Please, can someone explain to me, now that college hoops is professional, why are we not allowed to know the earnings numbers? We know the contracts and salaries of NFL and NBA players? Especially at a public university? We know public schools teachers salaries? Shouldn’t it be public info? The best way to evaluate how a coach is doing in the NIL era is to be able to say “that was money well spent” of “for that much you could have had this guy or that guy”. I know there’s probably a simple legal answer that I don’t know, but it irks me we don’t know this in what is now pro sports.
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Couldn’t agree more. I was trying to say something similar in another thread. It’s hard to assess how good or bad a recruiting cycle was for any team without knowing this information.
Ive been saying it for years and more than a few posters here were offended and gave me the YOU HAVE NO RIGHT routine. Um if you expect me to pay for college players then i better damn well know their salary
NIL is a private transaction not paid by Rutgers. Shelby does wonder about the 20.5 M pot Rutgers will pay to athletes. Maybe that does need to be made public.
I agree.
Surprised people haven't made freedom of information requests for revenue share contracts between universities and athletes.
Jett's NIL deal is public, buried deep in court filings. I read the contract and it is ridiculous.
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Yeah maybe as Shelby said - that might be the case with the 20.5 M school allocation? I suppose disclosure of funding from private sources can’t be forced unless the donor chooses to make it known (I’d think they would and maybe even do, have that right?).
It’s impossible really though to know the extent poor of a job Pike actually did with recruiting though absent this information. Basketball is a game of levels and levels and there seems theres a a price tag attached at every D1 tier we just don’t know what it is or even have a realistic sense of the range. Things are BAD but it’s simply not true that every other D1 team would pay zero dollars for our players. It’s also not true that there aren’t many many hundreds if not thousands of D1 players at the lower level that are a) worse than our collection of players and b) cost less by any standard. So the question dumbed down to the most extreme level really is - if we used every penny of our allocation to pay a penny like Cliff - what types of players would fill out the rest of our roster for free. As said - the rest of the team would in fact be materially worse than the guys we have - we just don’t know how much so.
It’s not hard to judge . Pike has done an awful job hard stop. His recruits over the last 5 years have been abysmal. The players he choose to surround Ace and Dylan were an awful choice. Last season is historical ( unforgivable) bad. The current roster has not 1 power 4 player on it.
No power 4 team is paying anyone on this roster. Kids can choose to take small dollars in low level schools or play here power 4 for nothing.
Similar to not understanding what kids are being paid you have no idea what the current roster would have stayed for minutes and exposure at the power 4 level.
The easiest way to analyze is look at players 4-8 on a power 4 rosters those are the kids that we can sign and should be competing for. Are those guys 4-8 on the roster better then our players?
I don’t need transparency to know talent evaluation is awful. Portal work has bend atrocious. The X and O on the court has always had warts but the last 2 seasons have been malpractice.
1. NIL is between a private business and the player. How much is Ace Bailey making from Nike? There is no way to know specifics. Just like your salary.
2. Revenue sharing from the university ($20.5m cap) to players should be available. Similar to every other expenditure of the AD (such as coaches salaries). What exactly is the AD spending its budget on? It's over $100m(?) spent on what?
The problem, like most of these conversations, is that people combine the two different buckets and assume they are the same.
2. Revenue sharing from the university ($20.5m cap) to players should be available. Similar to every other expenditure of the AD (such as coaches salaries). What exactly is the AD spending its budget on? It's over $100m(?) spent on what?
The problem, like most of these conversations, is that people combine the two different buckets and assume they are the same.
Forget players. How much is being allocated to the all important "balloon budget"?
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You won't believe what teams spend on balloons
This isn't hyperbole. It's, like, so freaking much.
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They've always been paid but for decades everyone called them amateurs. Unless you think in a normal setting that the scholarships, equipment, gear and other stuff provided to them isn't a form of compensation. You didn't seem to want to know the value of all that non-cash compensation which wasn't small.
Additionally, they are semi-professional not professionals, otherwise why would they need to enter the NBA draft.
Last years recruiting was easy to judge for sure. It sucked. We recruited the wrong type of players. Not one kid who played D to surround frosh with. Awful. We know D comes cheaper than offense so we don’t need the data to know we could’ve found a better defensive player than PJ for whatever his price point was by recruiting a kid with zero offensive stats but known to play hard nosed D. By way of example. We didn’t need PJs offense. Giving all of it up for a D only player would’ve compromised nothing considering PJ’s offense didn’t help us win any games.
Clearly this year is bad too but what I’m saying is we don’t actually know the extent of how bad or what might’ve been a better (and realistic) approach without that information. It’s Pike’s fault entirely why his starting point sucked - but from there (meaning stuck with the reality of no offensive or defensive weapons to start the cycle) we don’t know what we theoretically could’ve gotten instead for the money. We do know the coaching has been inexcusably bad with what we have (SHU start for instance) and losing to CC - clearly a team with less money and talent than us.
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I was always used us news and world report to estimate college costs as compensation. So I knew what that was. Don’t know what you’re going for there. Also semi professional? Hahahaha. That insinuates they have to work another job. They’re professionals.
Then why do they need to be drafted by the NBA coming out of college? Oh that's right, the NCAA isn't a professional league.
No it is a professional league. They get drafted by the NBA if they are good enough. They can choose not to go and stay in college and earn money. They can choose to go to Europe or another league and earn money.
All of which are professional options and no longer do they carry amateur status.
Rev Share will probably become available in the future. NIL (which is advertising/marketing $$) will always be private (as it is with NFL and NBA).
NIL is the same as advertising and marketing. That information is not available for professionals. Rev Share is different. That is university money that will most likely become public in the future.
The delineation between NIL and revenue share is a key point as others have pointed out.
Where the former I get we have no right to know and the other we do as a public university.
Moreso I would think that disclosing of that breakdown would be key in ensuring that each school doesn’t go over their cap.
Where the former I get we have no right to know and the other we do as a public university.
Moreso I would think that disclosing of that breakdown would be key in ensuring that each school doesn’t go over their cap.
Players are being paid for their sports services, that constitutes pro ball. The NBA draft exists because that's the process in place to help promote parity in the league, not because anything below it isn't professional ball. When European professional players are drafted by the NBA, are they not considered professionals because they enter the NBA draft?