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Stopping Hot Shooters

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NiTeKnight

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Isn't there anyway that the Rutgers defense can stop a hot shooter?
Deny them the ball? Put Jalen Miller on him. These red hot shooters are killing RU!
Can't McConnell stop them.
I thought RU was supposed to have a good defense.
 
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fluoxetine

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A hot shooter is barely a thing, so dicking around with your defensive gameplan to try to specifically stop some guy who's made 6 in a row is not really a good idea.

That said, if a guy is going to launch stepbacks, transition threes, very long threes and make them, no, there isn't really any way to stop him. It's sort of like asking why don't they just stop Steph from scoring?
 
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RUKiid

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Purdue was thinking the same thing when RHJ beat them.....can't stop a great shooter every night....we need more offense
 
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Scarlet Shack

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Disagree ...see my post

The way you prevent someone or a team from getting hot is not letting them get off lots of threes

Michigan , Nebraska , At penn state ...all shot 18 three and under

Last four games ...all got 24-27 attempts off

And we were fortunate that we didn’t lose all four games ...
 
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bitnez

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Despite the fact we’ve been burned two games in a row by players that have gone off we’ve actually been pretty good on the defensive end. We’re not giving up 70+ points per game. Our opponents have gone through extended stretches in both games when they didn’t score. Our issue is on the offensive side. We simply can’t score.
 
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RUChoppin

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Scangg said:
You can't possibly believe this. If you do, you must have never played basketball.

How do you even watch basketball and think this? Lol
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Because he's not looking at the definition of "hot shooter" the same as you. You are seeing a guy who "has been hot", and he's saying that just because a guy "has been hot" it doesn't mean he'll "continue to be hot".

If a guy has gone 4/4 from the arc to start the game, he's been hot... if he goes 0/4 the rest of the game, you can still look back and say he was "hot" at 5/9. But he didn't "continue to be hot" after that 4/4 start.

Fluox is saying that just because a guy has shot over his average to a certain point in the game, it doesn't mean he's going to continue to shoot that well the rest of the game. Same goes in reverse, too, just because a guy is "cold" in the first half doesn't mean he won't light it up in the second.

My argument is why we aren't doing a better job limiting shots from "good" shooters, let alone "hot" ones. Ayala's been shooting .371 this year and is their best shooter.... you have to live with Russell taking 3s, imo, and can't let Ayala get up 9 attempts (2 over his average).
 
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ScarletLongIsland said:
2 games in a row that there was a “hot shooter” against us…time to blame the defense
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We had hands in face on almost every shot and last game how many where last second shot clock chucks? What additional would you do?

We just need a bit more offense consistently. 5-6 extra ppg would have won us 5 or 6 more games.
 
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RUChoppin

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rubjk said:
We had hands in face on almost every shot and last game how many where last second shot clock chucks? What additional would you do?

We just need a bit more offense consistently. 5-6 extra ppg would have won us 5 or 6 more games.
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At the end of shot clocks, you want the ball in the hands of your best shooter, because he's likely going to have to get up a three with seconds waning. The defense needs to make sure that anyone else on the team gets that ball, and deny the pass to that best shooter.

3P defense is as much about denying the shooters the ball than it is getting good coverage out on them.

In this game, Ayala got 9 threes out of his team's 53 shots. Usually, he gets up 7 threes out of his team's 62 shots.... we let him get a lot of 3PA off in a slower-paced game.
 
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RUChoppin said:
At the end of shot clocks, you want the ball in the hands of your best shooter, because he's likely going to have to get up a three with seconds waning. The defense needs to make sure that anyone else on the team gets that ball, and deny the pass to that best shooter.

3P defense is as much about denying the shooters the ball than it is getting good coverage out on them.

In this game, Ayala got 9 threes out of his team's 53 shots. Usually, he gets up 7 threes out of his team's 62 shots.... we let him get a lot of 3PA off in a slower-paced game.
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Fatts runs their offense. Hard to keep it out of his hands.
 
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RUChoppin

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rubjk said:
Fatts runs their offense. Hard to keep it out of his hands.
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We actually did what the scouting report said to do on Fatts, which is keep him out of the paint and force him to shoot from outside.... it's just that he hit them. He's a career .285 3P shooter who was 14/51 (.274) coming into the game taking 2.7 3PA per game.

I'm less concerned that Russell was forced into 8 attempts than Ayala being allowed to take 9.

But the story of this game was us going polar vortex cold on offense for most of the first half.
 
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FrankZ_RU93

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Well in fairness, we had 2 "hot shooters" beat us the last two games. I'd feel worse about it if it was only one, but against Minnesota, we should have forced anybody but Willis to beat us and lived with the inexplicable Loewe torture.
 
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RUChoppin

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We haven't often been able to overcome a team getting hot from the outside.

In the 9 games our opponent has shot better than .333, we're 3-6.... and in the 10 games where our opponent has shot .333 or less, we're 8-2.
 
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