O-line - Back to getting mean

[putemintheaisles]

I’ve replayed every game the last few seasons to watch our o-line and let’s be honest, I don’t know if it’s the scheme but they played soft. Cam Jurgens despite his snapping issues did play to the whistle and put guys on their backs.

I hope Riola is showing the current lineman old tape on what it meant to be a road grater at NU. Teams were scared and commented on how vicious our lineman of the past were.

Say what you want about incognito but we need some players who do take every snap with that ferocity.

I’m sick of the patty cake sh*t and on the second level put linebackers and safeties planted on their backs. Our running backs would run wild.

 

[LoudHogRider]

I’ve replayed every game the last few seasons to watch our o-line and let’s be honest, I don’t know if it’s the scheme but they played soft. Cam Jurgens despite his snapping issues did play to the whistle and put guys on their backs.

I hope Riola is showing the current lineman old tape on what it meant to be a road grater at NU. Teams were scared and commented on how vicious our lineman of the past were.

Say what you want about incognito but we need some players who do take every snap with that ferocity.

I’m sick of the patty cake sh*t and on the second level put linebackers and safeties planted on their backs. Our running backs would run wild.

 

[putemintheaisles]

 

[Pennsyhusker_rivals246774]

I’ve replayed every game the last few seasons to watch our o-line and let’s be honest, I don’t know if it’s the scheme but they played soft. Cam Jurgens despite his snapping issues did play to the whistle and put guys on their backs.

I hope Riola is showing the current lineman old tape on what it meant to be a road grater at NU. Teams were scared and commented on how vicious our lineman of the past were.

Say what you want about incognito but we need some players who do take every snap with that ferocity.

I’m sick of the patty cake sh*t and on the second level put linebackers and safeties planted on their backs. Our running backs would run wild.

I think there is some truth in what you say here. Obviously something has been missing. Talent? Coaching? Motivation? Culture? All of the above? My money is on the "all of the above" option. The fact is, teams like Texas and Miami prove that you can load up with talented four and five star guys, but if the coaching, culture, motivation and self-discipline are not there, you are going to be very mediocre. Football is truly a team sport and the chemistry that goes into building a winning team involves an across the board mentality in the program devoted to every aspect of the program. And that includes more than a commitment to facilities and coaching and recruiting. It includes all of the aspects of the program, including the intangibles, that a guy like Osborne was a genius at finessing. My gut tells me that Frost is not bad as an "X's" and "O's" kind of coach. My gut tells me he can talk some **** and recruit halfway decently. He certainly did at the start. My gut tells me he can coach technique. But my gut also tells me that, so far, he is lousy as a "program builder" who can generate team chemistry, culture, discipline, and the motivation that comes from pride in being a part of THIS program like the Huskers of old. That to me is why our "pipeline" was good. They developed themselves into All American offensive lineman because they had a fire in their belly for THIS team and THIS program and THESE coaches. I do not think Frost has done this part of his job well at all. In fact, I think he sucks at it. His teams play like an aggregate of individuals all out for personal gain. His teams do not play with pride in the program. His teams do not play as a team. And damn it, if there is any part of the team that will fall apart in a heartbeat if they do not play together cohesively as a unit, it is the offensive line.

 

[putemintheaisles]

I think there is some truth in what you say here. Obviously something has been missing. Talent? Coaching? Motivation? Culture? All of the above? My money is on the "all of the above" option. The fact is, teams like Texas and Miami prove that you can load up with talented four and five star guys, but if the coaching, culture, motivation and self-discipline are not there, you are going to be very mediocre. Football is truly a team sport and the chemistry that goes into building a winning team involves an across the board mentality in the program devoted to every aspect of the program. And that includes more than a commitment to facilities and coaching and recruiting. It includes all of the aspects of the program, including the intangibles, that a guy like Osborne was a genius at finessing. My gut tells me that Frost is not bad as an "X's" and "O's" kind of coach. My gut tells me he can talk some **** and recruit halfway decently. He certainly did at the start. My gut tells me he can coach technique. But my gut also tells me that, so far, he is lousy as a "program builder" who can generate team chemistry, culture, discipline, and the motivation that comes from pride in being a part of THIS program like the Huskers of old. That to me is why our "pipeline" was good. They developed themselves into All American offensive lineman because they had a fire in their belly for THIS team and THIS program and THESE coaches. I do not think Frost has done this part of his job well at all. In fact, I think he sucks at it. His teams play like an aggregate of individuals all out for personal gain. His teams do not play with pride in the program. His teams do not play as a team. And damn it, if there is any part of the team that will fall apart in a heartbeat if they do not play together cohesively as a unit, it is the offensive line.

This is literally 100% my exact feelings. Thank you for saying what needs to be said. I honestly think Coach Frost should read your comment and look in the mirror after his disappointing tenure. I think he's been humbled a bit, but my god it's now or never, which sucks as he was apart of those great and culture.

All of this wild west NIL crap is changing the landscape of course, but if we get back our identity, confidence, swagger etc, especially on the o-line & d-line watch out.

Kids today of course don't know the history, tradition and pride that once came with playing for the Huskers. The blackshirts, o-line and running backs of old should be a marketing tool and model put in place today.

I hope we can get back to being the place the best o-lineman, running back U, and defenders want to come and with the old school mentality and win some damn football games.

 

[Husker Sledge]

No more dancing bears and patty cake blocking.

 

[putemintheaisles]

Now this is what I miss.

https://youtube.com/clip/Ugkx6ReWVE5qWdS5H_edLb_ThhAXVBRbZcY2

 

[goldencohusker]

I'm not a big x's and o's guy, but find it hard to believe an offensive scheme exists that doesn't require O-lineman to be mean and ferocious in order to be successful. The fact that our OL has lacked that for the past 4 years has to fall squarely at Frost's feet. Its hard to envision the team's W-L record will improve enough without significantly improved OL play this year to give him another year at the helm.

 

[HominidHusker]

It’s now more well documented, but I remember hearing the first grumblings of it a couple years ago: Frost respected Austin, but they were at odds sometimes on philosophy.

Some will say Frost should have made the swap sooner. But setting aside any untimeliness, it will be interesting to see what any change in philosophy yields in terms of results.

It’s a crucial year. I’m not certain we have the guys to pull it off, but I really hope Raiola can make things happen….
…since apparently he’s not good for recruiting family members to Lincoln.

 

[TruHusker]

All one had to do was watch the games, both at UCF and Nebraska. If that didn't tell you something, then the stats should. If that doesn't ring any bells, listen to current players compare the past to the present.

The O line, apparently, relied on allowing the D to make the first move and then use that momentum to take the guy where you want to. Over the past 4 years there has been very little second level blocking so we padded the stats of opposing middle LBs. We seemed to rely on.deception and getting people out of position which worked at UCF but not so much in the B1G.

Raiola is teaching to explode off the ball and engage and drive the opposition. This creates a hole/running lane differently than Austin's system. We will see how it works practically. I was sick of watching this mess in year one and was surprised at how many people were making excuses.

 

[RedCap_rivals330392]

I’ve replayed every game the last few seasons to watch our o-line and let’s be honest, I don’t know if it’s the scheme but they played soft. Cam Jurgens despite his snapping issues did play to the whistle and put guys on their backs.

I hope Riola is showing the current lineman old tape on what it meant to be a road grater at NU. Teams were scared and commented on how vicious our lineman of the past were.

Say what you want about incognito but we need some players who do take every snap with that ferocity.

I’m sick of the patty cake sh*t and on the second level put linebackers and safeties planted on their backs. Our running backs would run wild.

The odd thing is that Austin supposedly had a good rep as an up and comer coach when he arrived. But sadly I was never impressed with his results at NU. The results didn't match the hype. Guess maybe he wasn't as great against B1G DL competition.

 

[HUSKERFAN66]

I think there is some truth in what you say here. Obviously something has been missing. Talent? Coaching? Motivation? Culture? All of the above? My money is on the "all of the above" option. The fact is, teams like Texas and Miami prove that you can load up with talented four and five star guys, but if the coaching, culture, motivation and self-discipline are not there, you are going to be very mediocre. Football is truly a team sport and the chemistry that goes into building a winning team involves an across the board mentality in the program devoted to every aspect of the program. And that includes more than a commitment to facilities and coaching and recruiting. It includes all of the aspects of the program, including the intangibles, that a guy like Osborne was a genius at finessing. My gut tells me that Frost is not bad as an "X's" and "O's" kind of coach. My gut tells me he can talk some **** and recruit halfway decently. He certainly did at the start. My gut tells me he can coach technique. But my gut also tells me that, so far, he is lousy as a "program builder" who can generate team chemistry, culture, discipline, and the motivation that comes from pride in being a part of THIS program like the Huskers of old. That to me is why our "pipeline" was good. They developed themselves into All American offensive lineman because they had a fire in their belly for THIS team and THIS program and THESE coaches. I do not think Frost has done this part of his job well at all. In fact, I think he sucks at it. His teams play like an aggregate of individuals all out for personal gain. His teams do not play with pride in the program. His teams do not play as a team. And damn it, if there is any part of the team that will fall apart in a heartbeat if they do not play together cohesively as a unit, it is the offensive line.

Unfortunately the chemistry is what concerns me the most especially with NIL. However an o lineman should get plenty of NIL $$ from people old enough to appreciate "fat and nasty ".. .yes I know that slogan was basically a DL thing

 

[king_kong_]

Unfortunately the chemistry is what concerns me the most especially with NIL. However an o lineman should get plenty of NIL $$ from people old enough to appreciate "fat and nasty ".. .yes I know that slogan was basically a DL thing

this is yet another facet of NIL that I believe will actually help Nebraska, which has not truly embraced a traditional college football culture in 20 years. in fact, our culture/chemistry has been a complete joke for a large bulk of that time.

perhaps with the kids NIL has opened us up to, we can finally build an identity based on the here, now and tomorrow instead of standing in the shadows of giants of yore who laid the foundation of Nebraska Football in an age that couldn't be farther from today's game.

day by day!

 

[cubsker_rivals142943]

I always felt our blitz pickup was just awful under GA. It screamed coaching issue.

 

[SeaOfRed75]

A lot of the above and much more vitamin S.

 

[VictoryRed]

We all miss the old days and till that part of us comes back, we will always be a "use to be" program.

 

[InMotion]

I've said it before and I'll say it again. Build them a "linemen house". Big toilets, showers, beds.. etc. You come to Nebraska as a lineman and you get treated like a king. Separate the OL and DL with a mini field in the middle. It would be a big recruiting tool.

 

[Wyldcard]

It’s now more well documented, but I remember hearing the first grumblings of it a couple years ago: Frost respected Austin, but they were at odds sometimes on philosophy.

Some will say Frost should have made the swap sooner. But setting aside any untimeliness, it will be interesting to see what any change in philosophy yields in terms of results.

It’s a crucial year. I’m not certain we have the guys to pull it off, but I really hope Raiola can make things happen….
…since apparently he’s not good for recruiting family members to Lincoln.

Back after the Michigan last year, Frost and Austin almost got into a knockdown drag out fight and this wasn't the 1st time that Frosty had words with Austin as Austin was totally in the wrong and it's happened a few times over the last couple of years but the almost knock down dragout last year was the 1st time that happened.

 

[HominidHusker]

Back after the Michigan last year, Frost and Austin almost got into a knockdown drag out fight and this wasn't the 1st time that Frosty had words with Austin as Austin was totally in the wrong and it's happened a few times over the last couple of years but the almost knock down dragout last year was the 1st time that happened.

Perhaps hyperbole, but I picture part of an interaction like that going something like:

SF: Hey we need your guys to block somebody in pass pro and hold it longer than 1/2 a second.
GA: Hard to block for a QB who won’t stay in the pocket and needs over 4 seconds to make a decision.

GA: Why do you keep giving all the carries to the guy who fumbles the most?
SF: Cus apparently we need to use our RB to help open up holes.

(…and… scene)

 

[TruHusker]

The odd thing is that Austin supposedly had a good rep as an up and comer coach when he arrived. But sadly I was never impressed with his results at NU. The results didn't match the hype. Guess maybe he wasn't as great against B1G DL competition.

Where did this "good rep" come from? He came with all of the other assistant coaches in the package. I don't recall his name being mentioned on a national lists for turning out OL talent unless I missed something.

It seems plausible that Frost wanted to borrow a page from Tom's playbook - keep your current and faithful assistants together and improve the team through coaching consistency. That is a good standard/goal and may have worked well in the American conference but it certainly did not produce in the B1G.

It is well documented that the O Frost cut his teeth on at Oregon performed well until it came up against teams with more athleticism. That is understandable and usually how it always works. However, from watching some of Frost's UCF teams, much of the success on O was due to putting the D in bad positions, not necessarily from running them over and blocking extremely well.

It "could" be that Frost is turning the page with the new coaching hires and we will see the improvements both in play and on the number of wins. It is way beyond comprehension that Nebraska has been this bad for so long, I can't believe anyone could have seen this coming. Frankly, we are a laughing stock and deserve all the negative comments we receive until this gets turned around - when and if.

 

[Wyldcard]

Perhaps hyperbole, but I picture part of an interaction like that going something like:

SF: Hey we need your guys to block somebody in pass pro and hold it longer than 1/2 a second.
GA: Hard to block for a QB who won’t stay in the pocket and needs over 4 seconds to make a decision.

GA: Why do you keep giving all the carries to the guy who fumbles the most?
SF: Cus apparently we need to use our RB to help open up holes.

(…and… scene)

The last few were yelling matches as to say. There was nothing pleasant in those interactions coming from Frost and don't blame him one bit. Austin even got lippy when Frost told him that Teddy and Nourdin we're going to start.

 

[inWV]

Clearly Frost thought that there was better play possible from the room, but didn't feel strongly enough about it until last season. With the additional season of age, the return of Teddy and the addition of two portal guys who started multiple games for their previous schools, overall line competence should be better. If play is markedly better, it will be fair to chalk it up to coaching.

 

[rrthusker]

I’ve seen angrier women shopping at Hy Vee than we have in our OL lately.

 

[TruHusker]

Lots of talk about chemistry in the program. That can vary from year to year with additions and departures. I have seen it change dramatically even on HS teams. As a coach you never know exactly what to expect.

The one thing I have learned is the outsiders generally have no clue what is really going on inside the program.

 

[Rhule Szn]

I've said it before and I'll say it again. Build them a "linemen house". Big toilets, showers, beds.. etc. You come to Nebraska as a lineman and you get treated like a king. Separate the OL and DL with a mini field in the middle. It would be a big recruiting tool.

I like this. I like it a lot. Lineman U

 

[inthedeed]

get them some jump ropes to improve their coordination and speed. just watching the oline as a whole is quite painful. slow motion and uncoordination galore. they look like they are playing in cement shoes. big and muscle bound is meaningless if you cant move your feet in a balanced and quick manner.

 

[putemintheaisles]

Lots of talk about chemistry in the program. That can vary from year to year with additions and departures. I have seen it change dramatically even on HS teams. As a coach you never know exactly what to expect.

The one thing I have learned is the outsiders generally have no clue what is really going on inside the program.

I think you’re totally right. As a former player as well, culture and team moral may be 60-70% of success no matter how many star athletes are on the team.

 

[putemintheaisles]

I've said it before and I'll say it again. Build them a "linemen house". Big toilets, showers, beds.. etc. You come to Nebraska as a lineman and you get treated like a king. Separate the OL and DL with a mini field in the middle. It would be a big recruiting tool.

Honestly, that is a great idea as far as really making the o-line and d-line a major priority and give them recognition.

with all the NIL stuff going on whoever is in the marketing department should be making strategic plans right now.

 

[putemintheaisles]

get them some jump ropes to improve their coordination and speed. just watching the oline as a whole is quite painful. slow motion and uncoordination galore. they look like they are playing in cement shoes. big and muscle bound is meaningless if you cant move your feet in a balanced and quick manner.

This what I noticed. Our tackles literally stand stiff and tall against average pash rushers.. it’s like okay our tackle maybe 6’7” 315 lbs but that doesn’t equate to sh*t if they can’t move and get pad level low.

I always thought it should be mandatory lineman have a wrestling background to understand leverage.

 

[HominidHusker]

I know Corcoran was young and coming off fall camp injury, but we had two HS All-American tackles who were amongst the worst in the land, and a HS All American (TE moved to C) who became a 2nd round pick.
All things considered we had three former All Americans starting and failed to produce much as an OL group.

I hope this points to a window of opportunity for coaching (w/ one more year of player tenure) to be the difference.
Replacing a second rounder is still a tall order for a unit that needs to improve overall.

 

[HominidHusker]

This what I noticed. Our tackles literally stand stiff and tall against average pash rushers.. it’s like okay our tackle maybe 6’7” 315 lbs but that doesn’t equate to sh*t if they can’t move and get pad level low.

I always thought it should be mandatory lineman have a wrestling background to understand leverage.

Unfortunately, Benhart does have that background.

 

[redwine65]

we need to forget anything before 2001.....it a new century where pass happy rules...so lets do the nil thing big to get the best pass happy we can get

 

[TFrazier_rivals269992]

 

[Jamsand88]

This what I noticed. Our tackles literally stand stiff and tall against average pash rushers.. it’s like okay our tackle maybe 6’7” 315 lbs but that doesn’t equate to sh*t if they can’t move and get pad level low.

I always thought it should be mandatory lineman have a wrestling background to understand leverage.

Benhart was a state championship wrestler in Minnesota for 4 years.. in states biggest class..he just moved like Frankenstein because that’s the way he was coached!
Hopefully new techniques will be instilled and he can play at level of the 4 star he was recruited as!

 

[putemintheaisles]

we need to forget anything before 2001.....it a new century where pass happy rules...so lets do the nil thing big to get the best pass happy we can get

Who do we have that are true diehard billionaire donors like Boon-Pickens OSU and Phil knight at Oregon?

Our billionaires like Buffet, Walter Scott, the Lauritzens, Yanny, Blumpkin, donate to UNMC which is amazing, but not to NU football.

 

[GarysPlace]

Boy have things changed, Nebraska was so dominating. If only we could repeat!

 

[putemintheaisles]

Benhart was a state championship wrestler in Minnesota for 4 years.. in states biggest class..he just moved like Frankenstein because that’s the way he was coached!
Hopefully new techniques will be instilled and he can play at level of the 4 star he was recruited as!

I didn’t know he wrestled, thank you for pointing that out. If he was a state champion wrestler in MN, that shows even more it’s a coaching issue.. damn Viking blood up there lol

 

[Jamsand88]

Benhart was a state championship wrestler in Minnesota for 4 years.. in states biggest class..he just moved like Frankenstein because that’s the way he was coached!
Hopefully new techniques will be instilled and he can play at level of the 4 star he was recruited as!

https://omaha.com/sports/college/hu...cle_f4c25c5d-706b-5e31-aa1e-c1d0f01de292.html

 

[Jamsand88]

I didn’t know he wrestled, thank you for pointing that out. If he was a state champion wrestler in MN, that shows even more it’s a coaching issue.. damn Viking blood up there lol

Definitely coaching! Pretty sure the new captain will get the ship straighten out!

 

[Jamsand88]

Definitely coaching! Pretty sure the new captain will get the ship straighten out!

Viking analogy..