Richmond summer league

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Watched some of last nights 76ers vs Wizards game last night. Richmond played about 25 minutes after not starting. In fact this is the first game he’s played in. He had some kind of wrap on his shoulder so maybe same sort of injury.

He went 1/6, 1/5 on twos even though he got to the basket easily when I was watching and air balled a 3 but was under some time pressure On that shot. Couple rebounds, one assist, handled the ball well bringing it up under pressure and played solid D. His teammates however were miserable on D giving up wide open 3s in the 4th quarter. On the offensive end, one pass and an errant 3. The Wizards got blown out late.

Kadary had a terrible +/-. But I could see why it is a questionable metric. He’s on the court playing D but his teammates are getting burned on drives and open 3s. He played more as the game went on. Not sure if that wraps up the Summer League schedule or there is another game or two. He could use another couple games.
 

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Watched some of last nights 76ers vs Wizards game last night. Richmond played about 25 minutes after not starting. In fact this is the first game he’s played in. He had some kind of wrap on his shoulder so maybe same sort of injury.

He went 1/6, 1/5 on twos even though he got to the basket easily when I was watching and air balled a 3 but was under some time pressure On that shot. Couple rebounds, one assist, handled the ball well bringing it up under pressure and played solid D. His teammates however were miserable on D giving up wide open 3s in the 4th quarter. On the offensive end, one pass and an errant 3. The Wizards got blown out late.

Kadary had a terrible +/-. But I could see why it is a questionable metric. He’s on the court playing D but his teammates are getting burned on drives and open 3s. He played more as the game went on. Not sure if that wraps up the Summer League schedule or there is another game or two. He could use another couple games.
Washington sat the regulars who had played earlier in the week. He can't shoot...he won't be on a roster.
 

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Kadary played Wednesday night against Utah.

He made his only shot attempt in 12 minutes, two points, four assists and three rebounds and was plus-9 in an 86-76 loss.

Ace Bailey had the night off but Adama Sanogo posted three points and nine boards in 19 minutes.

They should have one game left as they are 1-3 -- the Saturday and Sunday schedules are currently TBA.

 

radecicco

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Washington sat the regulars who had played earlier in the week. He can't shoot...he won't be on a roster.
Well, he has a two way deal so he will get some NBA minutes at some point. Meanwhile he’ll make around $560k this year while figuring out where his professional hoops career will take him next.
 
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Well, he has a two way deal so he will get some NBA minutes at some point. Meanwhile he’ll make around $560k this year while figuring out where his professional hoops career will take him next.
While I've seen this reported, I'm not sure it's true that Kadary has a two-way deal. For one thing, most (all?) reporting has left out a mention of a two-way contract and that should typically be stated.

Spotrac does a tremendous job of keeping team rosters up-to-date and he is not listed on the Wizard's roster. Furthermore, they appear to have all three of their two-way spots accounted for.

I suspect he has a summer deal perhaps with an invite to training camp with a G League spot a possibility.

 

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Thanks for the info. I know I read from several supposedly knowledgeable writers that KR had a two way with the Wizards. Also, I thought a team could only carry two two way contracts but the roster lists three. Who knows?
 

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Thanks for the info. I know I read from several supposedly knowledgeable writers that KR had a two way with the Wizards. Also, I thought a team could only carry two two way contracts but the roster lists three. Who knows?
3 two-contracts per team were instituter last season.
 
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Thanks for the info. I know I read from several supposedly knowledgeable writers that KR had a two way with the Wizards. Also, I thought a team could only carry two two way contracts but the roster lists three. Who knows?

3 two-contracts per team were instituter last season.
The NBA added a third two-way as part of the CBA that went into effect last season.

If I'm not mistaken Pitino was spreading the word that Kadary was on a two-way deal. Misinformed or lying apparently.
 

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It's going to take him a few years to make what he did last year at St. John's, lmao!
 

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The NBA added a third two-way as part of the CBA that went into effect last season.

If I'm not mistaken Pitino was spreading the word that Kadary was on a two-way deal. Misinformed or lying apparently.
Wait... Pitino? BSing? 🤣
 

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I never understood how these high D1 players cant shoot, shooting is something learned at a young age
 

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It’s not uncommon when you’re so good or have elite athleticism that you never develop an outside shot because you don’t have to.
Just through the SHU lens, contrast Rhoden, Mamu and Kadary. You can make the argument that Kadary has more athletic ability but Jared and Mamu have worked at every aspect of their games to get to the NBA. Hopefully Rhoden can stick like Mamu. But does Richmond even make it that far?
 

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If Richmond had Powell's work ethic, he'd have been in the NBA 4 years ago. Now it's probably too late.

One of the best players I've watched at SHU, just never really unlocked his full potential.
 

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Just through the SHU lens, contrast Rhoden, Mamu and Kadary. You can make the argument that Kadary has more athletic ability but Jared and Mamu have worked at every aspect of their games to get to the NBA. Hopefully Rhoden can stick like Mamu. But does Richmond even make it that far?
Partial awful take.

Mamu is a poor version of what NBA is looking for in bigs, tall, skilled, shooter. And couldn't break into a rotation of a really bad team.

Kadary's shooting was ALWAYS going to kimit who is interested in him. TBH, probably would have had more interest after the NIT, as his shooting numbers went down with St Rick.
 
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Partial awful take.

Mamu is a poor version of what NBA is looking for in bigs, tall, skilled, shooter. And couldn't break into a rotation of a really bad team.

Kadary's shooting was ALWAYS going to kimit who is interested in him. TBH, probably would have had more interest after the NIT, as his shooting numbers went down with St Rick.
Just comparing three recent SHU players, their skills, development and trajectory into the NBA. We can split Harris in terms of what the NBA is looking for or not looking for.

Rhoden and Mamu got better each and every year in college and continued to improve post graduation. I have to go back and look, but Jareds shooting percentages I believe improved to the point of earning a two way contract.
 

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Just comparing three recent SHU players, their skills, development and trajectory into the NBA. We can split Harris in terms of what the NBA is looking for or not looking for.

Rhoden and Mamu got better each and every year in college and continued to improve post graduation. I have to go back and look, but Jareds shooting percentages I believe improved to the point of earning a two way contract.
Kadary got better and better each year at SHU and his numbers show that.

I think Rhoden and Mamu were better shooters to start with that Kadary ever was or will be. He was probably more successful with the little hitch in his shot than when he got rid of it. Some guys just can't shoot. 🤷‍♂️And him not being that uber-athlete, it'll keep him from making asplash in the league.
 
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Kadary got better and better each year at SHU and his numbers show that.

I think Rhoden and Mamu were better shooters to start with that Kadary ever was or will be. He was probably more successful with the little hitch in his shot than when he got rid of it. Some guys just can't shoot. 🤷‍♂️And him not being that uber-athlete, it'll keep him from making asplash in the league.
Went back and compared college for all and college/pro for Jared/Mamu.
- Mamu and Kadary had comparable FG%, but Mamu had a slightly better 3Pt % (32 vs 30)
- Jared’s FG% was by far the worst of the three in college, but he improved dramatically (40 to 46) as a pro. If Kadary can make that kind of improvement.
- Mamu has the better 3Pt % as a pro 35 vs 32. Both obviously borderline NBA players.
 

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I've read that Rhoden has a serious shoulder injury. Sounds like he'll be out for months. I don't know how this affects his position with the team.
 

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If Richmond had Powell's work ethic, he'd have been in the NBA 4 years ago. Now it's probably too late.

One of the best players I've watched at SHU, just never really unlocked his full potential.
It seemed he didn't fully embrace this type of stuff until last year, (conditioning, motor, etc) although I always wonder if I was being too critical from afar not knowing the actual situation.
 

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He didn't really embrace it last year either. Honestly, of his four different college coaches. Shaheen got the best out of Kadary. Uber talented kid, just doesn't seem like a hard worker.
 

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Rhoden and Mamu had mid range and long range shots in their HS/Prep mixtapes. Kadary did not.
 

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He didn't really embrace it last year either. Honestly, of his four different college coaches. Shaheen got the best out of Kadary. Uber talented kid, just doesn't seem like a hard worker.
Disagree with you there -- Pitino credited him consistently with playing through injuries, playing hurt, being in better condition as the season progressed, etc. I thought he was fantastic for them most of that year, being willing to sacrifice some of his counting stats in playing with better players and making everyone better.
 

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He was worse this year than last year, playing in a better offense with better players. He reverted to being the third option, despite being their clear best player (like he did here with rhoden and Aiken). Disappeared in the biggest game of the year. I could go on.

For all the preseason talk about Pitino getting the most out of him, he didn’t. He got him paid. That’s about it.
 

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He was worse this year than last year, playing in a better offense with better players. He reverted to being the third option, despite being their clear best player (like he did here with rhoden and Aiken). Disappeared in the biggest game of the year. I could go on.

For all the preseason talk about Pitino getting the most out of him, he didn’t. He got him paid. That’s about it.
Yea, I disagree. I think he deferred to talent around him to ensure the ultimate goal of winning, which they did. Still made second team All-League and easily could have been on the first team -- in fact the two kids who made the first team basically credited Kadary with them getting there, as did Pitino. For him to be that unselfish in his last year says something, and I recall down the stretch of games he was always there in a big way. To me this past year exemplified him being a winning player more than any other. He got into foul trouble in the Arkansas game, so his career ended up a game or two short of where he wanted no doubt. But for him to be part of a true resurrection, winning the BE For the first time in forever, winning the conference tourney, getting a great seed, 30 wins, playing in packed MSG for what became one of the biggest stories locally and nationally. I think you are selling the kid short. And I was one of the more critical fans of him at Seton Hall because I found his persona to be such an enigma. The "general soreness" stuff and how Sha handled that -- which in retrospect was a huge mistake by him -- only played into that.
 

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i feared we not only lost him but i'd have to read all winter how pitino unlocked his skills and he finally reached his potential. but he didnt get better, pitino said as much in season. he was good and in the moments when he went after it, he showed me what i had seen when he was here. but his usage didnt take advantage of him to the fullest. i dont blame pitino. no one has figured kr out yet. sha did as good a job as anyone.

a tall pg who can pass it like he can should have a place somewhere
 
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i feared we not only lost him but i'd have to read all winter how pitino unlocked his skills and he finally reached his potential. but he didnt get better, pitino said as much in season. he was good and in the moments when he went after it, he showed me what i had seen when he was here. but his usage didnt take advantage of him to the fullest. i dont blame pitino. no one has figured kr out yet. sha did as good a job as anyone.

a tall pg who can pass it like he can should have a place somewhere
He had Boeheim, Willard, Holloway and Pitino as coaches…not a group of slouches. None of them got the best out of Kooks.
 

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He was worse this year than last year, playing in a better offense with better players. He reverted to being the third option, despite being their clear best player (like he did here with rhoden and Aiken). Disappeared in the biggest game of the year. I could go on.

For all the preseason talk about Pitino getting the most out of him, he didn’t. He got him paid. That’s about it.
I disagree that he was worse last year than the year before. Yes his numbers were down but in the process he helped two teammates become all-league players -- in short he made the guys around him better.

And, if you watched him play enough, you saw him make big plays in meaningful spots to help his team win.

I'd agree he never got the most out of his individual talent. It's unfortunate he hasn't, to this point, developed an outside shot but it's clear he's never had confidence in his shot.
 

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For a good portion of the '24 season Kadary was arguably the best player in the BigEast. There is a reason he was rated #1 transfer in the portal.
Same with last year. He was arguably the best player or co-best player (with Zuby) on the best team in the league, and a top 10 team in the country. Luis got the most year-end accolades and went from not making a preseason all league team to BE player of the year, but from afar I thought Zuby and Richmond were there most valuable players.