OT: MD GW
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Only Rutgers has games like this, according to some of our fans. 
C’mon bro.. GW is a much higher level team than Lehigh. I know you know that.Only Rutgers has games like this, according to some of our fans.
GWU is picked to finish 12th in the A 10 pre-season and Maryland is ranked. No. 18. OSU needed a last second shot to beat Akron in their opener. Point is that early in the season **** happens. Avoiding defeat is the key.
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Know before you speak.
Like RU-ROCS said, sh*t happens early in the season. Avoid the bad defeats and move on.
We won’t no much about Lehigh until we see the results of their other games but I’m going to guess that there are pretty good. They’ve got a good point guard, they feed the post nicely and they have good shooters. Maybe it’s the brown uniforms but they remind me of the St. bonaventure team who beat us last year. At least we won this one.
I’m not going to say I don’t I have concerns? We were beaten off the dribble all night long and they ran back door cuts that we couldn’t handle. We were also outmuscled down low and couldn’t block shots (missing Myles). It was only one game, so I’ll wait to really judge Ralph but at my first glance, I think he’s going to struggle in the Big 10. I hope he’s better than he looked yesterday!
I’m not going to say I don’t I have concerns? We were beaten off the dribble all night long and they ran back door cuts that we couldn’t handle. We were also outmuscled down low and couldn’t block shots (missing Myles). It was only one game, so I’ll wait to really judge Ralph but at my first glance, I think he’s going to struggle in the Big 10. I hope he’s better than he looked yesterday!
Tonight I watched UC Riverside shock and beat Arizona State on a three quarter heave with no time left that swished in. It was unbelievable. But hey, only Rutgers plays underdogs close.Only Rutgers has games like this, according to some of our fans.
Maryland didn't have a 3 point shot made in the first half. The announcers on Sirius stated that they couldn't remember Maryland not scoring a 3 pointer in years in a half.
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They’re like 20 spots apart in Kenpom. GW would be a 2 point favorite over Lehigh on a neutral floor
Lehigh hoops has had at least one significant men’s basketball victory. Ask Coach K. GW was a rival for us for many years. Who can forget their rooster of a coach, Newark and Springfield NJ’s Gerry Gimelstob?
The Super Bowl for these mid or low majors is in November and early December and it happens every single year.....and somehow, fans say the same ridiculous thing about "how can this happen".....we even go 4 to 5 months into March Madness and then wonder how Oral Roberts can beat Ohio State, and then act surprised.
This isn't college football where UConn beats Bama on a neutral field as a 7 or 8TD underdog....in college hoops if a team misses a bunch of 3s and your opponent hits a few, the 15 or 16 point favorite ( Maryland) is going to be in a dogfight.
College Basketball is still by far, the most poorly covered sport ever, when it comes to preseason rankings and understanding new or inexperienced talent. GW has TEN new kids on their roster, including 2 kids (Maryland and LSU) that could play at most mid level B1G/Big East/ACC or SEC schools.....Bishop from LSU was another kid, who never was going to get the amount of minutes, as Will Wade, the LSU coach, just continued to "buy out recruiting"....Bishop is a scoring threat, who probably takes a few ill-advised shots, but will get the green light all day at a GW....
These Top 150 to 250 kids that get recruited over at some of these schools like Duke, Kentucky, LSU or other places, just need a year or two to mature and get going. If they land at a place like Iona with a Rick Pitino or another mid major with a Power 5 former Head Coach that knows what he's doing, you are in for a battle.
This isn't college football where UConn beats Bama on a neutral field as a 7 or 8TD underdog....in college hoops if a team misses a bunch of 3s and your opponent hits a few, the 15 or 16 point favorite ( Maryland) is going to be in a dogfight.
College Basketball is still by far, the most poorly covered sport ever, when it comes to preseason rankings and understanding new or inexperienced talent. GW has TEN new kids on their roster, including 2 kids (Maryland and LSU) that could play at most mid level B1G/Big East/ACC or SEC schools.....Bishop from LSU was another kid, who never was going to get the amount of minutes, as Will Wade, the LSU coach, just continued to "buy out recruiting"....Bishop is a scoring threat, who probably takes a few ill-advised shots, but will get the green light all day at a GW....
These Top 150 to 250 kids that get recruited over at some of these schools like Duke, Kentucky, LSU or other places, just need a year or two to mature and get going. If they land at a place like Iona with a Rick Pitino or another mid major with a Power 5 former Head Coach that knows what he's doing, you are in for a battle.
I watched the RU game in person and the UMD-GW game on TV. I think GW would beat Lehigh on most nights, and there is no way GW is going to finish in the bottom half of the A-10 based on what I saw. But yes, the UMD-GW game had a very similar feel to the RU-Lehigh game.
I agree with all of NJ Hawk's points. I think the transfer portal is creating significant parity in D1 college hoops. It's going to become harder and harder to avoid Quad 4 losses.
I agree with all of NJ Hawk's points. I think the transfer portal is creating significant parity in D1 college hoops. It's going to become harder and harder to avoid Quad 4 losses.
I don't think it's surprise that these things happen, it's just that they generally happen to not-very-good teams.
Going back to the 19-20 season (skipping last season because of COVID weirdness), here's every game from a power-6 team against a sub-150 non-power-6 KenPom team that was either a loss, went to OT, or was a 1 or 2 point win:
#28 Rutgers vs. #234 Bryant (W 73-71) - Tournament team (based on Bracket Matrix)
#29 Kentucky vs. #294 Evansville (L 67-64) - Tournament team
#30 Illinois vs. #193 Nicholls (W 78-70 OT) - Tournament team
#40 Providence at #297 Long Beach State (L 66-65) - Tournament team
#40 Providence neutral vs. #170 Charleston (L 63-55) - Tournament team
#57 Notre Dame vs. #152 Toledo (W 64-62 OT)
#63 Arizona State vs. #150 Princeton (W 67-65) - Tournament team
#68 Texas vs. #276 McNeese State (W 73-71)
#69 South Carolina vs. #159 Boston University (L 78-70)
#78 UCLA vs. #263 Cal State Fullerton (L 77-74) - Tournament team
#84 North Carolina vs. #154 Wofford (L 68-64)
#89 Iowa State vs. 314 Florida A&M (L 70-68)
#97 Missouri vs. #318 Charleston Southern (L 68-60)
#103 Wake Forest vs. #299 Columbia(W 65-63)
#103 Wake Forest at #164 Charlotte (L 67-65 OT)
#111 Pittsburgh vs. #193 Nicholls (L 75-70)
#127 Washington State vs. #151 Santa Clara (L 70-62)
#127 Washington State vs. #219 Nebraska Omaha (L 82-71)
#131 Texas A&M vs. #301 Fairfield (L 67-62)
#132 Northwestern vs. #227 Merrimack (L 71-61)
#132 Northwestern vs. #186 Radford (L 67-56)
#132 Northwestern vs. #243 Hartford (L 67-66)
#153 California vs. #151 Santa Clara (L 71-52)
#162 Nebraska vs. #211 UC Riverside (L 66-47)
#162 Nebraska vs. #161 Southern Utah (L 79-78 2OT)
#162 Nebraska neutral vs. #174 George Mason (L 85-66)
#162 Nebraska vs. North Dakota (L 75-74)
So, look, it's not impossible to overcome. But top 25 teams don't play these kinds of games. And when Pikiell is going around saying it's his best team then I don't think it's unreasonable for fans to get the idea that they're fringe top-25 level. A readjustment of expectations is fair IMO.
Look at the teams it's happened to this year: Georgia Tech, Pitt, Cal, Nebraska, Arizona State... nobody thought those teams would be any good.
Congrats to your UCR student (alum now?) son on the big upset over the Sun Devils
Lehigh is definitely a better team that I expected. Also, with all the pre-season hype, we are not nearly as good as advertised right now. It’s only one game but only Cliff looks improved. It looks like time stood still (or worse) regarding many others.
Thanks. He's finishing up a neuroscience major and will take a year off and then apply to medical school.
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