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va87eer

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Love when there is one data point comparing two teams because they played one another and the team that won is ranked lower than the team they beat.
 
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TownesVanZandt_rivals

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But they do rank the teams before the season on...
They say that the Sagarin Rankings are not valid until after 4 games.

Missouri was vastly overrated prior to the season.
Drew Lock was that team and without him they didn't have much
 
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Darth_VadEER

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Theres really no purpose to pay attention to any of these rankings....they are just conversation pieces.

If youre in a power conference and win all your games you will have the opportunity to play for a national title.
 
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va87eer

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If two teams play each other and one beats the other there is no way the losing team should be higher....even if it's Alabama against a peewee team.
 
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doneagain

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va87eer said:
If two teams play each other and one beats the other there is no way the losing team should be higher....even if it's Alabama against a peewee team.
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Mostly I agree with you but what if an 11-1 team ranked #1 had one loss to a 1-11 team ranked #129 who had only one win over the 11-1 team.

I think the entire body of work has to come into account.

Now if records are similar, I agree, no question.
 
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Buckaineer

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Its a tricky system, they should wait to rank teams after everyone played ooc games and maybe one or two conference games.

If you lose on the field though, then you are not better than the team you lost to and that should matter going into the post season- ie the year Ohio State was beaten by double digits at home should have mattered at the end and kept them out of the playoffs.
 
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doneagain

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Buckaineer said:
Its a tricky system, they should wait to rank teams after everyone played ooc games and maybe one or two conference games.

If you lose on the field though, then you are not better than the team you lost to and that should matter going into the post season- ie the year Ohio State was beaten by double digits at home should have mattered at the end and kept them out of the playoffs.
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I agree.
 
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sg44gold

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I agree with the one game head to head comments with one caveat.

You have to factor in the HOME team advantage. If the underdog is only a 3 point dog at Home and they win in OT, then maybe the other team stays ahead of them. But those are rare circumstances.
 
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va87eer

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doneagain said:
Mostly I agree with you but what if an 11-1 team ranked #1 had one loss to a 1-11 team ranked #129 who had only one win over the 11-1 team.

I think the entire body of work has to come into account.

Now if records are similar, I agree, no question.
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For sure it's the whole body of work and a team that beat another team can be lower than that team when the whole body of work is considered (your scenario and even 11-1 compared to say, 8-4)

However, when two teams have played one game only and the winning team is ranked far below the losing team then something is wrong.
 
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va87eer

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For an interesting comparison to Sagarin ratings, which used a biased preseason rating, check out the Colley matrix. In this rating system, every team that's 1-0 is tied for first and every team that's 0-1 is tied for last. As the season moves forward the teams will start to differentiate themselves.
Sagarin also becomes more meaningful as the number of games increases. It would be interesting to see the impact of the starting position to the ending position. For example, if the preseason #1, #30, and #100 all go undefeated, what are their final rankings?
 
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