Raw 25th anniversary episode

[Msubulldogfan1]

Anybody else catch it? I thought it was gonna be great seeing stone cold come out there and stun Vince and Shane. But when he didn’t even speak I thought something was up.

Overall, it was disappointing to me. The attitude era is what I grew up on and this generation sucks.

 

[5049]

Wrestling began to die when WCW and WWF merged in 2002. Wrestlemania 18 was the pinnacle, and it has been down since then. I cannot put my finger on the problems with production, it just seems the wrestlers today do not have the same entertainment value, and the crowds do not have the same fire

 

[Msubulldogfan1]

Wrestling began to die when WCW and WWF merged in 2002. Wrestlemania 18 was the pinnacle, and it has been down since then. I cannot put my finger on the problems with production, it just seems the wrestlers today do not have the same entertainment value, and the crowds do not have the same fire

They don’t have the same **** talking charisma that stone cold, the rock, DX has back in the day nor the same mystique that Kane or the undertaker had back then either.

The **** they used to do back in the day, bringing the beer truck in the arena, stone cold playing a nurse then attacking Vince, the fake wedding, coorperate, nick foley in the royal rumble coming out 3 times as all his characters.

If they decided to play every episode in order from about 95- on, I would watch that ****.

Nick

 

[Drebin]

Wrestling began to die when WCW and WWF merged in 2002. Wrestlemania 18 was the pinnacle, and it has been down since then. I cannot put my finger on the problems with production, it just seems the wrestlers today do not have the same entertainment value, and the crowds do not have the same fire

WWE began to die when Linda McMahon decided to run for public office and they made a conscious decision to become more kid friendly and do away with the language, sexual stuff, and blading. It was a lot more edgy back then which made it a lot more interesting.

 

[Msubulldogfan1]

And for anyone that keeps up with RAW, when did John Cena become a Heel? The last time I watched, everyone loved him, he was carrying WWE.

 

[5049]

WWE began to die when Linda McMahon decided to run for public office and they made a conscious decision to become more kid friendly and do away with the language, sexual stuff, and blading. It was a lot more edgy back then which made it a lot more interesting.

I don't know man, I still say it's talent. It was pretty cartoony back during the 80s and early 90s, and grew a good bit. Seems like they had more gifted actors back in the day, and nowadays more bros

 

[Msubulldogfan1]

I don't know man, I still say it's talent. It was pretty cartoony back during the 80s and early 90s, and grew a good bit. Seems like they had more gifted actors back in the day, and nowadays more bros

The announcers and storyline builds the characters as much as anything else.

 

[MSUDC11]

I thought the 1,000th episode of Raw special that they did several years ago was a lot better. This was really underwhelming.

From a pure wrestling talent standpoint, they have as much as they’ve ever had right now. AJ Styles has only been there for two years and he might already be a Hall of Famer. I’ve never seen someone have more consistently great matches.

The problem continues to be that they only push who they want to push and hold certain guys back in favor off less talented ones just because they have “the look”. We got six months of Jinder Mahal as world champion just because he’s ripped and has an Indian heritage. Someone like Kevin Owens or Samoa Joe would’ve been far better in that role.

The writing and storytelling are just really bad nowadays, and it has crippled a lot of really talented guys. AJ is great enough to overcome it and so have guys like Owens, but you’ve got a lot of guys getting lost in the shuffle right now with few stars, which is ridiculous considering that they are absolutely loaded with talent right now.

 

[Hankp22]

WWE NYSE

Just look at that Raw>Mania seasonal takeoff. The most sure thing on the market.

 

[the dog is on the loose]

There are wayyy too many comic characters out there now than wrestlers. I had pretty much quit watching it a couple of years ago but watched it last night. I too was mostly disappointed in it. As far as Cena being a heel he is not. People just got tired of watching him do the same gimmic for at least 15 years so they started booing him.

 

[Msubulldogfan1]

I can think of a couple storyline that’s would draw me in, have Shane McMahon take on a Vince McMahon type roll, then have Cena join him...then that presents an option for him to break away down the line.

Have DX come back and create a rift between Triple H and Stephanie, that would be fun.

I cared more about the stories and **** talking than the actual wrestling.

Bring back some of the banned moves also, like the powerbomb or pile driver. Let people get hit in the head with chairs again.

 

[Uncle Ruckus]

It died when they stopped having the fabulous moolah and mae young stripping on raw

 

[Wizard of bulldogery]

I've never enjoyed Days of our Lives with dudes in jockstraps doing body slams. so no I didn't catch it.

 

[aTotal360]

"Someone say puppies?" - The King

 

[Drebin]

I don't know man, I still say it's talent. It was pretty cartoony back during the 80s and early 90s, and grew a good bit. Seems like they had more gifted actors back in the day, and nowadays more bros

There is a ton of talent today. It's as talented as it's ever been. I think it's just the product. It's not edgy, and everyone has to be a badass. I guess they do that to compete with MMA or something. The only truly interesting character is Miz.

You could put Balor and Cesaro and some of those guys in high-spot matches like the TLC ones from back in the day and it would be just as good probably. The product is just too toned down...they don't want to do any high spots unless it's ridiculously gimmicked. Last night's match with Miz and Reigns was a great example...Miz removed the turnbuckle and Reigns took a header on the steel to lose the match. In the attitude era, Reigns would've done a gory blade job there and it would've put Miz over like crazy, and would've helped Reigns too. They just don't do stuff like that anymore and the product is worse for it.

The days of ring psychology and mat wrestling are gone.

 

[Drebin]

"Someone say puppies?" - The King

Lawler actually mentioned puppies last night. It was funny to see ol' JR squash it quickly.

 

[KurtRambis4]

To me, it

died when they started letting in people from MTV reality shows...

 

[Jeffreauxdawg]

When I saw 16 replies I legitimately thought this thread was about the Eddie Murphy stand up. I was thinking it had to be more than 25 years old.

I get uncomfortable thinking about grown men that watch wrestling. It makes me sad for humanity.

 

[Msubulldogfan1]

When I saw 16 replies I legitimately thought this thread was about the Eddie Murphy stand up. I was thinking it had to be more than 25 years old.

I get uncomfortable thinking about grown men that watch wrestling. It makes me sad for humanity.

Comments like this kill me. If your concern for the human race hinges on what a man chooses to watch on TV, you’re an idiot.

 

[MSUDC11]

When I saw 16 replies I legitimately thought this thread was about the Eddie Murphy stand up. I was thinking it had to be more than 25 years old.

I get uncomfortable thinking about grown men that watch wrestling. It makes me sad for humanity.

Why? As a grown man who watches wrestling, I’m curious as to why myself and millions of others watching a certain TV show in our spare means that humanity is in a sad state of affairs.

It’s not for everybody, and even as a fan it leaves me disappointed more often than not, but it can be legitimately entertaining. If you don’t like it, don’t watch or respond to threads about it. But there’s no need to be an *** about it to those of us who do enjoy it.

 

[Jeffreauxdawg]

Comments like this kill me. If your concern for the human race hinges on what a man chooses to watch on TV, you’re an idiot.

I would be less concerned if wrestling fans over the age of 18 signed a declaration that this is the only form of propagation you will take part in:
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[Miketice]

Comments like this kill me. If your concern for the human race hinges on what a man chooses to watch on TV, you’re an idiot.

I'm pretty sure that is becoming clear.

 

[Wizard of bulldogery]

Maybe, but if all men are watching hours of wrestling I believe there is a valid argument that something might be a little off with the human race. check out the movie Idiocracy where Ow My Balls is the most popular show in the world at that time.

 

[Wizard of bulldogery]

Do you understand what a response thread is?

 

[Miketice]

Maybe, but if all men are watching hours of wrestling I believe there is a valid argument that something might be a little off with the human race. check out the movie Idiocracy where Ow My Balls is the most popular show in the world at that time.

I'm pretty sure ALL men aren't watching wrestling. But why **** on the ones who do enjoy it ? I would go out on a limb and guess Saturday game day by the tube isn't exclusive to the MENSA society.

 

[Wizard of bulldogery]

I was somewhat speaking in absolutes and hypotheticals. i guess i should have clarified hours of wrestling everyday. Would you think something was wrong with the world if there was only 1 tv channel and it was the same show set on repeat?

 

[Jeffreauxdawg]

Why? As a grown man who watches wrestling, I’m curious as to why myself and millions of others watching a certain TV show in our spare means that humanity is in a sad state of affairs... If you don’t like it, don’t watch or respond to threads about it. But there’s no need to be an *** about it to those of us who do enjoy it.

As I mentioned, I seriously was thinking about the Eddie Murphy stand up... The Mandigo bit is worth the price of admission.

As for the sadness, I am hoping for a world that becomes more educated over time in order to advance society, you know like the last 3000 generations have done for us?

You will see that they're is a massive decline in education attainment of wrestling fans when compared with the rest of society. I would feel the same way about any of the reality crap aimed at women.

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[BulldogBlitz]

I don't know man, I still say it's talent. It was pretty cartoony back during the 80s and early 90s, and grew a good bit. Seems like they had more gifted actors back in the day, and nowadays more bros

Doink the clown disagrees

 

[BulldogBlitz]

I would class most people who respond to surveys in the same manner.

 

[vhdawg]

And for anyone that keeps up with RAW, when did John Cena become a Heel? The last time I watched, everyone loved him, he was carrying WWE.

IF ViewerSex=Female THEN Cena=Babyface

ELSE IF Viewer Age < 13 THEN Cena = Babyface

ELSE Cena = Heel

 

[vhdawg]

When I saw 16 replies I legitimately thought this thread was about the Eddie Murphy stand up. I was thinking it had to be more than 25 years old.

I get uncomfortable thinking about grown men that watch wrestling. It makes me sad for humanity.

Pssst....Game of Thrones is fake.

 

[vhdawg]

As I mentioned, I seriously was thinking about the Eddie Murphy stand up... The Mandigo bit is worth the price of admission.

As for the sadness, I am hoping for a world that becomes more educated over time in order to advance society, you know like the last 3000 generations have done for us?

You will see that they're is a massive decline in education attainment of wrestling fans when compared with the rest of society. I would feel the same way about any of the reality crap aimed at women.

"They're is"

 

[Jeffreauxdawg]

"They're is"

Thanks. You must have been an English major... That would put you in the 10% of wrestling fans that have a college degree.

 

[IBleedMaroonDawg]

I would have to agree with your take. I grew up watching Saturday wrasslin' from Memphis with my Grandmother. I liked a lot of the 80's but the mid 90's to early 2000's run was much more fun, and fun is the primary word for me. It was entertaining. Those guys knew how to handle a microphone.

I've fallen off the wagon so badly that I didn't even know about last night's broadcast, but I would have skipped it if I did. I've tried to watch the brand in recent years and just got bored. All of the personality is gone. They are terrible and not interesting at all.

 

[BulldogBlitz]

Never bash the edumacation levels while committing easily caught errors. Welcome to the interwebs.

 

[the dog is on the loose]

Yes I’m a grown man and I used to watch wrestling on Monday nights but so freaking what?!? I never cared for the actual wrestling but just the crap talking and skits. I also am a big race fan and have a car that I carry to the strip at times. Does that make me any more of a man for the idiots on here bashing those that like wrestling. And no I didn’t go to college but I make damn good money. Does that make me any more of a man? Some of the so called state fans on here are dick heads.

 

[Jeffreauxdawg]

Yes I’m a grown man and I used to watch wrestling on Monday nights but so freaking what?!? I never cared for the actual wrestling but just the crap talking and skits. I also am a big race fan and have a car that I carry to the strip at times. Does that make me any more of a man for the idiots on here bashing those that like wrestling. And no I didn’t go to college but I make damn good money. Does that make me any more of a man? Some of the so called state fans on here are dick heads.

Who me?
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[vhdawg]

Thanks. You must have been an English major... That would put you in the 10% of wrestling fans that have a college degree.

No, but I did make better than a 24 on the English section of the ACT.

 

[Seinfeld]

No doubt that all those guys were legends, but then even underneath them, you had Jericho, Edge, Christian, Guerrero, the Hardy Boys, Angle... Not to mention Trish Stratus, Sable, and Torrie Wilson rather than the garbage Divas division that’s currently on tv.

HHH knows what’s wrong with the current product, and he’d fix it if he could, but his hands are tied. The whole business is in dire need of another Ted Turner that can swoop in with a billion dollars and an ego to give Vince some real competition