Pikell Offense
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We don't know that he's clueless. We do know he's the least coordinated and least athletic starting big that Shelby can remember going back decades. Footwork, hands, everything. Josh Sankes is much closer to Tim Duncan in ability than he is to Ogbole.
You (and others) are missing the point.
Its not about finding a coach who could run an offense with this group.
It's about having a coach who wouldn't put this group together.
You start with the philosophy and recruit to that.
This group doesnt shoot 3s because Pike/Knight doesnt prioritize 3pt shooting.
And never have.
So they assemble rosters that cant shoot.
Isn't not that "even Painter couldn't score with this group".
The point is - Painter would never put this group together. Even with our very limited resources, he wouldn't put this group together.
This is all accurate but the stubborn old heads on here have their head in the sand that it’s an issue just magically fixed by a coaching change
here is the bitter truth
RUTGERS WILL NEVER EVER EVER BE COMPETITIVE IN BASKETBALL AND FOOTBALL AGAIN WITHOUT A FULL COMMITMENT TO ATHLETICS FROM THE UNIVERSITY, AD, FANS AND COMMUNITY
take that to mean whatever you want it’s probably accurate regardless how you interpret it
different argument. that's a fish of a different stripe. Shelby has been refuting the idea that Pike and Knight don't know and can't teach offense, don't know how scheme for open 3s, etc. That's absurd. Of course they know how....but trying to teach those things to this team would be like trying to teach a squirrel to breathe underwater. The offense you see is the most suited style this team is capable of.
It's ugly....because of a stark lack of offensive talent and being a poor defensive team makes things doubly bad. But at least they don't signal for fair catches at every opportunity.
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There is more than enough talent to run a competent offense. Anyone could do that with time and effort. Making shots? Ok, even with horrific shooters you can do the things to get looks. Talent only comes in play when making them.
We don't run even a basic offense because we don't practice one. It's not in Pike's DNA. He spends most of his teams time on the defensive end, implementing his archaic scrambling D that gets dissected for cuts to the basketball and open 3's by any team with even a partial IQ.
Basketball isn't a mentally challenging sport. It's a non contact 5 on 5 game. As basic as it gets for a team sport. We just don't have the coaches that can teach it. Pike's entire thing is effort and heart. Unfortunately it lacks brains.
We don't run even a basic offense because we don't practice one. It's not in Pike's DNA. He spends most of his teams time on the defensive end, implementing his archaic scrambling D that gets dissected for cuts to the basketball and open 3's by any team with even a partial IQ.
Basketball isn't a mentally challenging sport. It's a non contact 5 on 5 game. As basic as it gets for a team sport. We just don't have the coaches that can teach it. Pike's entire thing is effort and heart. Unfortunately it lacks brains.
I would flip that.
This team is most suited to the style of offense Pike and Knight want/teach.
It's not a coincidence that we are near last in 3pt attempts every single year.
Just bad luck that the roster Pike and Knight put together turned out to be poor shooters?
If they wanted a better offense, they would recruit and prioritize better/more efficient offensive skills.
They don't, so they don't.
They want 1 on 1 players who need the ball and dont really care if they are good shooters or off ball players.
Nobody expects them to have the funds for Xavian Lee.
But I'm sure their were alternatives available than Buchanan or Derkack or JWill or Acuff (all career sub 32% 3pt shooters before coming here that were supposed to be off-ball wings. JWill kept as off-ball wing next to Dylan last year).
I know some derivative of this message is going to be sent out 1000x more this season. But they never cease to amaze me that people actually believe this nonsense.
More than enough talent. Easy to get looks. We don’t practice offense. Not a mentally challenging sports aaaaaaaaaand it’s non contact
.I mean good lord.
Fair points and Shelby doesn’t entirely disagree. It could be chicken and egg. Maybe shooters and team-first guards don’t want to come here.
What Shelby disagrees with is the ridiculous idea that Pike and Knight don’t know offense, can’t teach, etc
Irrelevant
How many mid majors have played RU with little talent but a good system and so many of us RU fans said “wow, that’s what an offense should look like?”
That is true we also had a 1-1 guys for hero shots an now we don’t
But I don’t agree mid range is bad. It’s only when you don’t make them.
however we are shooting decently from 3 so we should take more
Two truths here
with more competent offensive minds the offense would look better… whether the shots would fall has to do with talent which leads to truth #2
this program will not succeed at the level we want simply by having better schemes and coaching … if we can’t bring better talent in here we will always be at the bottom
my consensus having been on this board is that Rutgers fans by and large either don’t agree with NIL, don’t want to adapt to NIL or just simply want to find a way to win in spite of NIL when it’s pretty clear it’s not possible without putting at least one arm around Nil if not both
there’s not a single team at the high major level that is succeeding with minimal to no funding
let’s all get our heads around the fact that we need better scheme and coaching and talent evaluation and some luck with getting funding that seemingly doesn’t exist
with more competent offensive minds the offense would look better… whether the shots would fall has to do with talent which leads to truth #2
this program will not succeed at the level we want simply by having better schemes and coaching … if we can’t bring better talent in here we will always be at the bottom
my consensus having been on this board is that Rutgers fans by and large either don’t agree with NIL, don’t want to adapt to NIL or just simply want to find a way to win in spite of NIL when it’s pretty clear it’s not possible without putting at least one arm around Nil if not both
there’s not a single team at the high major level that is succeeding with minimal to no funding
let’s all get our heads around the fact that we need better scheme and coaching and talent evaluation and some luck with getting funding that seemingly doesn’t exist