Shot Clock Reset

[BigRnj]

Question about shot clock reset rules following an offensive rebound. With just under 3 mins left in yesterday’s RU vs MSU game RHJ‘s dunk attempt careened off the rim all the way into the back court. Rutgers recovered, making it an offensive rebound. The shot clock reset to 20 seconds (as it should following an offensive rebound) then ticked down to 19, but then it immediately reset to 30 seconds.

So the question is did we get an extra 12 seconds, or does the fact that the ball was recovered (technically rebounded) in the backcourt mean the 30 second shot clock was correct? Not sure if there is some quirky rule here about he ball being controlled in the backcourt or just a clock operator error. It certainly didn’t matter in this game, but it could hypothetically come into play late in a close game. Check it out if you watch a replay.

 

[Russ Wood]

The shot clock is to reset to 20 seconds after an attempted field goal hits the rim and the offensive team rebounds the ball in the front court. If the offensive team rebounds the ball in the back court the clock is to reset to 30 seconds.

This rule went into effect with the 2019-20 season.

 

[GoodOl'Rutgers]

good eye by the OP and nice trivia rule by Russ Wood

 

[BigRnj]

The shot clock is to reset to 20 seconds after an attempted field goal hits the rim and the offensive team rebounds the ball in the front court. If the offensive team rebounds the ball in the back court the clock is to reset to 30 seconds.

This rule went into effect with the 2019-20 season.

Thanks, I thought I knew the rules pretty well, but this is a new one. I haven’t worn a whistle in a good 10 years.

The rebounding in the back court thing is a rare occurrence, but for the extra 10 seconds late in a tight game it is technically possible on a long rebound scramble for a player to guide/tap the ball to a teammate in the backcourt. It wouldn’t be a backcourt violation since no possession was established and they pick up 10 more seconds.

 

[scarlet4life]

I noticed that during the game and was wondering about that.

 

[Colbert17!]

The shot clock is to reset to 20 seconds after an attempted field goal hits the rim and the offensive team rebounds the ball in the front court. If the offensive team rebounds the ball in the back court the clock is to reset to 30 seconds.

This rule went into effect with the 2019-20 season.

 

[Knights 1212]

I wondered the same thing when that happened. I also felt maybe that we recovered Ron's dunk attempt in the back court that the rule was different. I am glad Russ verified this.

 

[koleszar]

Question about shot clock reset rules following an offensive rebound. With just under 3 mins left in yesterday’s RU vs MSU game RHJ‘s dunk attempt careened off the rim all the way into the back court. Rutgers recovered, making it an offensive rebound. The shot clock reset to 20 seconds (as it should following an offensive rebound) then ticked down to 19, but then it immediately reset to 30 seconds.

So the question is did we get an extra 12 seconds, or does the fact that the ball was recovered (technically rebounded) in the backcourt mean the 30 second shot clock was correct? Not sure if there is some quirky rule here about he ball being controlled in the backcourt or just a clock operator error. It certainly didn’t matter in this game, but it could hypothetically come into play late in a close game. Check it out if you watch a replay.

The shot clock is to reset to 20 seconds after an attempted field goal hits the rim and the offensive team rebounds the ball in the front court. If the offensive team rebounds the ball in the back court the clock is to reset to 30 seconds.

This rule went into effect with the 2019-20 season.

Good catch @BigRnj and good explanation @Russ Wood , something I would have never known if you two didn't bring up the question and answer. I guess you really do learn something new everyday and here I thought this would be an off day, as I'm not moving my *** off the couch all day. And yes my wife has been informed of today's decision as I worked my *** off all week to make this once in a lifetime(well seems like it) opportunity happen.

 

[Usbcbowler]

Not sure if what I am going to say is correct, but if it is I don’t like the rule.
Example defensive player, on a pass kicks ball and it goes out of bounds with 6 seconds on the clock. I think clock resets to 20.
Question why is defense penalized for making a play. In my opinion even though it’s kicked out of bounds result is same as if ball was tipped out but on tip out there is no reset
Explanation appreciated

 

[Pils86]

I wondered about that too. If I can bring up another issue about rules, at the end of the half I think we scored with 36 seconds left. MSU took a little time to set up the inbound and three seconds were lost, leaving us less time when we were to get the ball back after their use of 30 seconds. I think they scored and left us with 3.1 seconds to run a play. Q1 - Could MSU have used their 5 seconds to inbound the pass, running time down below 30 seconds? Q2 - If you have a TO, do you use it immediately after scoring so there are about 36 seconds on the clock, giving you 6 seconds to have the last possession instead of 3. Q3 - Does the team that did not have the possession when the clock expires at the half get it to start the second half? If so, should we have never picked up the ball with 3.1 seconds left, thus never taking possession, and then get the ball to start the second half. Or does the second half possession come from the arrow?

 

[Russ Wood]

Not sure if what I am going to say is correct, but if it is I don’t like the rule.
Example defensive player, on a pass kicks ball and it goes out of bounds with 6 seconds on the clock. I think clock resets to 20.
Question why is defense penalized for making a play. In my opinion even though it’s kicked out of bounds result is same as if ball was tipped out but on tip out there is no reset
Explanation appreciated

By rule, a player shall not kick the ball or strike it with his fist. Kicking the ball or striking it with the leg is a violation.

If a defensive player commits a kick ball violation in the front court the offense retains possession of the ball for a throw-in in the frontcourt and the shot clock will be reset to 20 seconds or the time remaining, whichever is greater.

However, when there is a change of team possession in the backcourt and the ball remains live, the shot clock would reset to 30 seconds.

 

[Russ Wood]

I wondered about that too. If I can bring up another issue about rules, at the end of the half I think we scored with 36 seconds left. MSU took a little time to set up the inbound and three seconds were lost, leaving us less time when we were to get the ball back after their use of 30 seconds. I think they scored and left us with 3.1 seconds to run a play. Q1 - Could MSU have used their 5 seconds to inbound the pass, running time down below 30 seconds? Q2 - If you have a TO, do you use it immediately after scoring so there are about 36 seconds on the clock, giving you 6 seconds to have the last possession instead of 3. Q3 - Does the team that did not have the possession when the clock expires at the half get it to start the second half? If so, should we have never picked up the ball with 3.1 seconds left, thus never taking possession, and then get the ball to start the second half. Or does the second half possession come from the arrow?

Q1 - Could MSU have used their 5 seconds to inbound the pass, running time down below 30 seconds?
A1 - They sure could if they wanted to.

Q2 - If you have a TO, do you use it immediately after scoring so there are about 36 seconds on the clock, giving you 6 seconds to have the last possession instead of 3.
A1: Rutgers could have chosen this option but it was a six point game (26-20) and calling timeout would have left RU with just two timeouts for the rest of the game. I don't think many coaches would call a timeout with those conditions. If RU had not used any timeouts yet it would have been a great opportunity to call its use-it-or-lose it timeout immediately after scoring.

Q3 - Does the team that did not have the possession when the clock expires at the half get it to start the second half? If so, should we have never picked up the ball with 3.1 seconds left, thus never taking possession, and then get the ball to start the second half. Or does the second half possession come from the arrow?
A1: I'm not sure what the rule is on who gets the ball first to start the second half. In fact, I was thinking about this last night while watching a HS game.

However, in the Rutgers vs. Michigan State game, the Spartans shot an airball that resulted in a shot clock violation. That stops the game clock. Plus the ball bounced out of bounds anyway. So, there was an automatic change of possession on the game situation you described.

 

[scarlet4life]

I think the team that does NOT win the opening tip in the first half gets the ball to start the second half.

 

[LOU-RU85]

I think the team that does NOT win the opening tip in the first half gets the ball to start the second half.

I think this is right.

 

[Pils86]

Q1 - Could MSU have used their 5 seconds to inbound the pass, running time down below 30 seconds?
A1 - They sure could if they wanted to.

Q2 - If you have a TO, do you use it immediately after scoring so there are about 36 seconds on the clock, giving you 6 seconds to have the last possession instead of 3.
A1: Rutgers could have chosen this option but it was a six point game (26-20) and calling timeout would have left RU with just two timeouts for the rest of the game. I don't think many coaches would call a timeout with those conditions. If RU had not used any timeouts yet it would have been a great opportunity to call its use-it-or-lose it timeout immediately after scoring.

Q3 - Does the team that did not have the possession when the clock expires at the half get it to start the second half? If so, should we have never picked up the ball with 3.1 seconds left, thus never taking possession, and then get the ball to start the second half. Or does the second half possession come from the arrow?
A1: I'm not sure what the rule is on who gets the ball first to start the second half. In fact, I was thinking about this last night while watching a HS game.

However, in the Rutgers vs. Michigan State game, the Spartans shot an airball that resulted in a shot clock violation. That stops the game clock. Plus the ball bounced out of bounds anyway. So, there was an automatic change of possession on the game situation you described.

Thanks very much Russ.

 

[rutgersron]

I believe the second half tip goes to the team on the alternate possession clock. The alternate possession clock changes with each tie-up (jump ball).

 

[richthedentist]

I think the team that does NOT win the opening tip in the first half gets the ball to start the second half.

Not true if there is a tie up during the first half than the alternate possession will switch depending on how many jump balls occur during the half etc

 

[richthedentist]

I believe the second half tip goes to the team on the alternate possession clock. The alternate possession clock changes with each tie-up (jump ball).

Didn't see your post and answered the same thing

 

[ColonelRutgers]

Russ is the new “Ask Hal the Referee”.

 

[koleszar]

I think the team that does NOT win the opening tip in the first half gets the ball to start the second half.

That's what I originally thought.

I believe the second half tip goes to the team on the alternate possession clock. The alternate possession clock changes with each tie-up (jump ball).

Damn now that's two things I learned just sitting on the couch. I might never leave this damn thing. Alas tomorrows storm prep day here on the farm. So I've got to get my *** in gear early.

 

[ClassOf02v.2]

Whichever team has the possession arrow when the first half ends gets the ball to start the second half.

 

[PSAL_Hoops]

Right. Winning the initial jump ball really just means if there an uneven number of tie ups in the game, your team will end up with the extra one.

 

[GoodOl'Rutgers]

Not sure if what I am going to say is correct, but if it is I don’t like the rule.
Example defensive player, on a pass kicks ball and it goes out of bounds with 6 seconds on the clock. I think clock resets to 20.
Question why is defense penalized for making a play. In my opinion even though it’s kicked out of bounds result is same as if ball was tipped out but on tip out there is no reset
Explanation appreciated

because it is not kickball

 

[BigRnj]

Remember not THAT long ago all tie ups went to the jump ball circle (nearest foul line/key area or 1/2 court) for a tip with the involved players. If you notice on just about any hoops court the bottom half of the key circle (the 1/2 circle between the foul line and baseline) is not even there anymore.

PS - there can be more than one center court jump in a men’s CBB game. If following the opening tip there is a tie up before possession is established then there is no alternate possession in place, so they jump again. It would be interesting if they went old school on this and made the tied up parties jump and not the original big guys.

 

[gef21]

Question about shot clock reset rules following an offensive rebound. With just under 3 mins left in yesterday’s RU vs MSU game RHJ‘s dunk attempt careened off the rim all the way into the back court. Rutgers recovered, making it an offensive rebound. The shot clock reset to 20 seconds (as it should following an offensive rebound) then ticked down to 19, but then it immediately reset to 30 seconds.

So the question is did we get an extra 12 seconds, or does the fact that the ball was recovered (technically rebounded) in the backcourt mean the 30 second shot clock was correct? Not sure if there is some quirky rule here about he ball being controlled in the backcourt or just a clock operator error. It certainly didn’t matter in this game, but it could hypothetically come into play late in a close game. Check it out if you watch a replay.

Great question. I saw this too and wondered it also.