No, you cannot review goaltending. The reason I can think of why is becaus you wouldn't be able to tell whose ball it was, it is as close as any call gets, etc
CBS studio panel (or shown on one of their networks) had the Head of Officiating on for a long discussion and review of the call, who called it and where, etc...and it showed the ref with the worst angle (right even with ball and rim) from almost 30 feet away outside 3 pt line made the call (one ref underneath hoop can't make that call...only other ref was right behind the shooter who raised his arm for 3 pt shot but he did not call goaltending on that call.
and this is why the ref that called it should be ashamed of himself.
The reason Akeem Olajuwon (sp?) did not leap and grab the ball (which was clearly short of the basket) was that he was afraid of being called for a goal-tend. Thus Lorenzo Charles was able to catch it and put it in.
I just do not see how any ref could call that goal-tending. The SMU player went up for the rebound after the ball had bounced away from the rim.
[/QUOTE]Completely wrong? Ummm do you not realize that you literally just agreed with everything I said? As i said before the ball had cleared the ring already at the time it was touched meaning it was below the cylinder. Regardless, it never entered the cylinder at any time to top things off. You need to pay attention better before making a fool of yourself.
Completely wrong? Ummm do you not realize that you literally just agreed with everything I said? As i said before the ball had cleared the ring already at the time it was touched meaning it was below the cylinder. Regardless, it never entered the cylinder at any time to top things off. You need to pay attention better before making a fool of yourself.
[/QUOTE] I actually do not keep saying that the ball needs to be within the cylinder. You are the one who keeps saying that. I said the ball was below the cylinder which it is. In that photo, the ball is already well beyond being tipped back upwards. Me mentioning that it never entered the cylinder in the first place is just a side note indicating that it was a complete and total airball, which it was. Also thats not a good photo because the ball is actually coming down a good 8 inches beyond the far side of the rim and it is NOT above the rim. Not even close You have to actually watch a video in which you see where its coming from and you'll see it come down past the rim before being tipped. If thats the only picture you're looking at then it's no wonder you think its goaltending. If you actually watched the game or any video footage you would know that he caught a blatant airball. The shot attempt was already completed and missed.Originally posted by topdecktiger:
Completely wrong? Ummm do you not realize that you literally just agreed with everything I said? As i said before the ball had cleared the ring already at the time it was touched meaning it was below the cylinder. Regardless, it never entered the cylinder at any time to top things off. You need to pay attention better before making a fool of yourself.
Well first off, the ball doesn't have to enter the cylinder. You keep saying that, and you are wrong. The ball only has to be in a downward motion, and the ball is "above the level of the ring." It doesn't have to be in the cylinder.
The other part where you are wrong is when you said the ball was below the cylinder. Hard to make that claim given this:
Looks an awful lot like it's above the rim to me.
Originally posted by ScarletKnightRider:
I actually do not keep saying that the ball needs to be within the cylinder. You are the one who keeps saying that. I said the ball was below the cylinder which it is. In that photo, the ball is already well beyond being tipped back upwards. Me mentioning that it never entered the cylinder in the first place is just a side note indicating that it was a complete and total airball, which it was. Also thats not a good photo because the ball is actually coming down a good 8 inches beyond the far side of the rim and it is NOT above the rim. Not even close You have to actually watch a video in which you see where its coming from and you'll see it come down past the rim before being tipped. If thats the only picture you're looking at then it's no wonder you think its goaltending. If you actually watched the game or any video footage you would know that he caught a blatant airball. The shot attempt was already completed and missed.
Really? This is your first post:
The ball has to have been touched while within the cylinder with a chance of going in.
This is your second post.
Regardless, it never entered the cylinder at any time to top things off
You clearly said that the ball HAD to be within the cylinder, and it doesn't. So yeah, you did keep saying it, regardless of your backtracking.
That said, you are still wrong.
I said the ball was below the cylinder which it is. In that photo, the ball is already well beyond being tipped back upwards
Wrong. That is a screenshot from the instance the defender's hand initially touched the ball. I paused the video at exactly the point where his hand made contact. That's clearly above the ring.
Also thats not a good photo because the ball is actually coming down a good 8 inches beyond the far side of the rim and it is NOT above the rim.
Two problems here. First, the rule says the ball must be above the "level" ( i.e. plane ) of the ring. It doesn't have to be directly above the rim, just above the "level" of the rim. Also, the ball is not "a good 8 inches" beyond the far side of the rim. Again, another screenshot:
So you are wrong on both counts. It wasn't past the rim. It doesn't matter anyway, because the rule says it only needs to be above the level of the rim.
You have to actually watch a video in which you see where its coming from and you'll see it come down past the rim before being tipped.
No, you are simply wrong. The ball was still above the cylinder when the defender touched the ball.
If you actually watched the game or any video footage you would know that he caught a blatant airball. The shot attempt was already completed and missed.
I did watch the game and videos. I got the first screenshot from the ESPN video, and the second one from the Bleacher Report video. The ball was still above the ring when the defender touched it. Whether or not it was an airball has absolutely nothing to do with it. You are just making things up as you go along.
"No you are simply wrong". Over and over again, followed by zero relevant facts.... haha WOW, some compelling argument youve got there. I do think its adorable how you attempted to put worlds in my mouth however. You've twisted and misinterpreted my posts to the point where this is just comical now. I also gotta say I'm loving the even WORSE camera angle you chose complete with unrecognizable blur in which the ball is UNDERNEATH the rim and you can't even tell if the ball is being touched or not.Originally posted by topdecktiger:
Originally posted by ScarletKnightRider:
I actually do not keep saying that the ball needs to be within the cylinder. You are the one who keeps saying that. I said the ball was below the cylinder which it is. In that photo, the ball is already well beyond being tipped back upwards. Me mentioning that it never entered the cylinder in the first place is just a side note indicating that it was a complete and total airball, which it was. Also thats not a good photo because the ball is actually coming down a good 8 inches beyond the far side of the rim and it is NOT above the rim. Not even close You have to actually watch a video in which you see where its coming from and you'll see it come down past the rim before being tipped. If thats the only picture you're looking at then it's no wonder you think its goaltending. If you actually watched the game or any video footage you would know that he caught a blatant airball. The shot attempt was already completed and missed.
Really? This is your first post:
The ball has to have been touched while within the cylinder with a chance of going in.
This is your second post.
Regardless, it never entered the cylinder at any time to top things off
You clearly said that the ball HAD to be within the cylinder, and it doesn't. So yeah, you did keep saying it, regardless of your backtracking.
That said, you are still wrong.
I said the ball was below the cylinder which it is. In that photo, the ball is already well beyond being tipped back upwards
Wrong. That is a screenshot from the instance the defender's hand initially touched the ball. I paused the video at exactly the point where his hand made contact. That's clearly above the ring.
Also thats not a good photo because the ball is actually coming down a good 8 inches beyond the far side of the rim and it is NOT above the rim.
Two problems here. First, the rule says the ball must be above the "level" ( i.e. plane ) of the ring. It doesn't have to be directly above the rim, just above the "level" of the rim. Also, the ball is not "a good 8 inches" beyond the far side of the rim. Again, another screenshot:
So you are wrong on both counts. It wasn't past the rim. It doesn't matter anyway, because the rule says it only needs to be above the level of the rim.
You have to actually watch a video in which you see where its coming from and you'll see it come down past the rim before being tipped.
No, you are simply wrong. The ball was still above the cylinder when the defender touched the ball.
If you actually watched the game or any video footage you would know that he caught a blatant airball. The shot attempt was already completed and missed.
I did watch the game and videos. I got the first screenshot from the ESPN video, and the second one from the Bleacher Report video. The ball was still above the ring when the defender touched it. Whether or not it was an airball has absolutely nothing to do with it. You are just making things up as you go along.