No-Fly List

rog1187

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sorry but I'm walking back my support of utilizing the no-fly list as a means-test to determine who (and who should not) be allowed to purchase guns. The criteria to be added to the list is vague and broad...the means to get yourself removed is insufficient and lacks the due process.
 

Mntneer

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sorry but I'm walking back my support of utilizing the no-fly list as a means-test to determine who (and who should not) be allowed to purchase guns. The criteria to be added to the list is vague and broad...the means to get yourself removed is insufficient and lacks the due process.

They need to revise the no-fly list itself. They need appeal processes and it needs to go through judicial reviews.
 

DvlDog4WVU

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sorry but I'm walking back my support of utilizing the no-fly list as a means-test to determine who (and who should not) be allowed to purchase guns. The criteria to be added to the list is vague and broad...the means to get yourself removed is insufficient and lacks the due process.
Not to mention, the DNC is basically racially profiling and discriminating against people and denying Constitutionally protected freedoms because they are practicing their faith.
 

WVUBRU

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Not to mention, the DNC is basically racially profiling and discriminating against people and denying Constitutionally protected freedoms because they are practicing their faith.
huh? I respect rog for having an open mind, reviewing the situation and coming to a conclusion and changing a position based on an honest evaluation. Don't agree but can understand and respect it. This comment you made is ridiculous. The policy has nothing to do with the DNC. The no fly list is not made up solely of one race or religion or type of people other than a type that has something in their background that might make them suspicious. You've made a lot of good points with posts lately; this is not one of them.
 

DvlDog4WVU

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The policy has nothing to do with the DNC.

The no fly list is not made up solely of one race or religion or type of people other than a type that has something in their background that might make them suspicious.
What religion are the individuals who are predominantly on that list do you think?

What law have they broken? (Rhetorical)

Were they afforded Due Process?

How did they get on the list? When you stop and think about this aspect of it, the majority of it will be them exercising their 1st amendment right.

How does one get off of the list?

Who controls the list?

Since we can assume the majority of folks on this list are likely to be Muslim, do you not think this plan is flawed and likely to be smashed by SCOTUS?
 

WVUBRU

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What religion are the individuals who are predominantly on that list do you think?

What law have they broken? (Rhetorical)

Were they afforded Due Process?

How did they get on the list? When you stop and think about this aspect of it, the majority of it will be them exercising their 1st amendment right.

How does one get off of the list?

Who controls the list?

Since we can assume the majority of folks on this list are likely to be Muslim, do you not think this plan is flawed and likely to be smashed by SCOTUS?
You took a quote from a journalist that is accurate and put your own spin on it and deemed your spin as fact. That is the problem. You made something up that isn't fully factual. It is an agenda driven drivel that is what is making this country worse.
 

bornaneer

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It is an agenda driven drivel that is what is making this country worse.
I think we can both agree that this is true of all political parties,different ideologies,media perspective as well as religions.
 

DvlDog4WVU

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You took a quote from a journalist that is accurate and put your own spin on it and deemed your spin as fact. That is the problem. You made something up that isn't fully factual. It is an agenda driven drivel that is what is making this country worse.
Way to not answer any of my questions. And what is my spin? You said it had nothing to do with the DNC, I showed you where the DNC lawmakers were calling for the vote.

I'm sorry if you don't like the reality of something you are supportive of, I'm also sorry that I've done a lot more research on the who's, the how's, and the why's of the watch list. You realize you can make the list for nothing more than attending the same mosque as a known terrorist? If this isn't racially and religious profiling, I dont know what is.
 

WVUBRU

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Way to not answer any of my questions. And what is my spin? You said it had nothing to do with the DNC, I showed you where the DNC lawmakers were calling for the vote.

I'm sorry if you don't like the reality of something you are supportive of, I'm also sorry that I've done a lot more research on the who's, the how's, and the why's of the watch list. You realize you can make the list for nothing more than attending the same mosque as a known terrorist? If this isn't racially and religious profiling, I dont know what is.
I don't need to answer your questions as I am responding to your initial post of attempting to pass on a half truth as fact and the questions are not relevant to my point. I'm not interested in that discussion you are now trying to save face on my criticism.
 

wvu2007

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I don't need to answer your questions as I am responding to your initial post of attempting to pass on a half truth as fact and the questions are not relevant to my point. I'm not interested in that discussion you are now trying to save face on my criticism.

You can't answer them.
 

DvlDog4WVU

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I don't need to answer your questions as I am responding to your initial post of attempting to pass on a half truth as fact and the questions are not relevant to my point. I'm not interested in that discussion you are now trying to save face on my criticism.
BWHAHAHAHAA, saving face, the whole premise of your post (The DNC has nothing to do with this) went up in flames with my posting of the tweet. I'm sorry if you don't like the fact that you are supporting racism and moreover, it's at the expense of the Constitutionally protected freedoms. Trump talked about being a racist, you guys are trying to enact legislation proving it.
 

WVUBRU

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BWHAHAHAHAA, saving face, the whole premise of your post (The DNC has nothing to do with this) went up in flames with my posting of the tweet. I'm sorry if you don't like the fact that you are supporting racism and moreover, it's at the expense of the Constitutionally protected freedoms. Trump talked about being a racist, you guys are trying to enact legislation proving it.
You have such an issue in understanding words and sentences for what they are. By the time words go into your ears, they get twisted to something they are not by the time it gets to whatever is in that noggin. I guess that is who you are are.
 

wvu2007

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You have such an issue in understanding words and sentences for what they are. By the time words go into your ears, they get twisted to something they are not by the time it gets to whatever is in that noggin. I guess that is who you are are.

You called him out for saying that the DNC was pushing this legislation. He then posted a link that proved that the DNC is pushing it. He owned you, end of story.
 

WVUBRU

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You called him out for saying that the DNC was pushing this legislation. He then posted a link that proved that the DNC is pushing it. He owned you, end of story.
You are simply too dumb to have an adult conversation. If you read his post, I am calling him out for accusing the DNC for racially profiling and discriminating without regard to the truth of the matter. Then you two are both twisting words into something that isn't on point. The point being made is the DNC is not racially profiling or discriminating based on religion. The questions posed do not address that false point but they do lead to a more honest discussion on my point that not all being put on the list are dark skin or muslim. Now go back to your ignorant hole eating ****.
 

bornaneer

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DvlDog4WVU

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You are simply too dumb to have an adult conversation. If you read his post, I am calling him out for accusing the DNC for racially profiling and discriminating without regard to the truth of the matter. Then you two are both twisting words into something that isn't on point. The point being made is the DNC is not racially profiling or discriminating based on religion. The questions posed do not address that false point but they do lead to a more honest discussion on my point that not all being put on the list are dark skin or muslim. Now go back to your ignorant hole eating ****.
I guess when it's the DNC pushing legislation, all you have to do to deny the realities of what the legislation is and to just state as fact that it isn't regardless of reality. Interesting. As I pointed out, you are literally kidding yourself if you don't think the majority of individuals on that list are and will be Muslim. You are further kidding yourself if you think their Constitutionally protected freedoms are not being violated (2nd and the 4th, for exercising their 1st). So, spin it however you want to delude yourself into believing this is something other than what it is. As I have said all along, my issue with this has absolutely nothing to do with 2nd amendment. This scares the hell out of me for how it violates the 4th.
 

WVUBRU

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As I have said all along, my issue with this has absolutely nothing to do with 2nd amendment. This scares the hell out of me for how it violates the 4th.
I understand this sentiment. Still has nothing to do with your initial claim but I'm done with attempting to beat you over the head on that.

On your concern with the 4th Amendment, I am also concerned with the No-Fly list as I was with the Patriot Act. But I am attempting to be a realist and I do believe the Constitution is a living and breathing document and should not be hard fast and locked down as the Founding Fathers wrote it in 1700's. This country is different today and the constitution has the ability to be adjusted in several ways depending on what needs to be done. I am a concerned citizen about many things but I am not a legal or Constitution scholar or expert however many on here write comments acting like they are. I won't name names but it is foolish. Personally, I will have to take the stance that our leaders will know what is legal and constitutionally binding when they act and if it isn't, that is what the SC is there for. The country has checks and balances and I have to get over some of my concerns and implement a certain level of trust. I don't know if that is the answer for everyone though.
 

mneilmont

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The fact is that you are both wrong in theory. "No Fly" is too restrictive. So as to not be discriminatory, it should include all with history of arrest. Those who have been arrested show a propensity to act irrationally. Do you not think this would be more acceptable to those liberals who desire to give this President a feather in his cap for 8 years of service?

The Constitution is only "living and breathing" Constitutionally when congress proposes and the appropriate number of states ratify. It could be "living and breathing" if we simply ignore parts that we disagree with. It has changed more frequently by "active" judges who do not have the Constitutional authority to do so.