Is High School sports ready for this?
NIL ..wow
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I could see the NC General Assembly trying to fight it here and Tennessee will likely try and do the same.
Who is expected to pay, the school out of their admissions, or the state ?
Now D1 * maybe D2 colleges can afford to pay. High school, NO ! !
Can you see North Stokes paying ? A large # of High Schools would drop football.
Now D1 * maybe D2 colleges can afford to pay. High school, NO ! !
Can you see North Stokes paying ? A large # of High Schools would drop football.
Businesses would pay the athletes for using their name as an endorsement. But in Tennessee, couldn’t use their image in uniform, the name of the school, etc.. How much value do most athletes have if you don’t identify those? That’s why I say it’s watered down.
It won't happen in NC. Who decides who gets paid ? Everyone that spends most of the time on the sidelines gets the same as full-time starters. It just won't work or happen in N.C. < Then they will have to pay all the kids that play sports or the parents will be picketing in front of the schools. LOL
TD, it’s individual businesses paying individual students. The business decides who they pay. It’s not the school paying anybody.
Think of those stupid commercials paying Joe Namath or JJ from Good Times to tell you to “check your zip code”.
LOL. Not happening in NC. This is the one time I'm happy we aren't a progressive state.
So here is my question. If I am a high school football senior and a local insurance office says they'll pay me $200 to do a radio commercial for them they couldn't do it but they could pay a high school band senior $200 to play their trumpet and do the commercial. What's the difference?
NC is going to try and fight it knowing how they operate in Raleigh but my guess is it will be a losing battle.
NC is going to try and fight it knowing how they operate in Raleigh but my guess is it will be a losing battle.
I’m against it, but it’s inevitable. Who runs the legislature? What is their mantra? Free market capitalism. They believe anything that makes money is a good thing. I really don’t think most of them will oppose it.
I think NC will say if even one is paid then they say has to be paid to all who play sports because they are using the kid's popularity in playing sports. Now I can see them paying a kid what they want to just to run, say mail to the post office. They're is a legal way around most anything.
In Tennessee, the business can’t use the school’s name or image. So only those who know who the kid plays for will even make the connection. May not end up that way in NC, but I guarantee our legislature won’t take the approach of if you pay one, you have to pay them all. Goes directly against their free market philosophy.
I think they will oppose it. They won't see it as free market capitalism. Many of these are the same ones that grumble over 18 year olds voting.
I didn't think I'd probably comment on anything else until next football season but this.. I really don't see what it matters there's a reason Bryce Young is in commercials mostly in between football games because believe it or not I know it's are to believe for us who live football but there's a lot of people who don't know who he is.
So to me who's going to pay a high school kid to do a local ad or commercial? I've never seen a local high school sports star so popular that anyone cares if he endorses a local business. 90% of the county would be like who's this kid? Oh that's so in so's son or grandson he's the high school QB, oh yeah he's good forgot his name though, so why do they have this kid in their ad? And if I'm a business owner why would I want to give a high school sports kid something for free? I'll buy a banner which I used to, to hang at the stadium A: to support the school and B promote my business but that's different.
I don't even know all the football players names and the stars of the team while nice kids I couldn't care less or at least no more than anyone else's about their opinion of say a restaurant popular or not they're just kids who the vast majority in a few years we'll be going, what was that kids name back when? Boy he was good wondering what's he's doing now ,did he play college anywhere?
I like Dr pepper but I sure haven't gone out a bought more because of Bryce Young lol.
So to me who's going to pay a high school kid to do a local ad or commercial? I've never seen a local high school sports star so popular that anyone cares if he endorses a local business. 90% of the county would be like who's this kid? Oh that's so in so's son or grandson he's the high school QB, oh yeah he's good forgot his name though, so why do they have this kid in their ad? And if I'm a business owner why would I want to give a high school sports kid something for free? I'll buy a banner which I used to, to hang at the stadium A: to support the school and B promote my business but that's different.
I don't even know all the football players names and the stars of the team while nice kids I couldn't care less or at least no more than anyone else's about their opinion of say a restaurant popular or not they're just kids who the vast majority in a few years we'll be going, what was that kids name back when? Boy he was good wondering what's he's doing now ,did he play college anywhere?
I like Dr pepper but I sure haven't gone out a bought more because of Bryce Young lol.
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This is much ado about nothing.
Joe Smuckatelli is the QB for hometown high and a popular and attractive kid. Pete’s Pizza is the only delivery pizza joint in hometown and they pay Joe $200 to come deliver pizzas on Saturdays. He also appears in their newspaper and local TV ads holding a pizza in one hand and a football in the other. Who exactly is hurt by any of this? Joe gets a little pocket money, Pete’s Pizza maybe sells a few extra pizzas. None of that bothers me in the slightest.
Joe Smuckatelli is the QB for hometown high and a popular and attractive kid. Pete’s Pizza is the only delivery pizza joint in hometown and they pay Joe $200 to come deliver pizzas on Saturdays. He also appears in their newspaper and local TV ads holding a pizza in one hand and a football in the other. Who exactly is hurt by any of this? Joe gets a little pocket money, Pete’s Pizza maybe sells a few extra pizzas. None of that bothers me in the slightest.
The legislature has pretty much washed their hands of high school sports and passed it off to DPI which has no idea of what the legislature expects them to do differently. NCHSAA is running itself as before. Issue is there is a board to deal with appeals and do not think that has taken place. Also, there are no fines for schools and coaches now. The amount of schools, ADs and coaches not completing required paperwork / tasks has now become unmanageable. There is not penalty for not doing something and a fine worked because it went to the school and then everyone knew people were not doing their jobs.
It doesn't bother me I just can't believe that a high school kid is so well known or thought of that paying $200 actually increases their pizza sells seems like throwing away $200. Maybe things are just different in your area but in Mitchell county people couldn't care less if the star player delivered their pizza or even notice if he was working there as a summer job.
I just don't get it why would I give one toot about him delivering my pizza I'm sure not going to order more because he does just seems stupid me.
The reason we got into all this was that the NCAA decided to crack down on “corruption” (though not their own) in the 70s and 80s. One thing journalists then would mention is that schools would come up with BS jobs for athletes arranged through boosters. So, a local car dealership would pay a star college RB to come sweep the floors. Maybe they were paying him $20k a year and no one cared whether or not he actually touched a broom.. I understand the impulse, but what it meant in practice was that a lot of poor kids who were playing college sports couldn’t have a part time job for fear it was a payoff of some sort.
I think I’m good with letting an employer pay a kid what he thinks the kid is worth. Maybe that’s a backhanded payment for sports or maybe the employer has decided that it’s profitable to have the kid on staff. In the case of the RB above maybe the car dealer just thought it was good business to have the kid on hand so people would wander in to shake his hand-they might decide to buy a car while they were there. Maybe Pete, in my example, just wants to support Joe for what he does on Friday nights because he thinks it helps to hold the town together. I just don’t think it’s any of my business either way and I don’t really want this or that athletic association going around trying to figure it out either.
We are completely losing track of the amateur status. I don't like it in college and definitely don't want it in high school
I get the college part but this was about high school which just to me is apples and oranges. And I don't mind the local business helping a kid of course most high school kids wether they play sports or not if they have money issues get a after school or summer job. I'm just saying from a business stand point unless it's just to help a kid I don't see how it increases you're business income. To be honest I never really thought buying a banner was going to help my business I did it to just support the school.
I 100% agree that a lot of local businesses buy banners or ads in the football program to support the school. But I’ve got a hypothetical that and I wonder if others think it’s acceptable.
Let’s say there’s a local kid who’s a star on the basketball team. The kid is considering going to one of those private schools where he could get more exposure. But a wealthy local goes and offers him $1,000 a month to coach his son if the kid stays. We talk a lot on these boards about how local schools can compete with the private schools and preps. Ultimately those schools are offering a kid something like exposure to come play, is it acceptable for locals to make a counter offer?
Well I can't believe that would come up very often if ever. Though you never know I guess there's some wealthy guy much that into local sports not me even if I was wealthy and I'd assume the kid would be a difference between winning a state championship or something wouldn't see someone even that local sports crazy doing something like that otherwise. But kid also would have to concern this which is going to help him more in the future $1,000 month now or a college scholarship? Of course this is were good parents step in plus even with the partial starship and athlete might get at a private school parents still have to chip in pretty good amount so they're probably not that bad off financially themselves.
To say the scenario evolving a charter school more than a private school but they don't recruit athletes remember
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As I said, there is a way around all things high school football. That sounds good minus the football.
If they're running amuck then the state has themselves to blame. House Bill 91 gave the State Board of Education oversight of the nchsaa.
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Yeah, but that’s because they know most 18 year olds won't vote for them.
This ain’t about delivering pizzas folks. They can already do that. It about doing pizza commercials. It’s absolutely true that it won’t affect many kids. But David Thompson, Heath Shuler, Tommy Burleson? Those guys were well known even before college. Especially locally. We’re not talking about national advertising. But locally? There will be some.
Well to me that's just looking back knowing what they would accomplish.
Heath Shuler to me at the time was just another high school kid with college potential had no clue how well he'd really and personally if I lived in Swain county at the time and some local business used him for a commercial I'd still been like, why do they have some high school at Swain on their commercial or in their news paper ad?
Funny thing about Tom Burleson in 1986 I was selling radio ads and I just randomly went into light fixture business in Newland- Avery county and later I told someone that I just met the tallest person I've ever seen in person then I felt so stupid especially being the State fan I realize I had met Tommy Burleson I didn't realize he owned a store in Newland. I did get to talk to him serval times after that though I believe he did buy some air time from me.
I ran into him at the Grandfather Highland Games in 2014 a kilt on him is a dress on anyone else and I took a picture of him with my youngest daughter that fall she was starting at NC State she's 5'1" so it looks funny them standing together. When she showed some kids at State the photo they asked who is Tommy Burleson?
Any commercials needs to include the whole team and all getting paid. If you only pay one player because he was a great QB or RB or any position, then it is going to piss off the teammates because it took the whole team to make him look good. There is no I in team ! It won't work and won't happen. If they want to use a great player in a commercial then use them after they graduate.
I can tell you, David Thompson was not just another high school player. He could of easily benefited from this.
I didn't say any of them you meationed was just another high school player you could tell any of them had a possible future in sports when my brothers and I went to watch a playoff game between Murphy and Swain when Carl Pickens caught a pass in front of where I was standing I knew right then that he could not only probably have a future in college but the NFL and I say possiblity because you never know what can happen an injury playing or something else Steve Streater was paralyzed in a car wreck after signing with the Washington Redskins and sometimes even Heisman trophy winners end up being NFL flops.
But and maybe it's just me still when they were in high school and I could tell their possible greatness in the sport while in high school to the locals they're still so-in-so's kid you've seen grow up not unlike a nationally famous person who you don't know them or their family, I don't think people who have known famous people all their lives are in aw of them like strangers are and want their autograph. Even me seeing how good Perkins was and thinking there's a future pro to me he was still a high school kid and he still hadn't proved it and I sure didn't want his autograph.
But as I say that could be just me.
They were lined up 4 and 5 deep under the basket at Crest games just to get a glimpse of David. If they had social media then, I can only imagine. People would go to his house to see where he played ball in the back yard. Old bike rim nailed to a pole was how it started. Word would get out he was playing at Gardner-Webb and the crowds followed. A 16-17 year old David Thompson could of gotten paid holding a Sun-Drop.
Probably right. Like I said maybe just me I'm not a in aw kinda person with famous people anyway or maybe he like a few others are exception to the rule.
The reason TN went a head and did this was to avoid lawsuits. Almost half the States in the Country allow NIL for High School Athletes now. It’s going to be up to local businesses if they want to spend money on kids. Example Jadyn Davis is one of the highest rated QBs in the Country in the 2024 class why shouldn’t he be able to make money off his NIL now.
There is another issue that nobody is talking about. Unlike college, many high school athletes are not legally adults. That presents the same challenges that colleges faced in the past…..parents that are either unaware of business dealings, predatory parents (looking at you, Cam Newton) or even agents.
I understand the perspective of allowing kids to use their talents to benefit financially. But sometimes, money doesn’t need to be the driving force. NIL today, transfer portal tomorrow. Same fear of lawsuits.
I may be alone, but greed has already driven me away from pro sports, and mostly from college athletics. I hoped to have one avenue of amateurism left. It’s not about me, but there may be one less high school fan soon if this approach moves forward.
I understand the perspective of allowing kids to use their talents to benefit financially. But sometimes, money doesn’t need to be the driving force. NIL today, transfer portal tomorrow. Same fear of lawsuits.
I may be alone, but greed has already driven me away from pro sports, and mostly from college athletics. I hoped to have one avenue of amateurism left. It’s not about me, but there may be one less high school fan soon if this approach moves forward.
Well the belief is the parents are the primary stakeholders in a childs education, so might as well let them profit from them right?
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