Pikiell is safe for a while

needmorecowbell

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RULoyal

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Where is Rutgers getting $22 million to pay them off AND another $10-15 million for a new staff at a time where they have to set aside $21 million for the athletes?
Do they have to pay that in a lump sum? Or is that paid out over the course of the years left on the contract?
 

Doctor Worm

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Do they have to pay that in a lump sum? Or is that paid out over the course of the years left on the contract?
Depends on the specifics of the contract, but as a rule, it is paid out over the length of the contract. If the coach gets another coaching job, the salary from the new job reduces the amount owed.
 

-RUFAN4LIFE-

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Where is Rutgers getting $22 million to pay them off AND another $10-15 million for a new staff at a time where they have to set aside $21 million for the athletes?
Simple - the loan payments that are deducted from RU's full share are about done and the increasing TV revenue payouts from the new contract offset a lot of the $4m/year that Pike would stand to receive.

It's not this enormous mountain that some of you want to make it out to be because you're paralyzed by the gross number and the typical RU fan PTSD that everything has to be done on the cheap.

If it's a very bad season, like Littlepage/Jordan bad which I don't think will happen, it hurts the program more to retain him coming off last year's debacle with two lottery picks.

Ultimately, if the key program boosters decide that it's time for fresh blood and put up money, Zinn will act.
 
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It would cost $22 million to fire Pikiell and Brandin Knight after this season. They are not going anywhere.
People quit all the time when things aren’t going well and they realize they have lost the support of the University. Yes, many people stick around, but if you have lower level options, can be better to leave than destroying your reputation.
 

fatsam98

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Simple - the loan payments that are deducted from RU's full share are about done and the increasing TV revenue payouts from the new contract offset a lot of the $4m/year that Pike would stand to receive.

It's not this enormous mountain that some of you want to make it out to be because you're paralyzed by the gross number and the typical RU fan PTSD that everything has to be done on the cheap.

If it's a very bad season, like Littlepage/Jordan bad which I don't think will happen, it hurts the program more to retain him coming off last year's debacle with two lottery picks.

Ultimately, if the key program boosters decide that it's time for fresh blood and put up money, Zinn will act.
The same key program boosters who were unable to surround Dylan and Ace with any semblance of talent? Dude they don't exist. And even if they did, put their money to use in the NIL space instead. $4M a year would transform this program no matter who is coaching it.
 

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Pike is going to hold the school hostage, fire me or let me coach my 11-16 team for the duration of my contract. He’s not going anywhere.

He has to know at this point he has no chance to succeed.
 
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T2Kplus20

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Pike is going to hold the school hostage, fire me or let me coach my 11-16 team for the duration of my contract. He’s not going anywhere.

He has to know at this point he has no chance to succeed.
Folks from LSU/SEC don't play that game. He will be out on his butt if this season is a train wreck.
 

needmorecowbell

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Pike is going to hold the school hostage, fire me or let me coach my 11-16 team for the duration of my contract. He’s not going anywhere.

He has to know at this point he has no chance to succeed.
Hostage? My goodness. Lol
Tom Cruise What GIF
 

MCKnight

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He's got 7 wins built in with his home buy games, he only needs to win 5 more to avoid a “disastrous” season. 3/4 in big ten and Seton Hall, and a Vegas Match against UNLV in 3rd game. 12-19 isn’t good, but given the hand he was dealt with no GM and limited NIL, he’d be back with that record for at least one more year with better plans and resources.
 
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-RUFAN4LIFE-

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He's got 7 wins built in with his home buy games, he only needs to win 5 more to avoid a “disastrous” season. 3/4 in big ten and Seton Hall, and a Vegas Match against UNLV in 3rd game. 12-19 isn’t good, but given the hand he was dealt with no GM and limited NIL, he’d be back with that record for at least one more year with better plans and resources.
What do you mean “given the hand he was dealt”? He’s mostly responsible for the current state of the program.
 

JudgeSmails56

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He's got 7 wins built in with his home buy games, he only needs to win 5 more to avoid a “disastrous” season. 3/4 in big ten and Seton Hall, and a Vegas Match against UNLV in 3rd game. 12-19 isn’t good, but given the hand he was dealt with no GM and limited NIL, he’d be back with that record for at least one more year with better plans and resources.

Hand he was dealt? He's refused to hire anyone that knows how to run an offense. He's done a horrible job fundraising. Any why did he drag his feet hiring a GM?

The wounds are largely self inflicted.
 

MCKnight

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are you new to Rutgers? Fundraising for basketball hasn’t happened for decades, Football can barely get by with their funds In the new world of college athletics. And you Can’t hire a GM without AD and School approval. It’s a poorly run state university with no leadership within sports for almost a year.
the offensive focused assistant coach, and lack of change amongst staff, I agree with. He’s responsible for that. And he’s been way too loyal
 
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-RUFAN4LIFE-

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are you new to Rutgers? Fundraising for basketball hasn’t happened for decades, Football can barely get by with their funds In the new world of college athletics. And you Can’t hire a GM without AD and School approval. It’s a poorly run state university with no leadership within sports for almost a year.
the offensive focused assistant coach, and lack of change amongst staff, I agree with. He’s responsible for that. And he’s been way too loyal
Football can barely get by? :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:

Yeah that’s why they have outbid State Penn for several players. The two programs are operating totally different when it comes to NIL. Greg went and found outside sources to build his fund. Pike appears to have sat on his hands.
 

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He's got 7 wins built in with his home buy games, he only needs to win 5 more to avoid a “disastrous” season. 3/4 in big ten and Seton Hall, and a Vegas Match against UNLV in 3rd game. 12-19 isn’t good, but given the hand he was dealt with no GM and limited NIL, he’d be back with that record for at least one more year with better plans and resources.
Going 12-19 and way behind on NIL and if Best players are leaving makes things far from a slam dunk he is back

Better plans and resources? What evidence of this. If he comes back he is a dead man walking the following season barring a Bob wenzel one season turnaround
 

MADHAT1

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are you new to Rutgers? Fundraising for basketball hasn’t happened for decades, Football can barely get by with their funds In the new world of college athletics. And you Can’t hire a GM without AD and School approval. It’s a poorly run state university with no leadership within sports for almost a year.
the offensive focused assistant coach, and lack of change amongst staff, I agree with. He’s responsible for that. And he’s been way too loyal
Doesn't matter, now a days the HC must be able to bring in the players, the money it takes to fill a talented roster that makes up a winning program.
Failure to do that sends HCs to the unemployment line.
Pike is a fairly good coach, but not a big time one that can make Rutgers a very good program
 
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MCKnight

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Doesn't matter, now a days the HC must be able to bring in the players, the money it takes to fill a talented roster that makes up a winning program.
Failure to do that sends HCs to the unemployment line.
Pike is a fairly good coach, but not a big time one that can make Rutgers a very good program

All for a change but until the NIL and financial infrastructure is set, and our willingness hire someone year 1 at about 5 mil per, the next low level coach or assistant will Have the same problems.
 
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Football can barely get by? :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:

Yeah that’s why they have outbid State Penn for several players. The two programs are operating totally different when it comes to NIL. Greg went and found outside sources to build his fund. Pike appears to have sat on his hands.
That’s right, I forgot we celebrate a recruiting win over penn st, and a 7-5 season in football and deem the lame losers bowl we go to as success
 

seansherm

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I'm on record that his seat gets hot with another bad year. 12 wins? That gives them a reason to see if there are ways to raise what it would take to let him go. I think he makes it another year, but 12 wins or less it becomes a possibility.
 

needmorecowbell

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Football can barely get by? :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:

Yeah that’s why they have outbid State Penn for several players. The two programs are operating totally different when it comes to NIL. Greg went and found outside sources to build his fund. Pike appears to have sat on his hands.
All that hard work Greg is doing and still going 5-7 to 7-5. There is no doubt that Greg has done a great job with NIL. He has way more connections. Pike is by all means a very good coach who hasn’t had luck fund raising for NIL. Most coaches don’t need to figure out NIL, they have AD staff that in charge of that. RU majorly failed there. Suggesting Pike is sitting on his hands is a clear indication you are out of touch with the situation.
 

-RUFAN4LIFE-

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All that hard work Greg is doing and still going 5-7 to 7-5. There is no doubt that Greg has done a great job with NIL. He has way more connections. Pike is by all means a very good coach who hasn’t had luck fund raising for NIL. Most coaches don’t need to figure out NIL, they have AD staff that in charge of that. RU majorly failed there. Suggesting Pike is sitting on his hands is a clear indication you are out of touch with the situation.
MBB has it way easier with no truly dominant teams in the league other than Purdue. Much harder to win in football and Greg doesn't have the luxury of playing 6-7 teams with NET rankings in the 300s or high 200s. The two MAC teams on this year's schedule are much tougher than anything Pike is usually willing to book.

Now what would Pike's record look like if he had a top 10 preseason strength of schedule like Greg does this year. He would be clocking in way worse record wise than Greg. Yet that often gets overlooked in defense of Pike. If Greg played in the old B1G West he would have had winning records multiple years compared to what he had to face in the East.

The sports are not comparable but all you Pike loyalists rush to drag football into every thread. Football is way tougher period because of the size of the roster, depth needed and true blue blood that the team has to face annually. As I've said in other threads stop comparing them and focus on the issues within MBB. They will be laid bare soon enough and then many of you will hide in silence because you can't bear to admit that this team actually may suck and Pike's seat will get very warm due to it.
 

-RUFAN4LIFE-

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That’s right, I forgot we celebrate a recruiting win over penn st, and a 7-5 season in football and deem the lame losers bowl we go to as success
How many recruit/transfer battles did Pike win this year over blue blood programs? How many for the '26 class?

You're defending a coach that took a heavily flawed low major transfer that half his coaching staff was against and allowed an incoming freshman last year to dictate his transfer portal strategy at center...lol.

The days of very good basketball are gone it will take three years minimum to get decent again assuming they can hang on to any key player. Pike fcked himself with his poor recruiting and refusal to adapt to the changes brought on by NIL.

If you want to celebrate bringing in marginal low or mid-major talent and claim Pike's getting back to his roots, go ahead. Just don't be surprised when it doesn't go as planned.
 
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MCKnight

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Not celebrating or defending Pike. Last year was an epic failure. He should’ve at least changed his coaching staff in an admission of needing change. He will be here 2 more seasons so I’m rooting for him. But think it is 2 more losing seasons, likely. And then the new AD will make her mark in her first signature hire With the financial infrastructure more established.

But when do we start thinking football will ever be more than average? The Blue Bloods are always going to be there. I guess We can wait for the once in blue moon season like Indiana had last year bc of their schedule.
 
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fatsam98

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Where did you get 22 million from? This fugure is wayyy off
It's accurate. They are owed the remaining salary on their contracts if we fire them.

You may be thinking of the buyout amount Pike would have to pay Rutgers if he were to go coach elsewhere, which is significantly less than $20M.
 

needmorecowbell

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MBB has it way easier with no truly dominant teams in the league other than Purdue. Much harder to win in football and Greg doesn't have the luxury of playing 6-7 teams with NET rankings in the 300s or high 200s. The two MAC teams on this year's schedule are much tougher than anything Pike is usually willing to book.

Now what would Pike's record look like if he had a top 10 preseason strength of schedule like Greg does this year. He would be clocking in way worse record wise than Greg. Yet that often gets overlooked in defense of Pike. If Greg played in the old B1G West he would have had winning records multiple years compared to what he had to face in the East.

The sports are not comparable but all you Pike loyalists rush to drag football into every thread. Football is way tougher period because of the size of the roster, depth needed and true blue blood that the team has to face annually. As I've said in other threads stop comparing them and focus on the issues within MBB. They will be laid bare soon enough and then many of you will hide in silence because you can't bear to admit that this team actually may suck and Pike's seat will get very warm due to it.
Teams/coaches are measured vs your piers in conference. So even if what you are saying is true and basketball is easier (that would go for every Big Ten school too, so everyone must have it easy), the measuring stick is always vs your conference in your sport. Greg has performed at about the same level vs the conference as Pikes. Even if you cherry pick games to include or not. If I hear you right, mediocre is okay because football is harder than basketball?

That being said, Pikes needs to turn around the trajectory. Another 15 win season or worse won’t go well. He’s got at least 2 seasons to fix it (due to his contract and equity built), if not his seat will be very hot.
 

RUJMM78

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Pikiell has been a outstanding spokemen for Rutgers University.His problem shared with other Rutgers head coaches is the inability to win enough league games especially against ranked opponents.Getting Harper and Bailey created excitement that turned into utter disappointment.This season could be far worse than recent losing seasons because the talent is lacking and the coaching staff hasn't changed.The blame game will dominate fan responses on message boards.
 

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If we have a disaster season and finish last in the conference I’ll bet he’s gone.
With the number of tall athletic players Pike has and the way the Big Ten refs let the home team beat up on the away team along with the atmosphere at the RAC, I don’t see this team being Jordan or Littlepage bad. If they get lucky with a couple of Freshmen or transfers, this team could be better than last year’s team.
 
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RUDiddy777

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Simple - the loan payments that are deducted from RU's full share are about done and the increasing TV revenue payouts from the new contract offset a lot of the $4m/year that Pike would stand to receive.

It's not this enormous mountain that some of you want to make it out to be because you're paralyzed by the gross number and the typical RU fan PTSD that everything has to be done on the cheap.

If it's a very bad season, like Littlepage/Jordan bad which I don't think will happen, it hurts the program more to retain him coming off last year's debacle with two lottery picks.

Ultimately, if the key program boosters decide that it's time for fresh blood and put up money, Zinn will act.

if we had that kind of booster money, Pike wouldn’t be on the hot seat at all and we’d be celebrating a deep run in the tourney this past season.
 
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How many recruit/transfer battles did Pike win this year over blue blood programs? How many for the '26 class?

You're defending a coach that took a heavily flawed low major transfer that half his coaching staff was against and allowed an incoming freshman last year to dictate his transfer portal strategy at center...lol.

The days of very good basketball are gone it will take three years minimum to get decent again assuming they can hang on to any key player. Pike fcked himself with his poor recruiting and refusal to adapt to the changes brought on by NIL.

If you want to celebrate bringing in marginal low or mid-major talent and claim Pike's getting back to his roots, go ahead. Just don't be surprised when it doesn't go as planned.
This "return to roots" narrative is all predicated on the ONE group of players that had success under Pike's tenure at Rutgers. I like Pike and I am very impressed with what he's done with this program, but people act like he's rebuilt the program from the ground up with Jimmies and Joes time and time again when, in reality, he had one really good, cohesive group of guys at a time before NIL and before players could transfer in and out of a program with impunity. That core group represents his only two Tournament appearance teams at Rutgers. Unless we think there is a national defensive player of the year award winner, two two-time All-B1G defensive players, and a two-time All-B1G player in this group, then there is no comparison to speak of.
 
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