New Starting 5?

eyesofhawk

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He has played enough for anyone to know if he sucks. Koch isn't shooting good and so I'd rather have a guy willing to shoot rather than dumping the ball to Stirtz with 10 seconds left on the shot clock.

I'd also put in the Jirak.
I'm not saying Hausen sucks.

But yes, the staff is well aware of what each and every player brings to the table.

Minutes aren’t given, they are earned.

You don't put a player in to "give him a try". They've been getting tries every day in practice
 

SB_SB

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I'm not saying Hausen sucks.

But yes, the staff is well aware of what each and every player brings to the table.

Minutes aren’t given, they are earned.

You don't put a player in to "give him a try". They've been getting tries every day in practice

If you're not getting the results from the players on the floor, then something needs to be tried. It's stupid to stick with people just because they had a good practice. Until practices are counted in Wins and Losses, I don't care what happens in a practice, I care about the game.
 
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eyesofhawk

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If you're not getting the results from the players on the floor, then something needs to be tried. It's stupid to stick with people just because they had a good practice. Until practices are counted in Wins and Losses, I don't care what happens in a practice, I care about the game.
Sorry, but your contention that the coaches don't know what the players are capable of couldn't be further from the truth
 

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He has played enough for anyone to know if he sucks. Koch isn't shooting good and so I'd rather have a guy willing to shoot rather than dumping the ball to Stirtz with 10 seconds left on the shot clock.

I'd also put in the Jirak.
You got one thing right. He has played enough for everyone to know he sucks. Whoops on your part but you got it right. I’d give the ball to Stirtz instead. As far as Jirak goes he’s not ready yet. Nice insight though. lol.
 

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Sorry, but your contention that the coaches don't know what the players are capable of couldn't be further from the truth
We’re on a message board where people can have their own views. I don’t care what the coaches believe, I know we need shooters and based on what’s happened over the last few games, there’s only two guys willing to shoot.
 
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You got one thing right. He has played enough for everyone to know he sucks. Whoops on your part but you got it right. I’d give the ball to Stirtz instead. As far as Jirak goes he’s not ready yet. Nice insight though. lol.
If he sucks, are you saying the coaches suck for bringing him in? I don’t think the coaches suck and neither does hausen
 

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We’re on a message board where people can have their own views. I don’t care what the coaches believe, I know we need shooters and based on what’s happened over the last few games, there’s only two guys willing to shoot.
You should care what the coaches think. Not sure why you wouldn't.

Let's try to keep it linear here.

Perhaps I've misinterpreted your 1st sentence in post #40, as the wording is confusing. My assumption is that it's supposed to read, "(Hausen) hasn’t played enough for anyone to know if he sucks." Is that what you meant to say?

If so, again my response is the coaches have seen more than enough of all their players to know exactly what they bring to the table, and what rotations give the team the best chance to win.

Am I missing something?
 
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eyesofhawk

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If he sucks, are you saying the coaches suck for bringing him in? I don’t think the coaches suck and neither does hausen
Why would the coaches suck for bringing Hoss in, if nobody knows enough about a player until they've gotten enough game-time in their new system?

Why aren't you complaining about Thompson's minutes? Is there some reason you're trusting the coaches on that one?
 

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You should care what the coaches think. Not sure why you wouldn't.

Let's try to keep it linear here.

Perhaps I've misinterpreted your 1st sentence in post #40, as the wording is confusing. My assumption is that it's supposed to read, "(Hausen) hasn’t played enough for anyone to know if he sucks." Is that what you meant to say?

If so, again my response is the coaches have seen more than enough of all their players to know exactly what they bring to the table, and what rotations give the team the best chance to win.

Am I missing something?
Yes I meant to say hasn’t not has.

My point is, I’m free to question the coaches. I’m free to have my opinion. Until the team is winning at a high level, the coach can be criticized. I’m sure the coaches aren’t losing any sleep wondering what SB_SB thinks.
 

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Why would the coaches suck for bringing Hoss in, if nobody knows enough about a player until they've gotten enough game-time in their new system?

Why aren't you complaining about Thompson's minutes? Is there some reason you're trusting the coaches on that one?
You don’t think the coaches had tape on Hausen? To your point, I don’t think Hausen has had enough game-time for the coaches to know if he would help the situation. Practice isn’t game-time.

Thompson is different. For one, he seems to be redshirting. And second, he’s not known to be an outside shooter. If he was great at threes then I’d want him on the floor now.
 

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Yes I meant to say hasn’t not has.

My point is, I’m free to question the coaches. I’m free to have my opinion. Until the team is winning at a high level, the coach can be criticized. I’m sure the coaches aren’t losing any sleep wondering what SB_SB thinks.
I never said you aren’t free to question the coaches.

You said Hoss hasn't played enough for anyone to know if he sucks.

I countered that the coaches know everything there is to know about their players. Game-time is not needed for them to acquire this information.

That is all
 

eyesofhawk

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You don’t think the coaches had tape on Hausen? To your point, I don’t think Hausen has had enough game-time for the coaches to know if he would help the situation. Practice isn’t game-time.

Thompson is different. For one, he seems to be redshirting. And second, he’s not known to be an outside shooter. If he was great at threes then I’d want him on the floor now.
Of course the staff is familiar with their recruits.

You asked if the coaches suck for bringing Hoss in. I was merely using your logic against that. If it takes enough game-time in the new system to determine what a player has, then why would the coaches suck for bringing in any recruit? Of course, we know that the game-time is not needed for such evaluations
 

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I never said you aren’t free to question the coaches.

You said Hoss hasn't played enough for anyone to know if he sucks.

I countered that the coaches know everything there is to know about their players. Game-time is not needed for them to acquire this information.

That is all

I disagree with that. Some people are better in games and some are worse. We've certainly had players in the past where people said they hit every shot in practice but during the game they sucked. Some people need more game time to get comfortable. I disagree with the thought that practice tells you everything you need to know about players. Coaches may feel differently but there's been many examples in sports where someone gets hurt and the sub plays better than the starter.
 

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Of course the staff is familiar with their recruits.

You asked if the coaches suck for bringing Hoss in. I was merely using your logic against that. If it takes enough game-time in the new system to determine what a player has, then why would the coaches suck for bringing in any recruit? Of course, we know that the game-time is not needed for such evaluations

You've kind of jumped into the middle of my reply to Warhawkeye where he claimed Hausen sucked. My reply to him was, if people already know he sucks, then that's on the coach for bringing him in and maybe the coach sucks. If you hire a bad person, shouldn't you be to blame for the bad hire?
 

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Stirtz , Banks, and Manyawu should never leave the floor. I'd put Combs and Sage in the other two slots, and sub them for Howard/Haussen occasionally.

I'm not sure I'd personally give Koch and Folgueiras many minutes the rest of the way due to their footspeed issues on defense. They're just too slow.

But the one guy I really want to see benched for a few games is Alvaro. In Iowa's losses @minnesota and @Maryland, he scored 0 total points in 33 minutes. I had to double check my vision, but it's true. Those are bad teams and he scored 0 frickin points. He also scored 0 in our win @ Indiana.

Against good teams?
Illinois 8 points
Purdue 5 points
@ Purdue, 4 points,
@msu 2 points
@ ISU 4 points.

The lowest amount of minutes Alvaro has played is 9. Guess which game that was and whether we won or not? It was our first game vs Maryland, we won by 19 and he scored 3 points.
It seems like he puts Alvaro in the game for Cam automatically even when Cam starts the game playing well
 

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Totally agree and I don't understand that substitution. Alvaro isn't a center and can't guard centers, he should be playing with Cam, not for Cam.
Another reason Jirak starts to become an important piece even in a limited role. Ben stepped into this trying to obtain a big in the portal and finding the portal bigs just want too much. He hesitated playing Jirak until he had to. You step back and look at it and it makes no sense given that we need size and rebounding and the true center we have needs some Big Ten game experience.
 
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Another reason Jirak starts to become an important piece even in a limited role. Ben stepped into this trying to obtain a big in the portal and finding the portal bigs just want too much. He hesitated playing Jirak until he had to. You step back and look at it and it makes no sense given that we need size and rebounding and the true center we have needs some Big Ten game experience.

I think Ben and the whole team thought Stirtz was going to carry the team. He has but he has limits and needs a team around him. There were definitely missed opportunities to get some playing time for the bench and I think we're going to pay for it here at the end.
 
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eyesofhawk

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You've kind of jumped into the middle of my reply to Warhawkeye where he claimed Hausen sucked. My reply to him was, if people already know he sucks, then that's on the coach for bringing him in and maybe the coach sucks. If you hire a bad person, shouldn't you be to blame for the bad hire?
I fully understood what your point was.

I'm not going to again explain my response
 

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I disagree with that. Some people are better in games and some are worse. We've certainly had players in the past where people said they hit every shot in practice but during the game they sucked. Some people need more game time to get comfortable. I disagree with the thought that practice tells you everything you need to know about players. Coaches may feel differently but there's been many examples in sports where someone gets hurt and the sub plays better than the starter.

 
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