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St johns literally toyed with them. I sat behind the johnnies bench and they were laughing and no joke talking about girls in the stands most of the time. Theyre one of the most talented teams in america. Just have zero discipline and zero coaching
SHU is currently 3-7 vs Q1 and 8-1 vs Q2....those are very strong marks. however their next 3 are Nova, Marq and at Gtown....their prediction to lose them all..that would drop them to 16-14...that is the real danger for them....if they win one of those at home that would give them 4 Q1 wins and lock them in even at 17-13....if the win is Gtown that leaves them needed at least one BE tourney win
Still in the field for now but moving closer to the bubble. Thing is there are alot teams outside the bubble but most of them do not have serious resumes.
St John's is 6-5 vs Q1, they are a near lock, need one regular season win in the last 3 of De Paul and 2 games vs Xavier to make it academic
Still in the field for now but moving closer to the bubble. Thing is there are alot teams outside the bubble but most of them do not have serious resumes.
St John's is 6-5 vs Q1, they are a near lock, need one regular season win in the last 3 of De Paul and 2 games vs Xavier to make it academic
As a seton hall fan, I disagree completely. The consensus for a while has been if they get to 9-9, they *should* be in, especially if they knock off marquette at home (not happening with Nova).
They have to win 2/3 to end the season, which is just extremely unlikely. They have the big wins but they also had their opportunities vs. mediocre teams and they blew almost every single one.
I should mention, too, that this pessimism comes from their horrific NET ranking. They’re probably a top 50 team in the country but the NET just refuses to move them up. If the NCAA wants to rely on that, seton hall is not in good shape.
you cannot finish below ,500, or perhaps even at .500, in the Big East this year and make the tourney. it's very weak, after a down Nova and Marquette.
what a way to respond, down 26-5 to start the game.
what a way to respond, down 26-5 to start the game.
because there is so little competition in quality around the bubble. The wins over Kentucky and Maryland stack up well vs the likes of Temple, UCF, Clemson and San Fransisco who have beat no one...beat Marquette and you dance.
the selection committee does not even look at conference record, yes losing 13 or 14 will hurt overall but the sub 500 thing will not matter and likely a few schools will be sub 500 including Ohio State, Minnesota and some sec and acc schools
the selection committee does not even look at conference record, yes losing 13 or 14 will hurt overall but the sub 500 thing will not matter and likely a few schools will be sub 500 including Ohio State, Minnesota and some sec and acc schools
well its fluid because some of the Q2s like Providence and Gtown could fall out of the top 75 and they become Q3
people bitched about the rpi and the NCAA now has officially gone away from it. Personally i liked the rpi, the NCAA has not given out the exact formula for NET yet and I am sure it can use some tinkering..thats why schools like Indiana and Nebraska have decent NET despite their overall records and I think Nebbys rpi is about 50 spots worse than their NET....yes something is probably fishing with the NET
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The bubble is HORENDOUS this year. Nebraska and indiana people say are still on the bubble.
well not really..despite the great net rankings, they will not be getting in with those records, I think as of now they are done
note PSU is like 60 in the NET ahead of SHU
note PSU is like 60 in the NET ahead of SHU
SHU going into January looked like a Top 35 to 40 team. I think the Big East is really balanced once you get past Marquette and Nova.
I have had some people tell me off the record to watch a trend across major conferences with teams already in the NCAA'S, playing and tend to lose a lot more games in the final 2 weeks to teams on the bubble.
It almost props the respective league up and ultimately, in a strange way, helps the resume of that entire league. It would not shock me to see Seton Hall pick up a win vs Marquette or Nova....neither team has motivation to win, when the conference tournament is within a week or so and it would look better if the Big East had 4 teams get in, vs just 3 teams.
Just something to look at across all major conferences as a trend of sorts. If there's a bubble team with a chance for a Q1 win, that team usually plays much better than expected. In the B1G, Indiana almost won at Iowa, and Nebraska almost got Purdue.
Some games this week like Oklahoma at Iowa State, Texas at Baylor and LSU at Alabama fit this profile of a team already in, having to play a bubble team. Dont be shocked to see Oklahoma, Texas and Alabama spring "upsets" and Seton Hall winning one of the 2 next week at home vs Marquette or Nova.
I don't think the Georgetown game matters much for Seton Hall in the overall equation other than a safety net. They could lose to GTown and beat Marquette or Nova and get in, but I am not quite sure they can win at GTown and lose the final 2 and feel confident they'll get a bid.
I have had some people tell me off the record to watch a trend across major conferences with teams already in the NCAA'S, playing and tend to lose a lot more games in the final 2 weeks to teams on the bubble.
It almost props the respective league up and ultimately, in a strange way, helps the resume of that entire league. It would not shock me to see Seton Hall pick up a win vs Marquette or Nova....neither team has motivation to win, when the conference tournament is within a week or so and it would look better if the Big East had 4 teams get in, vs just 3 teams.
Just something to look at across all major conferences as a trend of sorts. If there's a bubble team with a chance for a Q1 win, that team usually plays much better than expected. In the B1G, Indiana almost won at Iowa, and Nebraska almost got Purdue.
Some games this week like Oklahoma at Iowa State, Texas at Baylor and LSU at Alabama fit this profile of a team already in, having to play a bubble team. Dont be shocked to see Oklahoma, Texas and Alabama spring "upsets" and Seton Hall winning one of the 2 next week at home vs Marquette or Nova.
I don't think the Georgetown game matters much for Seton Hall in the overall equation other than a safety net. They could lose to GTown and beat Marquette or Nova and get in, but I am not quite sure they can win at GTown and lose the final 2 and feel confident they'll get a bid.
I remember in 98-99 when we lost the game to SHU 57-55 with the ball going out off off Hodgson's leg and 03-04 when we lost to Va. Tech on the road 71-70. Both years we finished like # 42 in the RPI and we didn't make the NCAA. The NCAA picked teams much differently at that time. There was emphasis on how a team finished over their last few regular season games. With today's rules with a # 42 or so rating we would easily have made it both of those years. Now teams rated at # 60 or worse will make the tournament. It is much easier now for some teams to be selected. Now it seems several teams with less than a .500 record in their league will get in. That was not the case too many years ago.
Agreed. Too much emphasis on a couple of early wins. The overall record is barely NIT worthy
Oklahoma had a bad record last year and somehow got in. It’s a fluid situation. You never know who is going to be on the bubble until selection Sunday. Only then, can you really stack up the resumes. Seton Hall did a very good building a solid OOC. I know the record is not sexy and it can get worse, but they did exactly what they had to early in the season to keep themselves in the conversation. I won’t be surprised either way
Michigan,Michigan State,Purdue ,Maryland ,
Iowa and Wisconsin are the quality B1G teams worthy of a NCAA bid.Teams like Ohio State,Nebraska ,Minnesota and Indiana are fillers because the depth in college basketball is so weak this season that many teams with less than 20 wins will get a invite.
Iowa and Wisconsin are the quality B1G teams worthy of a NCAA bid.Teams like Ohio State,Nebraska ,Minnesota and Indiana are fillers because the depth in college basketball is so weak this season that many teams with less than 20 wins will get a invite.
this is a MUST win for Minnesota
Minnesota doesnt have a great resume but wins over RU and NW would be enough so they dont have to pull the upsets over Purdue and Maryland
Minnesota doesnt have a great resume but wins over RU and NW would be enough so they dont have to pull the upsets over Purdue and Maryland
Hopefully the pressure gets to them a little, enough for RU to pull off the upset
I witnessed the Hall game, and listened to
the V TECH game on the radio....as I recall, we had a late lead on VT and it eroded.....it came down to the last possession and tech put up a shot that I believe missed....then all I could hear for about a minute was crowd noise....which was not a good sign since the game was at Tech...of course they put in a shot, probably a rebound, for the win....but it took a good minute to hear
the RU announcers
The bubble can’t be fun. We’ve had our share of “fun” while watching our lacrosse team. You can’t figure it out
It is probably not the selection committee with these bubble predictions, others just making a guess. Maybe this should be the year that they take a few teams from smaller conferences with great records, but not the best RPi. Rather than teams with 12 losses from big conferences
Not as a routine thing, just because the supposed bubble teams look bad this go round
I am not taking about the overall play of the team, I am talking about the win and loss record.
Nova is now reeling after losing to redhot Xavier....Nova hosts Marquette next. Could be 4 losses in row for Nova.
What looked to be a big potential season ending regular season with Seton Hall hosting Nova, is now possibly deflated a bit, unless Nova can get back on track vs Marquette.
What looked to be a big potential season ending regular season with Seton Hall hosting Nova, is now possibly deflated a bit, unless Nova can get back on track vs Marquette.
Yeah the win and loss record is always in relation to who you’ve played. 18-12 including their crazy non conference deserves a bid. They’ll make the NIT even at 16-14