So whats different this time

[SnohomishRed]

Ok after everyone has consumed gallons of koolaide, what makes this coach different from the last four coaches who ended up getting fired?

For the record I think this time is different and here are my reasons

• Fan expectations are different at least in the short haul. This coach and this staff will get years to make this thing work, they can take time to build even if the results are not immediate. This continuity will pay huge dividends down the road
• We went from TO being on the cutting edge with an offense we built an identity around to several coaches who tried to force us to do whatever everyone else did. There was nothing about NU that stood out. I think with Frost that has changed
• Back to basics - how in the world did the last staff allow these players to get so weak. In the Big10 we have been simply out muscled and could not match the physical play. I thin starting this year we take a big step forward in this area
• The west - finally a division that will benefit us and not hurt us. We can be better than these teams. We have more tradition, recruit better and if these players are developed it will show. I am not sold on the Wi coach many times he seems incoherent, there is not way he will out recruit Frost. Ferentz is in the twilight of his career. He has never demonstrated he can bring in the talent needed to win a conference title. He is a good coach but their ceiling is so much lower than ours. Minnesota, NW will never be a consistent power. If we do what we should the West should be ours most years.

 

[Iliketrees]

Regarding Chryst, he has to do it on the field yes, but BTN gave the Badgers a glowing review yesterday. Not so fast on the Badger demise good sir

 

[ZJSARENOTFREE]

Regarding Chryst, he has to do it on the field yes, but BTN gave the Badgers a glowing review yesterday. Not so fast on the Badger demise good sir

BTN is primarily made up of washed up coaches that don't have any clue. They have given Nebraska glowing reviews as well and we have sucked. I'm not saying Wisco is going to be bad, but I wouldn't put too much stock in BTN.

 

[Iliketrees]

BTN is primarily made up of washed up coaches that don't have any clue. They have given Nebraska glowing reviews as well and we have sucked. I'm not saying Wisco is going to be bad, but I wouldn't put too much stock in BTN.

They're generally ok imo. They called UW the 2nd most talented team behind OSU in 2017 which was spot on, and said UW had a lot to fill on D in '18 and that others might be closing the gap, when other media had us as high as 4th.

They're not going to outright bash anyone so you have to listen for the negatives, and they didn't really have any (they did for Purdue on Weds, though). I plan on catching the entire West so I'll see what they say about you guys since it's so wide open.

 

[yort2000]

Scott Frost is a winner.

 

[Dadmaster]

Regarding Chryst, he has to do it on the field yes, but BTN gave the Badgers a glowing review yesterday. Not so fast on the Badger demise good sir

Glowing review or not (just what the hell does that mean in football anyway?)... I smell something here......smells like rotten cheese.

 

[SkerInCo]

Regarding Chryst, he has to do it on the field yes, but BTN gave the Badgers a glowing review yesterday. Not so fast on the Badger demise good sir

Oh, you again?

 

[Pennsyhusker_rivals246774]

Nothing is different. Frost has a seven year contract and I suspect he will make it to year seven. Both Solich and Pelini got seven years. Cally and Guy Smiley got less time because there was no reservoir of good will toward them from the start. Both hires were head scratchers that generated no enthusiasm in the fan base. Solich survived on the Osborne legacy and because he never had a losing season. Pelini had enormous support from the fan base at the start and never won fewer than 9 games.

Frost has enormous support from the fans. I think he has a winning season this year and in years to come. But as with Solich and Pelini, he will face pressure if he never wins a B1G title in 7 years and fields consistent 9-4 ho-hum teams.

The difference, if there is one, is that Frost and staff seem to be better recruiters than Solich and Pelini. This year’s class, so far, is very average, so we will see if he can sustain his early recruiting momentum.

I love Frost. Glad he is our coach. But I felt the same about Solich and Pelini early on too. So for me, nothing is different. If coach Frost does not produce a championship caliber team he too will face criticism.

 

[Ewooc]

Ok after everyone has consumed gallons of koolaide, what makes this coach different from the last four coaches who ended up getting fired?

For the record I think this time is different and here are my reasons

• Fan expectations are different at least in the short haul. This coach and this staff will get years to make this thing work, they can take time to build even if the results are not immediate. This continuity will pay huge dividends down the road
• We went from TO being on the cutting edge with an offense we built an identity around to several coaches who tried to force us to do whatever everyone else did. There was nothing about NU that stood out. I think with Frost that has changed
• Back to basics - how in the world did the last staff allow these players to get so weak. In the Big10 we have been simply out muscled and could not match the physical play. I thin starting this year we take a big step forward in this area
• The west - finally a division that will benefit us and not hurt us. We can be better than these teams. We have more tradition, recruit better and if these players are developed it will show. I am not sold on the Wi coach many times he seems incoherent, there is not way he will out recruit Frost. Ferentz is in the twilight of his career. He has never demonstrated he can bring in the talent needed to win a conference title. He is a good coach but their ceiling is so much lower than ours. Minnesota, NW will never be a consistent power. If we do what we should the West should be ours most years.

My Opinion:

Solich- Im not sure what exactly happened there. Being in TOs system for so long. He really should have been able to jump in and keep thing chugging away as normal. So someone more knowledgeable than me can chime in on what happened there.

Cally- Easy, he came in with a wrecking ball and destroy anything and everything having to do with past Nebraska football. Everything that had worked he destroyed. He wanted to create his how legacy and start a new. I get it, just won't work here.

BoBo- I think he proved to be an average to slightly above average coach. I think his main thing was he created an us vs the world mentality in his teams and that wont keep you employed long in Nebraska. Plus he was a lazy recruiter and it show towards the end of his career here.

Riley- Haha, I think he had the west coast type attitude of relaxed, laid back, do what you want. I think he came here looking for a quick payday and just half assed it, that mentality translated to his players, coaches and team. Don't get me wrong, I think he wanted to find success here too. I just think he thought it would be much easier to do it there than Oregon St.

Frost- He was around during the Nebraska glory days. He knows what worked. He know what made Nebraska, Nebraska. He is also young enough to know times have changed and you have to adjust a bit and adapt, which he is. He has a proven record of success pretty well everywhere he has been. My biggest concern is recruiting, can Frost or really any coach consistently recruit top 10 classes to Nebraska. If he can, we can return to greatness. If he can't, it could be tough for any coach to do it. There are no guarantees in life, but I am very very confident this will be different.

 

[SkerInCo]

Nothing is different. Frost has a seven year contract and I suspect he will make it to year seven. Both Solich and Pelini got seven years. Cally and Guy Smiley got less time because there was no reservoir of good will toward them from the start. Both hires were head scratchers that generated no enthusiasm in the fan base. Solich survived on the Osborne legacy and because he never had a losing season. Pelini had enormous support from the fan base at the start and never won fewer than 9 games.

Frost has enormous support from the fans. I think he has a winning season this year and in years to come. But as with Solich and Pelini, he will face pressure if he never wins a B1G title in 7 years and fields consistent 9-4 ho-hum teams.

The difference, if there is one, is that Frost and staff seem to be better recruiters than Solich and Pelini. This year’s class, so far, is very average, so we will see if he can sustain his early recruiting momentum.

I love Frost. Glad he is our coach. But I felt the same about Solich and Pelini early on too. So for me, nothing is different. If coach Frost does not produce a championship caliber team he too will face criticism.

I bet Frost will survive as many 9-4 seasons he wants.

 

[John_J_Rambo]

Nothing is different. Frost has a seven year contract and I suspect he will make it to year seven. Both Solich and Pelini got seven years. Cally and Guy Smiley got less time because there was no reservoir of good will toward them from the start. Both hires were head scratchers that generated no enthusiasm in the fan base. Solich survived on the Osborne legacy and because he never had a losing season. Pelini had enormous support from the fan base at the start and never won fewer than 9 games.

Frost has enormous support from the fans. I think he has a winning season this year and in years to come. But as with Solich and Pelini, he will face pressure if he never wins a B1G title in 7 years and fields consistent 9-4 ho-hum teams.

The difference, if there is one, is that Frost and staff seem to be better recruiters than Solich and Pelini. This year’s class, so far, is very average, so we will see if he can sustain his early recruiting momentum.

I love Frost. Glad he is our coach. But I felt the same about Solich and Pelini early on too. So for me, nothing is different. If coach Frost does not produce a championship caliber team he too will face criticism.

umm, all due respect, but there is one major difference:

he's one of our own. a Nebraska kid with Big Red in his DNA. he's done it here as a player, he's mentored by the best to ever do it, and he knows the Nebraska way.

you can argue that doesn't matter, just like with the walk ons, but we Nebraskans know it's meaningfully different. Coach Frost will pour every fiber of his being into bringing us back. this is his dream job, and he is our dream predecessor to TO. he is the prodigal son.

those others cared superficially at best, knew nothing of what Nebraska Football means to our state, our identity, every town in every corner from panhandle to Missouri river. kids will once again wear red, communities will once again rally around the Cornhuskers, and we as a collective will once again have a product to be proud to call our own.

 

[goldencohusker]

Fan expectations may not be much different at this point in Frost's tenure, but if he is not successful in righting the ship, I think we will see a seismic shift in expectations moving forward. There have been doubts/warts in some manner surrounding all the coaches that succeeded Osborne. Frost is different, and if he is not successful in NU, I have a hard time seeing how that won't change how even long-time, hard core fans view the program and its long-term prospects.

 

[inWV]

The difference, if there is one, is that Frost and staff seem to be better recruiters than Solich and Pelini. This year’s class, so far, is very average, so we will see if he can sustain his early recruiting momentum.

Recruiting yes. Not only is this staff better, but they embrace the challenge of recruiting with a smile, as opposed to a frown. QB recruiting is already much better.
In addition
Mario Verduzco
Running a spread system with a coach who is a master of that scheme.
Solich's offense had devolved to featuring Jamal Lord in the run game. The RB room was pretty thin by the time Bo was canned. Frost has a better RB stable than both Pelini and Solich at the end of their tenures in only his second year.
Jury still out on Chin, but Pelini's D wasn't a fit for the B1G and his lazy recruiting opened holes on the defensive two-deep. Melvin Gordon is still running.

 

[Truehuskerfan]

Nothing is different. Frost has a seven year contract and I suspect he will make it to year seven. Both Solich and Pelini got seven years. Cally and Guy Smiley got less time because there was no reservoir of good will toward them from the start. Both hires were head scratchers that generated no enthusiasm in the fan base. Solich survived on the Osborne legacy and because he never had a losing season. Pelini had enormous support from the fan base at the start and never won fewer than 9 games.

Frost has enormous support from the fans. I think he has a winning season this year and in years to come. But as with Solich and Pelini, he will face pressure if he never wins a B1G title in 7 years and fields consistent 9-4 ho-hum teams.

The difference, if there is one, is that Frost and staff seem to be better recruiters than Solich and Pelini. This year’s class, so far, is very average, so we will see if he can sustain his early recruiting momentum.

I love Frost. Glad he is our coach. But I felt the same about Solich and Pelini early on too. So for me, nothing is different. If coach Frost does not produce a championship caliber team he too will face criticism.

The difference I think is that most of us really believe that Frost will succeed where others have failed. Sure, most of us were positive about some of the last several coaches, but I'm not sure how much we really believed they were going to be championship-level coaches.

I and some others spent a lot of time defending Mike Riley to the point that we were labeled Riley apologists-as if we were huge Riley fans who were just giddy over his hiring(I doubt that was really true of anyone). But the truth is, at least for me(and probably for others as well) is it was out of a sense of fairness, as in he needs to be given a fair chance. He was given a fair chance and failed miserably. I can't say at any point while I defended Riley that I really believed he was going to be a championship-level coach. I thought he could do a better job than he did, but I wasn't thinking "this is the coach that is going to lead us to the promised land".

I brought up Riley first because he was the toughest of the last 4 coaches to defend and feel optimistic about. I spent my share of time defending Callahan too-again, more out of a sense of him needing to be given a fair chance then really believing he was going to be a great coach. I can say maybe I had myself believing briefly that he could lead us to championships when I saw how good his first full recruiting class was, but I'm not sure I could say I really believed it deep down. I defended Pelini a lot too until his final season, but again I can't say I really believed he was going to lead us to championships-maybe briefly after the end of the 2009 season at the Holiday Bowl when he made his "Nebraska is back and we're here to stay" comment, but I could see the next season that was probably just a dream. The only one of the last 4 coaches I could really say I believed that would lead us to championship-level success was Solich, and that was early in his tenure when we were just coming off of 3 championships in 4 years and I had little reason to believe that kind of success wouldn't continue.

But Frost is different. I have a faith in him that I never had with the last 4. I can say he will lead us to championships sometime, and really believe it. He just seems to be on a different level than any of those 4. He projects a level of confidence that the others didn't. He has experienced actual championship-level success as a college coach, unlike any of those 4. Unlike any of those 4, he was also a genuinely hot prospect who just about any other school would have taken if they had a chance. So there is something very different to me about Frost, and it's not just the level of support he has from fans. He really seems like a real championship-level coach, and not one you have to strain to see it.

 

[Pennsyhusker_rivals246774]

umm, all due respect, but there is one major difference:

he's one of our own. a Nebraska kid with Big Red in his DNA. he's done it here as a player, he's mentored by the best to ever do it, and he knows the Nebraska way.

you can argue that doesn't matter, just like with the walk ons, but we Nebraskans know it's meaningfully different. Coach Frost will pour every fiber of his being into bringing us back. this is his dream job, and he is our dream predecessor to TO. he is the prodigal son.

those others cared superficially at best, knew nothing of what Nebraska Football means to our state, our identity, every town in every corner from panhandle to Missouri river. kids will once again wear red, communities will once again rally around the Cornhuskers, and we as a collective will once again have a product to be proud to call our own.

Don’t disagree about Frost’s upside. As I said I love him as our coach. I am making a simple point. Winning championships is what matters. And if he does not do that then homegrown hero or not, he will face increasing criticism.

 

[Pennsyhusker_rivals246774]

The difference I think is that most of us really believe that Frost will succeed where others have failed. Sure, most of us were positive about some of the last several coaches, but I'm not sure how much we really believed they were going to be championship-level coaches.

I and some others spent a lot of time defending Mike Riley to the point that we were labeled Riley apologists-as if we were huge Riley fans who were just giddy over his hiring(I doubt that was really true of anyone). But the truth is, at least for me(and probably for others as well) is it was out of a sense of fairness, as in he needs to be given a fair chance. He was given a fair chance and failed miserably. I can't say at any point while I defended Riley that I really believed he was going to be a championship-level coach. I thought he could do a better job than he did, but I wasn't thinking "this is the coach that is going to lead us to the promised land".

I brought up Riley first because he was the toughest of the last 4 coaches to defend and feel optimistic about. I spent my share of time defending Callahan too-again, more out of a sense of him needing to be given a fair chance then really believing he was going to be a great coach. I can say maybe I had myself believing briefly that he could lead us to championships when I saw how good his first full recruiting class was, but I'm not sure I could say I really believed it deep down. I defended Pelini a lot too until his final season, but again I can't say I really believed he was going to lead us to championships-maybe briefly after the end of the 2009 season at the Holiday Bowl when he made his "Nebraska is back and we're here to stay" comment, but I could see the next season that was probably just a dream. The only one of the last 4 coaches I could really say I believed that would lead us to championship-level success was Solich, and that was early in his tenure when we were just coming off of 3 championships in 4 years and I had little reason to believe that kind of success wouldn't continue.

But Frost is different. I have a faith in him that I never had with the last 4. I can say he will lead us to championships sometime, and really believe it. He just seems to be on a different level than any of those 4. He projects a level of confidence that the others didn't. He has experienced actual championship-level success as a college coach, unlike any of those 4. Unlike any of those 4, he was also a genuinely hot prospect who just about any other school would have taken if they had a chance. So there is something very different to me about Frost, and it's not just the level of support he has from fans. He really seems like a real championship-level coach, and not one you have to strain to see it.

Once again, I am not saying Frost won’t succeed here. I think he will. But what if he doesn’t? What if his teams never end up winning the B1G? What if, after 7 years, we are just a second tier bowl team every year and do not even consistently win the West? My point is that nothing is different in regards to what our expectations are and that there will be tough criticism of Frost if he does not get us over the hump.

 

[Sodakred]

Still a Frostaide drinker but admit I didn't see another 4-8 last year either. Yeah, we were much better the second half of the season, but 0-6 was pretty surprising.

 

[ZJSARENOTFREE]

They're generally ok imo. They called UW the 2nd most talented team behind OSU in 2017 which was spot on, and said UW had a lot to fill on D in '18 and that others might be closing the gap, when other media had us as high as 4th.

They're not going to outright bash anyone so you have to listen for the negatives, and they didn't really have any (they did for Purdue on Weds, though). I plan on catching the entire West so I'll see what they say about you guys since it's so wide open.

There are a few yes... When Glen Mason talks I want to gouge my eyes out. Dinardo is entertaining, but is clueless. The programming is decent, but I don't really listen to their predictions or judgement on teams because there is a lot that hasn't been close.

 

[Truehuskerfan]

Once again, I am not saying Frost won’t succeed here. I think he will. But what if he doesn’t? What if his teams never end up winning the B1G? What if, after 7 years, we are just a second tier bowl team every year and do not even consistently win the West? My point is that nothing is different in regards to what our expectations are and that there will be tough criticism of Frost if he does not get us over the hump.

I'd rather face those questions when and if they happen, and I don't think they will.

 

[oldjar07]

Nothing is different. Frost has a seven year contract and I suspect he will make it to year seven. Both Solich and Pelini got seven years. Cally and Guy Smiley got less time because there was no reservoir of good will toward them from the start. Both hires were head scratchers that generated no enthusiasm in the fan base. Solich survived on the Osborne legacy and because he never had a losing season. Pelini had enormous support from the fan base at the start and never won fewer than 9 games.

Frost has enormous support from the fans. I think he has a winning season this year and in years to come. But as with Solich and Pelini, he will face pressure if he never wins a B1G title in 7 years and fields consistent 9-4 ho-hum teams.

The difference, if there is one, is that Frost and staff seem to be better recruiters than Solich and Pelini. This year’s class, so far, is very average, so we will see if he can sustain his early recruiting momentum.

I love Frost. Glad he is our coach. But I felt the same about Solich and Pelini early on too. So for me, nothing is different. If coach Frost does not produce a championship caliber team he too will face criticism.

Solich and Pelini got 7 years because they won a decent amount of games. Callahan and Riley got less time because they didn't win games. I don't think this will happen, but if Frost doesn't start winning games, he probably won't be here that long.

 

[Pennsyhusker_rivals246774]

Solich and Pelini got 7 years because they won a decent amount of games. Callahan and Riley got less time because they didn't win games. I don't think this will happen, but if Frost doesn't start winning games, he probably won't be here that long.

Exactly. It is all about winning. If Frost does not win, he won’t last, same as all the others. So nothing is different except our level of optimism right now and some pretty good indications that Frost “gets it” and WILL succeed. I am super confident he will.

But so far the verdict is still out. Frost won’t become a great coach until he becomes a great coach. Wishing it and hoping it won”t make it so. He has to go out and do it. And we can point at 35 reasons why “this time it’s different!”, but until it actually is different, it isn’t.

 

[jflores]

Once again, I am not saying Frost won’t succeed here. I think he will. But what if he doesn’t? What if his teams never end up winning the B1G? What if, after 7 years, we are just a second tier bowl team every year and do not even consistently win the West? My point is that nothing is different in regards to what our expectations are and that there will be tough criticism of Frost if he does not get us over the hump.

I'm with the poster that said Frost will survive as many nine win seasons as he can deliver.

Let's face it .... Frost is Nebraska football Jesus. He's the last link to the golden age. No one is throwing him overboard if he replicates Bo's successes and has a chance at bigger things eventually because the recruiting is better or the development is going well. Bo essentially won the big 12 missing an offense and a little ref interference.

I was just in a Husker Hounds store yesterday during a pounding rain storm and several little old ladies came in to buy new Husker flags for their house because their neighbors were putting up Wisconsin flags and so forth.

They couldn't stop going on about how they loved having Frost back and how he was a good culture fit and they didn't care that he only won four games last year and if keeps doing things the right way he'll win enough to keep support.

There's no coach that NU can go get to replace Frost for the mass of casual and semi casual fans that want the whole Nebraska way thing to live on. They certainly aren't going shopping for that guy if Frost is winning 3/4 of his games because they want an extra win or two.

Frost will die in North stadium if he wins 9 games

 

[CanuckChuck]

My Opinion:

Solich- Im not sure what exactly happened there. Being in TOs system for so long. He really should have been able to jump in and keep thing chugging away as normal. So someone more knowledgeable than me can chime in on what happened there.

He did keep it chugging along but then all the other coaches starting retiring and the new guys weren't as good. With Bo as DC I think he would have add another few 9+10 win seasons but by that time Pederson was already hellbent on doing it his way.

 

[HuskerOH_rivals315145]

Frost will have success because his offense is similar to Tom's in that it does not require superior athletes. This offense is the option offense and it is the QB's responsibility to get ball to the open player.If properly executed it can strike fast and put up mega points. For Frost to have complete success he must put athletes on the defense. Until Osborne put great athletes on defense he had good but not great results.

It will be an interesting couple of years watching how this team will morph into the mad scientists idea of how to build a perfect team.

 

[jflores]

He did keep it chugging along but then all the other coaches starting retiring and the new guys weren't as good. With Bo as DC I think he would have add another few 9+10 win seasons but by that time Pederson was already hellbent on doing it his way.

I don't think people have a real understanding of what it takes to operate at the highest levels. I mean yes TO more or less made a blueprint and solich more or less followed it. But the margins for error are so small that people that franchise blueprints often don't have the same successes.

There was never a playcaller on staff who was as gifted or experienced as Tom. The recruiting was never as good. Arguably the team/psych/personnel management wasn't as good as Tom was a pretty damn good papa bear.

All those things matter and no one has really replicates Tom's system since. Not even Bohl who has attempted to follow probably more closely than anyone but he's never really given a chance to do it at the real big boy level of CFB.

Which is why I'm super interested in watching Frost over the years as alot of the stuff he's implement from TO is more from a culture and running a program side of the house and alot of what he learned at Oregon is shading the scheme side of the house.

Where things have more or less collided evenly between the two schools is practice where's he's running Oregon pace with a more TO sized walk on roster and an emphasis on individual players being more physical.

 

[Clemke32]

I will say upfront that I apologize if I’m repeating anything someone else had said, I haven’t read all the replies yet.

There are two keys areas that I have seen that help make me hopeful that coach Frost will be different:

1st: proven record- or at least kinda proven record I know he only had what two years at UCF? But even in the two year span the winning record is more then we could have said about smilein Mike. Who was a career .500. It was also more then we could say about Pelini and Cally who had never had head college coach experience before ( maybe I should research that about Cally before I hit post, but oh well I’ll eat it if someone says other wise).

2nd: emphasis on leadership / accountability.
God I was listening to his speech at Offuit Air Force Base and just listening to him talk about leadership got me excited. I love how he holds himself to higher standards because his team is watching. I just flat out love his view on leadership and his attention to the little things.

3rd: His connections
To me this is very minor but it plays a big part in molding what kind of coach he is now, and that’s his mentors, and what he has learned from them. Look at the coaches he has crossed paths with either as a player, intern, assistant, or coordinator. He has a lot of coaches that have been extremely successful and he isn’t afraid to reach out to them and ask for guidance, and furthermore he isn’t afraid to follow their guidance.

I really think Coach Frost is the totally package, I don’t know if he will ever win the national championship here but I can tell you I believe he has the tools has a coach to do it.

 

[SkerInCo]

Once again, I am not saying Frost won’t succeed here. I think he will. But what if he doesn’t? What if his teams never end up winning the B1G? What if, after 7 years, we are just a second tier bowl team every year and do not even consistently win the West? My point is that nothing is different in regards to what our expectations are and that there will be tough criticism of Frost if he does not get us over the hump.

If Frost doesn't win here then no one will and it will be the death of the program as far as competing for championships go.

 

[jflores]

I've said it before and I'll say it again. Cally and Pelini are two of the more reviled coaches in Husker history but if Cally had hired Pelini as DC we would have been a hell of a team and would probably have our sixth title already.

Pelinis defense could be just ferocious if you provided him the players and Billy C could go and get the players. His offense wasn't too bad either.

We were one of the few teams in CFB that could score fifty and lose and Pelini could have changed that as DC

 

[Pennsyhusker_rivals246774]

I'm with the poster that said Frost will survive as many nine win seasons as he can deliver.

Let's face it .... Frost is Nebraska football Jesus. He's the last link to the golden age. No one is throwing him overboard if he replicates Bo's successes and has a chance at bigger things eventually because the recruiting is better or the development is going well. Bo essentially won the big 12 missing an offense and a little ref interference.

I was just in a Husker Hounds store yesterday during a pounding rain storm and several little old ladies came in to buy new Husker flags for their house because their neighbors were putting up Wisconsin flags and so forth.

They couldn't stop going on about how they loved having Frost back and how he was a good culture fit and they didn't care that he only won four games last year and if keeps doing things the right way he'll win enough to keep support.

There's no coach that NU can go get to replace Frost for the mass of casual and semi casual fans that want the whole Nebraska way thing to live on. They certainly aren't going shopping for that guy if Frost is winning 3/4 of his games because they want an extra win or two.

Frost will die in North stadium if he wins 9 games

Well said.

Not all 9 win seasons are created equal. Bo won 9 every year, but did so with smoke and mirrors. He also got blown out in big games a lot. It was clear things were not really going to be any different (or better) and there were indications things were trending downward. Contrast that to Osborne who also had many nine win seasons, but rarely got blown out and forged a unique identity of toughness that kept us coming back for more. I agree with you that if Frost averages nine wins and fields a tough team that competes hard and recruits well, that he will be here for the long haul.

But... if his nine win seasons are Pelniesque, I am nog sure I share your optimism

 

[Pennsyhusker_rivals246774]

If Frost doesn't win here then no one will and it will be the death of the program as far as competing for championships go.

I think a lot of people share this view. Which is another reason Frost will definitely be here for his full 7 years at least.

 

[Hastings4Huskers]

Well said.

Not all 9 win seasons are created equal. Bo won 9 every year, but did so with smoke and mirrors. He also got blown out in big games a lot. It was clear things were not really going to be any different (or better) and there were indications things were trending downward. Contrast that to Osborne who also had many nine win seasons, but rarely got blown out and forged a unique identity of toughness that kept us coming back for more. I agree with you that if Frost averages nine wins and fields a tough team that competes hard and recruits well, that he will be here for the long haul.

But... if his nine win seasons are Pelniesque, I am nog sure I share your optimism

Frost first season did not go as planned for sure. But down the stretch with close losses to Iowa and Ohio State coming in with such change in systems. IMO it was a pretty good indication that it won't be Peliniesuque. IMO those are the type of games Pelini would get boat raced in.

 

[Bremser_rivals74172]

Ok after everyone has consumed gallons of koolaide, what makes this coach different from the last four coaches who ended up getting fired?

For the record I think this time is different and here are my reasons

• Fan expectations are different at least in the short haul. This coach and this staff will get years to make this thing work, they can take time to build even if the results are not immediate. This continuity will pay huge dividends down the road
• We went from TO being on the cutting edge with an offense we built an identity around to several coaches who tried to force us to do whatever everyone else did. There was nothing about NU that stood out. I think with Frost that has changed
• Back to basics - how in the world did the last staff allow these players to get so weak. In the Big10 we have been simply out muscled and could not match the physical play. I thin starting this year we take a big step forward in this area
• The west - finally a division that will benefit us and not hurt us. We can be better than these teams. We have more tradition, recruit better and if these players are developed it will show. I am not sold on the Wi coach many times he seems incoherent, there is not way he will out recruit Frost. Ferentz is in the twilight of his career. He has never demonstrated he can bring in the talent needed to win a conference title. He is a good coach but their ceiling is so much lower than ours. Minnesota, NW will never be a consistent power. If we do what we should the West should be ours most years.

Culture.

THE main competitive edge in Frost’s model is that he builds a world-class teaming and performance culture. It is difficult to genuinely do at the level and intensity he does it. Very, very few do it well. It is his secret sauce.

Other teams can replicate our facilities, our strength and nutrition programs, our O and D schemes, our recruiting, etc. Only a select few can successfully build a superior culture like Frost can.

 

[jflores]

Well said.

Not all 9 win seasons are created equal. Bo won 9 every year, but did so with smoke and mirrors. He also got blown out in big games a lot. It was clear things were not really going to be any different (or better) and there were indications things were trending downward. Contrast that to Osborne who also had many nine win seasons, but rarely got blown out and forged a unique identity of toughness that kept us coming back for more. I agree with you that if Frost averages nine wins and fields a tough team that competes hard and recruits well, that he will be here for the long haul.

But... if his nine win seasons are Pelniesque, I am nog sure I share your optimism

I think fans have to get over the not being blown out thing. Stoops got blown out with some regularity at OU and OU was recruit way better and playing way better ball over that stretch than us

By the same token Ferentz almost never gets blown out and even had a streak for a season or two where they never lost by more than seven. And Iowa hasnt won crap

 

[Pennsyhusker_rivals246774]

I think fans have to get over the not being blown out thing. Stoops got blown out with some regularity at OU and OU was recruit way better and playing way better ball over that stretch than us

By the same token Ferentz almost never gets blown out and even had a streak for a season or two where they never lost by more than seven. And Iowa hasnt won crap

The difference is Stoops also WON a ton of big games and a ton of titles. Pelini, with very few exceptions, lost every big game that mattered and often got embarrassed in the process. I will “get over” watching Nebraska get blown out when I also watch Nebraska winning like Stoops did.

 

[Pennsyhusker_rivals246774]

Culture.

THE main competitive edge in Frost’s model is that he builds a world-class teaming and performance culture. It is difficult to genuinely do at the level and intensity he does it. Very, very few do it well. It is his secret sauce.

Other teams can replicate our facilities, our strength and nutrition programs, our O and D schemes, our recruiting, etc. Only a select few can successfully build a superior culture like Frost can.

Me like this. I agree

 

[Solana Beach Husker]

Nothing is different. Frost has a seven year contract and I suspect he will make it to year seven. Both Solich and Pelini got seven years. Cally and Guy Smiley got less time because there was no reservoir of good will toward them from the start. Both hires were head scratchers that generated no enthusiasm in the fan base. Solich survived on the Osborne legacy and because he never had a losing season. Pelini had enormous support from the fan base at the start and never won fewer than 9 games.

Frost has enormous support from the fans. I think he has a winning season this year and in years to come. But as with Solich and Pelini, he will face pressure if he never wins a B1G title in 7 years and fields consistent 9-4 ho-hum teams.

The difference, if there is one, is that Frost and staff seem to be better recruiters than Solich and Pelini. This year’s class, so far, is very average, so we will see if he can sustain his early recruiting momentum.

I love Frost. Glad he is our coach. But I felt the same about Solich and Pelini early on too. So for me, nothing is different. If coach Frost does not produce a championship caliber team he too will face criticism.

This class is very good coming from a team that has averaged 5.5 wins over the last 4 years. That is one of the more pathetic runs in the conference in recent memory, from any team. The Bo exit combined with the Riley hire are historically catastrophic occurrences. Frost is positioned to win this year with a dominant qb and experience at all defensive positions. If he does the class will fill out fine. Having this many top recruits with our pathetic recent history is actually mind-boggling.

 

[John_J_Rambo]

Don’t disagree about Frost’s upside. As I said I love him as our coach. I am making a simple point. Winning championships is what matters. And if he does not do that then homegrown hero or not, he will face increasing criticism.

I agree. And I truly believe if he can’t win here, nobody can.

 

[HuskerO58]

Exactly. It is all about winning. If Frost does not win, he won’t last, same as all the others. So nothing is different except our level of optimism right now and some pretty good indications that Frost “gets it” and WILL succeed. I am super confident he will.

But so far the verdict is still out. Frost won’t become a great coach until he becomes a great coach. Wishing it and hoping it won”t make it so. He has to go out and do it. And we can point at 35 reasons why “this time it’s different!”, but until it actually is different, it isn’t.

I mostly agree, but I also believe that if Pelini wasn't such an *** he'd still be coach at Nebraska IF continuing to win 9-10 games every season even with no championship of any kind.

IF Frost doesn't win anything beyond 9-10 games, doesn't lose more than 3-4 games every season AND isn't an *** then I think his job will be safe.

I honestly believe that if Frost doesn't get it done here (at a championship level) then consider Nebraska football dead.

Fortunately Frost will get it done so we'll be back on top!!

 

[Pennsyhusker_rivals246774]

This class is very good coming from a team that has averaged 5.5 wins over the last 4 years. That is one of the more pathetic runs in the conference in recent memory, from any team. The Bo exit combined with the Riley hire are historically catastrophic occurrences. Frost is positioned to win this year with a dominant qb and experience at all defensive positions. If he does the class will fill out fine. Having this many top recruits with our pathetic recent history is actually mind-boggling.

Yep. This year is important. We need to turn that corner. Then the recruits will come.

 

[jflores]

I mostly agree, but I also believe that if Pelini wasn't such an *** he'd still be coach at Nebraska while continuing to win 9-10 games every season with no championship of any kind.

IF Frost doesn't win anything beyond 9-10 games, doesn't lose more than 3-4 games every season AND isn't an *** then I think his job will be safe.

I honestly believe that if Frost doesn't get it done here (at a championship level) then consider Nebraska football dead.

Fortunately Frost will get it done so we'll be back on top!!

Agree Pelini would still be here.