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BigEastPhil

Heisman
Nov 25, 2007
19,135
13,320
66
Per Zags: Foreman has been contacted by Cincy; Creighton; Iona and several low majors.

Has a trip scheduled to Iona.....

Maybe Cluess had a discussion with Foreman during his interview at RU...:)
 
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Knights 1212

All-American
Sep 9, 2003
27,550
8,485
113
I immediately stated after Foreman said he was transferring that I thought he might wind up at Iona. It seems as if Iona gets several transfers every year.
 
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Mr. Magoo1

Heisman
Nov 15, 2001
15,451
16,283
113
Can't understand why a team like Cincy would want him. I would think he would drive a real coach like Cronin nuts...but then again, he's never been coached at the college level and maybe Cronin sees something in him.
I think the MAAC would be a perfect fit.
 
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ejgonz

All-Conference
Feb 2, 2003
3,132
2,394
112
Mr Magoo said:
Can't understand why a team like Cincy would want him. I would think he would drive a real coach like Cronin nuts...but then again, he's never been coached at the college level and maybe Cronin sees something in him.
I think the MAAC would be a perfect fit.
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Because he was an 8/6 player as a soph in the B1G? He has shortcomings for sure but I think he could be a solid player on a decent high major team as a jr/sr. Kids can improve...at other schools...
 
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RUPartisan

All-American
Dec 31, 2007
9,402
5,580
113
Mr Magoo said:
Can't understand why a team like Cincy would want him. I would think he would drive a real coach like Cronin nuts...but then again, he's never been coached at the college level and maybe Cronin sees something in him.
I think the MAAC would be a perfect fit.
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Don't you ever find it curious that whenever a fairly highly rated top 150 recruit comes here they underperform? Hmm I guess the common denominator can't be bad coaching.
 
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SirScarlet

Heisman
Jun 27, 2001
27,250
44,315
113
RUPartisan said:
Don't you ever find it curious that whenever a fairly highly rated top 150 recruit comes here they underperform? Hmm I guess the common denominator can't be bad coaching.
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Not sure I follow this. ..we have had bad coaches here so why can't it be the common demominator?
 
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RUJMM78

Heisman
Jul 25, 2001
26,195
12,455
113
knights1212 said:
I immediately stated after Foreman said he was transferring that I thought he might wind up at Iona. It seems as if Iona gets several transfers every year.
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Iona has been successful reloading with transfers because of academic standards for admission while at Rutgers its far more difficult.
 
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Knights 1212

All-American
Sep 9, 2003
27,550
8,485
113
He definitely improved on ft's. As a frosh he was 28% for much of the season and over the last 10 games went one stretch of I think 13-14 and wound up almost 50%. This past season he shot almost 60%. I still think he had upside and I think schools like Cincinnati and Creighton notice it too. He got 6 rebounds a game and just played a little over 20 minutes a game. He was one guy who took the ball hard to the basket. I feel bad that he is leaving but I wish him luck going forward.
 
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RUJMM78

Heisman
Jul 25, 2001
26,195
12,455
113
knights1212 said:
He definitely improved on ft's. As a frosh he was 28% for much of the season and over the last 10 games went one stretch of I think 13-14 and wound up almost 50%. This past season he shot almost 60%. I still think he had upside and I think schools like Cincinnati and Creighton notice it too. He got 6 rebounds a game and just played a little over 20 minutes a game. He was one guy who took the ball hard to the basket. I feel bad that he is leaving but I wish him luck going forward.
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A mid level player wishing to transfer just shows how low the perception of the program is shared by players.Foreman will have to sit out a year with no guarantee of increased playing time.Lets face facts Rutgers front court isn't stocked with outstanding talent especially at the forward positions.
 
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OntheBanks

All-Conference
Jul 26, 2001
13,186
4,534
113
He did take the ball hard to the basket but often too hard where the ball would crash off the board
or rim. Or he'd be stripped driving or going up for the shot. He did improve this year though not enough.
 
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ScarletLongIsland_rivals

All-Conference
Sep 1, 2015
2,258
3,033
66
RUPartisan said:
Don't you ever find it curious that whenever a fairly highly rated top 150 recruit comes here they underperform? Hmm I guess the common denominator can't be bad coaching.
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I'll hold off on judging any "improvement" until I actually see him perform well. His problem is his foul shooting. A low post player needs to hit his foul shots to be effective.
 
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MadRU

Heisman
Jul 26, 2001
38,162
19,491
98
I said before, that I was thinking that DJ was the one player that could benefit the most from the new coaching staff. DJ plays too fast and also played smaller then he is, bringing the ball down low when driving.

Guess he will get benefits from another staff, just not our new staff.
 
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80RU

All-American
Jan 31, 2011
6,591
5,275
113
knights1212 said:
He definitely improved on ft's. As a frosh he was 28% for much of the season and over the last 10 games went one stretch of I think 13-14 and wound up almost 50%. This past season he shot almost 60%. I still think he had upside and I think schools like Cincinnati and Creighton notice it too. He got 6 rebounds a game and just played a little over 20 minutes a game. He was one guy who took the ball hard to the basket. I feel bad that he is leaving but I wish him luck going forward.
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I am with you on this. People complain about how many layups he missed. However, he must've created a lot of layups for himself to miss so many and still be at 48% shooter. I still cannot get over people that claim to have seen the games but do not aknowledge how much he improved as a free-throw shooter. The folks who are so unobservant should ask themselves if they are any better at gauging his improvement in areas that are less easy to quantify. I also feel bad that he is leaving.
 
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jellyman_rivals307848

All-Conference
Jul 25, 2001
15,252
2,926
0
Foreman improved a lot this past season. Anyone who states otherwise has no credibility. He was more aggressive offensively. He was stronger, physically. His free throw shooting was certainly improved, especially in the 2nd half of the season.

That said, his ability to finish around the basket was not very good. He turned the ball over WAY too much - part of playing "too fast" and out of control. And his defense was ... awful. Even on a poor defensive team, his lack of ability to defend on the ball, in the post, or to adequately play help defense stood out dramatically.

He will be missed, and he would have had a chance to improve more, and contribute. On the other hand, it is not like there are not players available either for 2017 or beyond that cannot duplicate or exceed what he could provide.
 
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ru_kidding_me2

Sophomore
Apr 17, 2010
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80RU said:
I am with you on this. People complain about how many layups he missed. However, he must've created a lot of layups for himself to miss so many and still be at 48% shooter. I still cannot get over people that claim to have seen the games but do not aknowledge how much he improved as a free-throw shooter. The folks who are so unobservant should ask themselves if they are any better at gauging his improvement in areas that are less easy to quantify. I also feel bad that he is leaving.
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I think the reason most are not acknowledging the FT improvement is because most consider an under 60% FT percentage as bad. If he improved to 80% or higher then people will probably take notice. Until he improved to a respectable number, few would have any confidence with him at the line and associate him positively with FT's
 
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TDIrish27

All-Conference
Aug 2, 2001
4,438
2,666
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This is a kid who I wish would have stuck around.

Reason 1 being he was a strong kid who played with effort and IMO had a chance to get better on the offensive end with a bit of work.

Reason 2 Because I don't see RU getting better than him for the next year or two.

I hope this doesn't turn out to be one of those kids we watch playing in the NCAA's and moaning about 2-3 years from now.
 
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Greene Rice FIG

Heisman
Dec 30, 2005
40,437
23,613
0
jellyman said:
Foreman improved a lot this past season. Anyone who states otherwise has no credibility. He was more aggressive offensively. He was stronger, physically. His free throw shooting was certainly improved, especially in the 2nd half of the season.

That said, his ability to finish around the basket was not very good. He turned the ball over WAY too much - part of playing "too fast" and out of control. And his defense was ... awful. Even on a poor defensive team, his lack of ability to defend on the ball, in the post, or to adequately play help defense stood out dramatically.

He will be missed, and he would have had a chance to improve more, and contribute. On the other hand, it is not like there are not players available either for 2017 or beyond that cannot duplicate or exceed what he could provide.
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I agree, but he must have been pretty bad as a freshman reading paragraph 1 and 2. :smiley:

After his freshman season I still wasn't able to conclude if he was a player that can help us win and after this year I still am not sure. He is incredibly quick with the ball in his hands and does some things that others can't do. Not to kill the coaching staff too much, but his game just isn't refined....and i don't know if it is refinable. The lack of lateral quickness may doom him. In a strange way he reminds me of Mike Coburn. Mike Coburn was incredibly quick with the ball in his hands going forward, but was really inept staying in front of his man on D.
 
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ru_kidding_me2

Sophomore
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TDIrish27 said:
This is a kid who I wish would have stuck around.

Reason 1 being he was a strong kid who played with effort and IMO had a chance to get better on the offensive end with a bit of work.

Reason 2 Because I don't see RU getting better than him for the next year or two.

I hope this doesn't turn out to be one of those kids we watch playing in the NCAA's and moaning about 2-3 years from now.
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Regarding moaning If Foreman were to play in the NCAA tournament:
Why not just be happy for him getting the opportunity?
He only gets 4 years to play college and he decided to spend two of those at Rutgers. If being a part of the NCAA tournament before his college career ends is important to him, then I hope he chooses the right school and it works out for him.
Based on Rutgers' lack of facilities, lack of any recent success and negative stigma attached to the school it is pretty safe to say that most basketball players comitting to the school are doing so for other reasons like personal relationships with the coaches. Therefore it should be of no surprise when they decide to move on when the only think drawing them here is taken away.
No reason to wish ill upon them. Instead maybe try focusing your anger and disappointment at the school where it belongs for creating a basketball culture that no one wants to be a part of.
 
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MADHAT1

Heisman
Apr 1, 2003
31,412
16,250
113
TDIrish27 said:
This is a kid who I wish would have stuck around.

Reason 1 being he was a strong kid who played with effort and IMO had a chance to get better on the offensive end with a bit of work.

Reason 2 Because I don't see RU getting better than him for the next year or two.

I hope this doesn't turn out to be one of those kids we watch playing in the NCAA's and moaning about 2-3 years from now.
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Moaning will be only if he transfers to a top program and is one of the reasons ( starter or 6th man) they make the Big Dance. Then moaning his loss should be expected.
Also if he goes to a so called lesser program and excels there, leading that program to the NCAA Tourney. That would prove DJ was a big loss and moaning about it expected.

But if he's just a member of a program that makes the tourney and hasn't been a major factor there, wishing him well and being glad for him shouldn't be considered moaning that he made the tourney with the program he transferred to.
 
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seels2662

Heisman
Aug 16, 2005
24,405
16,935
113
RUPartisan said:
Don't you ever find it curious that whenever a fairly highly rated top 150 recruit comes here they underperform? Hmm I guess the common denominator can't be bad coaching.
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It can't be that. Its that it was just coincidence that our last 15 top 150 kids didn't work out, it can't be the coaches. Granted picking 15 overrated kids in a row of that magnitude has never happen at any school in any sport in the history of time, but hey its just coincidence.
 
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higgins3

All-Conference
Dec 15, 2012
7,319
2,434
113
ejgonz said:
Because he was an 8/6 player as a soph in the B1G? He has shortcomings for sure but I think he could be a solid player on a decent high major team as a jr/sr. Kids can improve...at other schools...
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Just being honest, it is hard to know what our players true stats are. Majority of the time we were going against backups this season.I hate to say it, but it is the truth. Against starters in the big ten, foreman is probably more like a 6 and 3/4 player. Still not horrible. I saw some potential budding, but Pikiell will do the right thing.
 
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RutgHoops

Heisman
Aug 14, 2008
9,239
12,411
102
Greene Rice FIG said:
I agree, but he must have been pretty bad as a freshman reading paragraph 1 and 2. :smiley:

....The lack of lateral quickness may doom him. In a strange way he reminds me of Mike Coburn. Mike Coburn was incredibly quick with the ball in his hands going forward, but was really inept staying in front of his man on D.
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Good thought. Coburn had a good Senior year. Foreman is the kind of player who could have solid year(s) as an upperclassman. Or not. The "upside" is likely why solid programs are looking at him.
 
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Mr_Twister

All-American
Apr 1, 2004
15,684
5,819
0
Think Pikiell will consult with John Beilein on transfer restrictions for Rutgers players? Maybe no transfers to Rhode Island and George Washington?
 
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RUPartisan

All-American
Dec 31, 2007
9,402
5,580
113
ruman said:
Who cares
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It's a topic people want to discuss. Do you walk around interrupting people's conversations that you have no interest in to say "who cares". It's an issue that has ailed our program for at least a decade where a new coach is brought in every 3 seasons there is multiple transfers, new coach has trouble filling out a roster and retaining upperclassmen, has to recruit lesser talent or worse leave empty spots, then the team inevitably stinks as a result of many factors including this. Finally after 3 years of sucking people want the coach fired. But you're right who cares it doesn't seem like history is repeating itself or anything.
 
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RU-Choppin-Ohio

Heisman
Jul 31, 2011
32,978
37,755
113
RutgHoops said:
The people who should care are the ones who will be screaming for Pikiel's head in Year 3 as they believe regardless of what he inherits that by the time his 2nd class hits the floor as frosh we should be (at least) good.
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OR, just wait until, as he has already stated, "recruit kids with upside". People will start looking at offer lists and start screaming, "where's the top 100 -150 recruits?"
 
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