Old State Flag/Capital Eagle

[tbaydog]

Was driving through downtown Jackson over the weekend for the first time in 30 years. On State Street going South, look up and saw the Gold Eagle on top the Capital..... Facing South. Where's the uproar of this versus the old state flag. I do understand/accept the flag uproar.........

 

[anon1787432961]

Texas capital too, installed by the MS National Guard helicopters several years back

In order to do this properly all states would need to point toward Kansas or something, the center of the US, lol

I think South first, South preferred, focus on the South is still ok

 

[GloryDawg]

The eagle is facing south and not north and the reason was South First. Most people do not know or have not noticed. What about the Robert E Lee hotel. It was being used by the State. Do they still use it and is it still called the Robert E Lee hotel. I don't know how true it is and never really looked at the Woolfolk building. I always heard that it has sun flowers on it but it was suppose to have magnolia. The reason why is the guy who designed the building also design another building for the state Kansas and it was suppose to have the sunflower but it ended up with Magnolia flower. Something along that story. Don't know if it is true or not.

 

[Xenomorph]

Dorman Hall faces north. We should probably do something about THAT.

 

[TrueMaroonGrind]

Dorman Hall faces north. We should probably do something about THAT.

Worth the click

 

[Trojanbulldog19]

Dorman Hall faces north. We should probably do something about THAT.

Have a towel whip

 

[karlchilders.sixpack]

Who gives a ****?

I certainly don't!

 

[GloryDawg]

I certainly don't!

Probably no one really. Most don't know it and it's not just the eagle facing south. It's the entire building.

 

[The Fatboy]

This was very common with southern courthouses and capital buildings

 

[Reunion Dog]

True about Woolfolk building. Use to work in there... Prior to redoing building they had old time elevators that actually had folks to operate them... Would close the gate behind you and open for you... Yes Robert E. Lee building still used by State... At one time was a grand a hotel as the King Edward and The Peabody...

 

[GloryDawg]

This was very common with southern courthouses and capital buildings

Funny how a lot of people still calls it the New Capital. It was built around 1905 or so.

 

[horshack.sixpack]

I wonder if any other state converts old hotels into poorly conceived office space for state agencies at the rate that MS does?

 

[wsjmsu75]

I wonder if any other state converts old hotels into poorly conceived office space for state agencies at the rate that MS does?

i know all about that. Worked at MDHS, as an IT contractor, for about 24 years at their state office in what used to be the Sheraton Hotel on State Street. The place was a dump, and that's putting it mildly. Before I retired, they moved the majority of personnel (including me) to a different downtown office building.

 

[maroonmadman]

I wonder if any other state converts old hotels into poorly conceived office space for state agencies at the rate that MS does?

If they didn't then The Mayflower would be the ONLY reason to go to downtown Jackson.

 

[horshack.sixpack]

Small world. I've worked with them in both buildings as well. The move to the new was...abrupt...

 

[johnson86-1]

I wonder if any other state converts old hotels into poorly conceived office space for state agencies at the rate that MS does?

Kind of a hijack, but how many states manage to have a ****** capital city despite the advantages of having the seat of state government located there?

Haven't spent much time in Montgomery and it's been a while, but it seemed similar to Jackson. Haven't really spent time in downtown Baton Rouge. The only part of Tallahasee I've been in seemed like a **** hole but haven't seen enough to be a fair judge. Is it common to manage to have all that money flowing through and still not have something nice for it? I mean, I guess a lot of the jobs tend to not be great paying, but they're still solid and stable jobs. Seems like it would be pretty hard to not manage a decent area around the capital and government buildings with those advantages, but maybe I'm missing something.

 

[wsjmsu75]

Small world. I've worked with them in both buildings as well. The move to the new was...abrupt...

Interesting. What agency division did you work in?

 

[horshack.sixpack]

Project based IT consultant. Various services and equipment. Had a cube on the first floor on state street for a while.

 

[horshack.sixpack]

View attachment 19357 -Little Rock

 

[RotorHead]

Kind of a hijack, but how many states manage to have a ****** capital city despite the advantages of having the seat of state government located there?

Haven't spent much time in Montgomery and it's been a while, but it seemed similar to Jackson. Haven't really spent time in downtown Baton Rouge. The only part of Tallahasee I've been in seemed like a **** hole but haven't seen enough to be a fair judge. Is it common to manage to have all that money flowing through and still not have something nice for it? I mean, I guess a lot of the jobs tend to not be great paying, but they're still solid and stable jobs. Seems like it would be pretty hard to not manage a decent area around the capital and government buildings with those advantages, but maybe I'm missing something.

Can't speak to other Capitals, Montgomery is very similar to Jackson. Nothing but shadows of the past when driving through them. The topic of Jackson is a sore spot for me as I sit outside the city limits and watch the leadership pound it into the ground. Growing up around Jackson was one thing, now that I've lived in other areas, I was slightly sad that I had to move back. Not even that I've lived in major cities (except San Diego), everywhere has ****** spots within downtown (except HSV). But when the city government is more 17ing concerned with a zoo or having more parks/recreational areas and less concerned about the plethora of other plagues choking the city...I have no sympathy. Jackson will not be resuscitated until a major paradigm shift occurs within, more than likely have to be from the bottom up. And, lesbehonest....that's not going to happen anytime soon.

 

[Mobile Bay]

Kind of a hijack, but how many states manage to have a ****** capital city despite the advantages of having the seat of state government located there?

Haven't spent much time in Montgomery and it's been a while, but it seemed similar to Jackson. Haven't really spent time in downtown Baton Rouge. The only part of Tallahasee I've been in seemed like a **** hole but haven't seen enough to be a fair judge. Is it common to manage to have all that money flowing through and still not have something nice for it? I mean, I guess a lot of the jobs tend to not be great paying, but they're still solid and stable jobs. Seems like it would be pretty hard to not manage a decent area around the capital and government buildings with those advantages, but maybe I'm missing something.

Growing up here Montgomery was nice. But then the old mayor retired. The one who would have employed Robocop if he could. After that people started leaving for Prattville, and later Wetumpka and Millbrook. It's to the point now where I have more coworkers that live in Auburn than live in Montgomery. Those folks mostly voted republican. So over time the city police force became less and less funded, less and less supported, understaffed and demoralized. Now crime has gotten ridiculous. Don't believe the stats. The last administration did a lot of handwaving to try and hide how bad it is. The new mayor is a narcissistic jackass and the son of quite possibly the most corrupt person in the history of Alabama. So it's only going to get worse.

And when Richard Shelby leaves office, I fully expect them to close our Air Force base because it's falling down around itself. Which would be the end.

Baton Rouge is nice IMO. Tallahassee isn't bad. But it's **** hole areas are real dumps. I stayed in an Air BnB near campus when we last played in a regional there. It reminded me of the pre Dan Camp Cotton District.

 

[wsjmsu75]

Project based IT consultant. Various services and equipment. Had a cube on the first floor on state street for a while.

Wow. Did you ever have any involvement with Maverics? That was the eligibility application I was assigned to, for analysis and programming support.

 

[Mobile Bay]

I wonder if any other state converts old hotels into poorly conceived office space for state agencies at the rate that MS does?

Not Alabama. Here the state retirement fund builds super nice buildings and rents them back to the state.

 

[UpTheMiddlex3Punt]

And when Richard Shelby leaves office, I fully expect them to close our Air Force base because it's falling down around itself. Which would be the end.

Not expecting a lot out of our new savant senator, Tommy Tuberville?

 

[GloryDawg]

Kind of a hijack, but how many states manage to have a ****** capital city despite the advantages of having the seat of state government located there?

Haven't spent much time in Montgomery and it's been a while, but it seemed similar to Jackson. Haven't really spent time in downtown Baton Rouge. The only part of Tallahasee I've been in seemed like a **** hole but haven't seen enough to be a fair judge. Is it common to manage to have all that money flowing through and still not have something nice for it? I mean, I guess a lot of the jobs tend to not be great paying, but they're still solid and stable jobs. Seems like it would be pretty hard to not manage a decent area around the capital and government buildings with those advantages, but maybe I'm missing something.

Just like a lot of large cities. The tax base has moved to suburbs. Also most State Capitals are separate entities than the cities "They are in the city but not part of the city". Many have own police force and give money the city for fire protection and road work.

 

[NTDawg]

The front of the building is the south side the and the north is the back of the building. Just saying

 

[CookieMonster.sixpack]

And when Richard Shelby leaves office, I fully expect them to close our Air Force base because it's falling down around itself. Which would be the end.

As long as the air war college is at Maxwell, it will not be closed. Pretty much anyone who wants to be anything in the air force spends a little time in Montgomery.

 

[Mobile Bay]

Not expecting a lot out of our new savant senator, Tommy Tuberville?

I expect he will do better than expected. Word I hear is he is a face for the Bob Riley machine.

 

[Mobile Bay]

As long as the air war college is at Maxwell, it will not be closed. Pretty much anyone who wants to be anything in the air force spends a little time in Montgomery.

Except it's having a hard time getting instructors. The base school is only like k-4 or something. After that the Montgomery public schools are basically warzones except for the magnet programs. The problem is with the magnet programs it's almost impossible to get in them except in 1st, 7th, or 10th grade (HS starts at tenth grade in Montgomery)

Most that come leave their kids at home. Those that do bring them don't live in Montgomery.

Because of this there has been serious talk of moving the schools there including Air War College and Air Command and Staff College.

 

[UpTheMiddlex3Punt]

I expect he will do better than expected. Word I hear is he is a face for the Bob Riley machine.

It's his mouth that I'm worried more about.

 

[maroonmadman]

Just like a lot of large cities. The tax base has moved to suburbs. Also most State Capitals are separate entities than the cities "They are in the city but not part of the city". Many have own police force and give money the city for fire protection and road work.

It isn't just the tax base moving to the suburbs, look out on Hwy. 80, N State St., and Boling St. Lots of former industry with shuttered doors. Presto, Westinghouse, Armstrong, Frito-Lay all used to have plants in Jackson bringing in jobs and revenue. Most of these starting leaving after NAFTA went into effect. if Jackson is to recover then it needs to attract some industry.

 

[RotorHead]

I'm not as business minded as some of you savvy individuals, but if I were the head of a corporation looking to branch out, Jackson would quickly find itself in the "no" pile.

 

[Mobile Bay]

It's his mouth that I'm worried more about.

You can say all sorts of dumb stuff and keep your job as a republican in Alabama. Don't believe me, ask Roy Moore.

 

[RocketDawg]

And the RTJ golf trail, and they even own a skyscraper in Manhattan.

 

[RocketDawg]

I expect he will do better than expected. Word I hear is he is a face for the Bob Riley machine.

He would almost have to do better than expected. The only Republican who couldn't have beat the incumbent was Roy Moore.