This team is struggling...(there are any number of them) and hang onto that for next year, because then the reasons (or excuses) start to dwindle and then we’ll see what kind of coaching staff is employed by WVU. And I know it’s hard to tell with all the losses and lack of progress that’s being shown on the field - but- have a feeling Brown is going to start pulling it together next year. Brown knows how to coach football...his staff seems to have a grasp of the Xs and Os, but it’s just a matter of getting the right Joes on the field.
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Time to play Lowe at QB. We suck anyways. Let him make his mistakes this year, be better down the road. Remember, Pat White wasn't "great" as a freshman.
I wouldn't say there's been a lack of progress on the field. We're getting better but we simply don't have enough talent, depth or experience and plus our schedule has been hard.
Oklahoma and Texas are Oklahoma and Texas. Iowa St is 5-2 and both losses have come against ranked opponents. Missouri is 5-1. Those are our four losses. And our next game is against Baylor, who is 6-0 and winning today.
We're in the big leagues now and we're simultaneously going through a rebuild and a new coaching staff. We could sometimes beat Rutgers and Cincy and UConn under such circumstances but that's now how the Big 12 works.
Really. What White did you watch?
Lowe is not Pat White.
So Lowe is allowed to make mistakes but nobody else is allowed to. Makes perfect sense.
Watching Baylor. Why are they so good and WVU isn’t. Weird. Weren’t they just a dumpster fire down there?
4 years ago.
How to rebuild in 4 years...Your team is in Texas and does have to leave the state to recruit.
Meanwhile WVU is playing walk on players at corner.
Matt Rhule was 1-11 in year 1. Brown has already exceeded that win total Rhule is lucky that Buck isn't AD or his *** would have been fired.
And sharpen his resume'.
Well recruiting is the most important ingredient for coaching at WVU.
Coaching and developing matters. Scheme and play calling matters.
We are vanilla in scheme and play calling. Predictable.
Out executing teams can win you a lot of games at the Sun Belt level or when you are as talented as your opponent.
He's never going to have a team that can just take the field and execute to 12 wins at WVU. Not without signing top 10 recruiting classes.
It's a 3 year rebuild for a 7,8,9 win ceiling. Something we already had.
We are vanilla in scheme and play calling. Predictable.
Out executing teams can win you a lot of games at the Sun Belt level or when you are as talented as your opponent.
He's never going to have a team that can just take the field and execute to 12 wins at WVU. Not without signing top 10 recruiting classes.
It's a 3 year rebuild for a 7,8,9 win ceiling. Something we already had.
I don't know but whoever it is, he sucks and we should fire him before we hire him.
It is cheaper than 4+ million a year guaranteed for those same wins which is what it would've taken to retain Holgorsen. So still a move up by your estimation. Otherwise, who else would you hire? And would that coach be shown the door after less than 1 season if he had a losing record? WVU is committed to this hire for a few seasons as the program will always be. Your assumption of Brown's coaching future are just that. Even if you do turn out to be right, it will still have just been based wild speculation as there is just not enough data on Brown at this time.
Another who has invested in one of those marvelous crystal balls that allows accurate predictions of the future. WOW!! Am I ever so impressed to know we have souls in our presence who have such uncanny skills. "...We will build to a 7,8,9 win ceiling...'. Then we get the snide dagger----",,,something we already had....". Now THAT ranks right up there as one of the greatest votes of confidence and support for a man who has been at the job for less than a year as I have ever heard. Yep, sounds like, in your mind, we simply have moved sidewise when looking for a coach to replace the one who knew he would be fired this season because the stocked talent was minimal and winning was gong to be very tough in this conference. How, on Earth, are you so skilled as to KNOW the outcomes of the next 3 years. WOW!! Oh, I remember, it't that crystal ball providing all the intelligence and expertise. Keep it safe! Cannot afford for such a valued possession to get lost or broken. Such a loss of such would render your renderings but a mere guess and diarrhea of the mouth. After the passage of the three years covered in your predictions we may then conclude that the latter played a larger part in your utterances than the referenced ball.
Pretty clear at this point Brown is unprepared to coach at this level.
Terrible offense. terrible defense and terrible special teams play.
Had he not pushed out a couple dozen players then there woukd be a chance for success,
But he did.
WVU will struggle to win another game this year under this coach.
That puts them way behind the eight ball in recruiting and for next year.
Since the program has regressed so badly so quickly, hard to imagine some dramatic turnaround.
Problem is, WVU was not a bad program before brown came and knocked it down multiple notches.
And the previous staff would win at least 7-8 games this year, maybe would have had a breakout season. Now its back to the drawing board.
Brown needs to make some coordinator changes in the offseason, obvious hiring his buddies isnt working out
Terrible offense. terrible defense and terrible special teams play.
Had he not pushed out a couple dozen players then there woukd be a chance for success,
But he did.
WVU will struggle to win another game this year under this coach.
That puts them way behind the eight ball in recruiting and for next year.
Since the program has regressed so badly so quickly, hard to imagine some dramatic turnaround.
Problem is, WVU was not a bad program before brown came and knocked it down multiple notches.
And the previous staff would win at least 7-8 games this year, maybe would have had a breakout season. Now its back to the drawing board.
Brown needs to make some coordinator changes in the offseason, obvious hiring his buddies isnt working out
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There are two ways WVU can start winning and winning big...
1. Top 10 recruiting. Never has happened and probably never will, no matter who the coach is. This really only applies to the OU's and UT's of the world so for us this is really a pipe dream... or
2. Let experience and depth overcome your lack of talent. To beat an OU or UT, we must have experienced guys who can match their athleticism with our experience. Knowledge is an extra burst of speed and power.
Right now, we have a combination of youth and schematic changes to contend with. More losses are likely coming. Nothing right now too concerning. We are getting that youth some experience while building depth simultaneously (sometimes, regretfully, as a necessity rather than by choice).
If these same problems are happening this time next year, definitely a cause for concern. Only time will tell. Hopefully, next year gets us to that bow invitation. Anything more than that is icing on the cake.
1. Top 10 recruiting. Never has happened and probably never will, no matter who the coach is. This really only applies to the OU's and UT's of the world so for us this is really a pipe dream... or
2. Let experience and depth overcome your lack of talent. To beat an OU or UT, we must have experienced guys who can match their athleticism with our experience. Knowledge is an extra burst of speed and power.
Right now, we have a combination of youth and schematic changes to contend with. More losses are likely coming. Nothing right now too concerning. We are getting that youth some experience while building depth simultaneously (sometimes, regretfully, as a necessity rather than by choice).
If these same problems are happening this time next year, definitely a cause for concern. Only time will tell. Hopefully, next year gets us to that bow invitation. Anything more than that is icing on the cake.
Holgorsen just won 8 games and came within mere points of winning more games and playing for the BIG 12 ccg.
He would have won a minimum of 7 games again this year.
Brown may win 3 games total.
People wanted DH gone because he couldnt dominate the BIG 12, despite being the 2nd winningest coach ever for WVU.
Now WVU fans are supposed to support someone that has dropped WVU from BIG 12 championship caliber down to fcs level?
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As to the excuse of Brown only winning 4 games his first year at Troy as though that is reason for comfort---
It is important to note that Troy only won 3 games the year before he got there.
WVU was not a 2 win program when Neal Brown came in. No reason WVU should have regressed so badly, especially when according to the message board " experts" --anyone could step in and do better immediately.
It is important to note that Troy only won 3 games the year before he got there.
WVU was not a 2 win program when Neal Brown came in. No reason WVU should have regressed so badly, especially when according to the message board " experts" --anyone could step in and do better immediately.
Injuries have infected this team to the point walk on players are now in the games.
Bucky's boyfriend Holgo left the team on thin ice. He would struggle to win as well. Look to Houston for example.
There will be a .500 team here next year then a contender in year 4.
Bucky's boyfriend Holgo left the team on thin ice. He would struggle to win as well. Look to Houston for example.
There will be a .500 team here next year then a contender in year 4.
Holgorsen won 7 games every year but one when qb injuries stifled the offense.
Now, Neal Brown has depleted WVUs roster prior to the season and with his additions.
Every team has injuries in season, but when youve poorly evaluated P5 players and brought in players you valued as a sunbelt program, but have to contend in one of the top conferences in the nation- it catches up to you.
Troll Allen keeps trying to smear me, keeps trying to smear Holgorsen.
Neither one of us coaches or plays under Neal Brown
Holgorsen left the bulk of a team that contended for the BIG 12 just last year, including what experts saud would be the top rb corps in the conference.
Under Brown the team has collapsed and instead of discussing the failures Brown is producing troll Allen is trying to deflect because his ego is simply too ashamed to admit how horribly wrong he has been about his smears, libel and lies.
Much like the disaster confronting our nation at this time.
Now, Neal Brown has depleted WVUs roster prior to the season and with his additions.
Every team has injuries in season, but when youve poorly evaluated P5 players and brought in players you valued as a sunbelt program, but have to contend in one of the top conferences in the nation- it catches up to you.
Troll Allen keeps trying to smear me, keeps trying to smear Holgorsen.
Neither one of us coaches or plays under Neal Brown
Holgorsen left the bulk of a team that contended for the BIG 12 just last year, including what experts saud would be the top rb corps in the conference.
Under Brown the team has collapsed and instead of discussing the failures Brown is producing troll Allen is trying to deflect because his ego is simply too ashamed to admit how horribly wrong he has been about his smears, libel and lies.
Much like the disaster confronting our nation at this time.
Buck says troll yet brings nothing to the table. Who's trolling whom. Left a bulk is questionable but did leave some. Exception of 5 NFL players from the offense that failed to win more than 8 game games. That star studded offense only won a total of 15 games. A 15-10 record is not challenging a Big 12 title. Skylar Howard did more than Will Grier. He was 18-8 and 1-1 in Bowl Games with a 10-3 (7-2). Now that's challenging for the Big 12 title. It was unfortunately that they lost to the #1 and #2 teams in the conference.
Heck Will Grier never had a 10 win season.
Heck Will Grier never had a 10 win season.
Easily searchable all the players that left after Holgorsen and as Brown came in and took over.
Also Brown brought in many of the players himself --more than those that left.
Bottom line--just Like Holgorsen was responsible for what he did with the players he inherited and those he brought in year one ( a rushed entrance as the previous coach had to be removed)-- he won 10 games and won the Big East and won a major bowl in historical fashion over Clemson----
Brown conversely pushed several players out, brought in other players he evaluated and hand picked-- and currently sits at 3-4 with one of the worst offenses in the country, bad special teams and defensive play, critical penalties at critical points-- little to show for WVUs investment as brown learns on the job with his buddies he brought .
Now WVU fans have to suffer as he learns on the job how to coach in a major conference against a major schedule.
Also Brown brought in many of the players himself --more than those that left.
Bottom line--just Like Holgorsen was responsible for what he did with the players he inherited and those he brought in year one ( a rushed entrance as the previous coach had to be removed)-- he won 10 games and won the Big East and won a major bowl in historical fashion over Clemson----
Brown conversely pushed several players out, brought in other players he evaluated and hand picked-- and currently sits at 3-4 with one of the worst offenses in the country, bad special teams and defensive play, critical penalties at critical points-- little to show for WVUs investment as brown learns on the job with his buddies he brought .
Now WVU fans have to suffer as he learns on the job how to coach in a major conference against a major schedule.
Show proof Brown actually pushed the players out. All you have is your BS accusation that players are gone.
Holgorsen teams had massive turnover during his tenure and this was half way through it. According to your claims and definition they must have been pushed out by Holgs. Holgs learned on the job with his buddies he brought in. The defense was a massive flop with Deforest and only slightly improved through the years.
You don't even realize what your saying about Brown is the same results have happened to Holgrosen.
Only thing causing Brown problems is no mystery here. WVU is at a disadvantage in talent and at a HUGE disadvantage in depth. It has guys playing on defense today at positions they had never played before.
Agree this is priority one to be fixed, but it’s not a surprise at all, and nothing magic about it.
So please refrain from being the *** your.
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If Brown coaches WVU for 7 years in the Big 12 and his best season doesn't match winning 8 games and coming within mere points of playing in the Big 12 title game, then I'll agree that Brown isn't the coach that Holgorsen is.