Pike says he does not change the starting 5 until there is a loss. Therefore, here is my new stating 5: PG - Harper: SG - Hayes; SF -Bailey; PF - Martini; C - Somerville.
New Starting 5
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Somerville is nice offensively but he is such a HUGE negative in the +/- defensively and if you don’t see that on the tv then idk
Williams needs to start probably instead of Hayes
Hayes just needs to take dercack minutes and be closer to 20-23 min a game versus the 15-17 he’s been getting
I’m personally leaning JWill, DH, Ace, PJ, Center
the problem is, we have 3 guys who stink on offense ( williams , davis and jordan) and a few that stink on D but are good on offense ( hayes, somerville, and acuff). Martini is okay on both but i expected more from him on both ends. Then you have dylan and ace who are hot and cold on d, specially Ace
Whatever starting 5 Pike chooses they must commit to playing tenacious defense and relentless rebounding. Unfortunately Pike has not sold this to date. But he must figure out to do so. The days of the 55 #peed limit may have passed, but it be replaced with 65 speed limit.
J will plays defense, he has to start, it has to be the injury holding him back offensively or a chemistry issue with ace and dylan
Ogobole to me has to keep starting because Summerville is just so bad defensively. I would still keep Martini as starter for now so its J Will replacing Derkack
Ogobole to me has to keep starting because Summerville is just so bad defensively. I would still keep Martini as starter for now so its J Will replacing Derkack
Jwill is completely awful! Every team we play and continue to play will be in a zone and double Dylan and Ace.
You need shooters to open up the lane. Jwill cannot shoot and his whole game is driving to the rim which against a zone is nullified.
Can’t play on this team. Cut Jmike fast as well
Davis was -10, Acuff was -11 and Sommerville was -9 today FWIW. Surprisingly, Martini who was about 5 feet short on 3 and hit the side of the backboard on another 3, was +10
I think JWill has to be on the court when either Harper or Bailey are out, and some minutes when they are both in.
No more than 1 of these 3 on the court at the same time (Derkack, JWill, Davis). Is that feasible?
Is Acuff going to be able to take (earn) more minutes? All of the Davis minutes and some of the Derkack minutes?
No more than 1 of these 3 on the court at the same time (Derkack, JWill, Davis). Is that feasible?
Is Acuff going to be able to take (earn) more minutes? All of the Davis minutes and some of the Derkack minutes?
I actually like this. Bench - Ogbole, Derkack, JWill, Acuff with Davis out of the rotation unless foul trouble. The only issue I see is that the bench will give you no scoring.
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We just gave up 79pts to Kenneshaw State and people are saying "but we need to keep our defensive players on floor"?
At what point does a "defensive player" stop being a defensive player and just a negative at both ends of the court?
At least the offensive players might score more while being bad defensively.
The alternative is players provide no offense while also being bad defensively.
At what point does a "defensive player" stop being a defensive player and just a negative at both ends of the court?
At least the offensive players might score more while being bad defensively.
The alternative is players provide no offense while also being bad defensively.
I like that starting five as well but Bailey must get at least 5 rebounds a game. Only one is an absolute travesty!
Discussion of a starting five won't satisfy fans because the lack of players that excel on both offense and defense.The reality is that Rutgers might have to accept that the defense will be flawed especially rebounding and concentrate instead on having the best offensive players get the most minutes and win games scoring 80 points.Such a strategy assumes the coaching staff will install a half court offense to attack a zone defense creating 3 point shots from the corners.
The NBA plays very little defense during the regular season and games are won by the team making the most 3 pointers.Right now its unclear what is the winning strategy for Rutgers with problems both on offense and defense.
The NBA plays very little defense during the regular season and games are won by the team making the most 3 pointers.Right now its unclear what is the winning strategy for Rutgers with problems both on offense and defense.
Lets hire Buddy Ryan as head coach and pass every down and try to outscore people. Lets hire Mouse Davis as offensibe coordinator and bring in a fullback and a tight end. Lets bring Bob Dylan in and take away his harmonica and give him a tuba
We gave up 79 points in 79 possessions, although admittedly some of that came from the forced TOs late. As big of a problem was averaging fewer than 1 PPP against one of the worst defenses in CBB. JWill showed his HM experience on both ends in the second half, was impactful defensively and got to the line
Williams has struglled for sure to start the season, but he's also been hurt. It is remarkable, however, that you would make this statement after yesterday's game. Williams defense (4 steals) and Harper's offense were the primary drivers of RU's comeback from 21-points down to cut it to two. What game were you watching?
Curious that you want to start Somerville after yesterday's game, where Ogbole was clearly better for once. Lathan has the much bigger upside for sure, but right now his defense is very poor on a team that desperately needs to defend much better. As soon as he came in the game yesterday, KSU scored dwon low.
I suggest the lineup we see at the end of many games to be the lineup we see starting. Martini, Ace, Dylan, (Derkack or Hayes) and Williams if he is healthy.
No matter what the lineup is everyone needs to help rebound. Ace is 6'10 allegedly. 1 rebound in 30+ minutes. He is going to get his either way but if he wants to play winning basketball he needs to help the team rebounding.
There is a difference, but not a world of difference, between Ogbole and Sommerville defensively speaking. Ogbole played 19 minutes and got 2 rebounds. Sommerville played 18 minutes and got 3 rebounds. Sommerville does foul a lot though. Yesterday, it was 4 PFs, Ogbole only had 1. Nonetheless, if Bailey is willing to defend and rebound than a lineup of Martini, Ace, Dylan, (Derkack or Hayes) and Williams may be the trick to start and end the game.
Huh? Martini can't rebound well, or defend bigs well. Ace will be up and down all season at both of those as he learns. If going Williams you need Hayes. Williams and Derkack, or JMike together with Dylan are just too many guys that don't love to shoot from the outside and depend on getting to the rim.
I am making the statement based on his entire time with Rutgers and how his game unfortunately does not fit with the two stars. Pike can’t help himself and has blinders and will play him no matter what.
As far as yesterday your not watching the game your watching the ball. Jwill did have some good steals but how many times was he out of position because he was trash talking with an opponent and cheating to get the ball .
Cheating for steals, not rotating, and hanging your teammates out to dry is a bigger crime then 4 steals when he gives us Zero offensive production. Too many stupid lapses and gets completely utterly lost in half court defense.
Pike is a genius on D
Pike has NO offensive mind
This team will not be the under 60 everyone loved.
Have to get the lane opened and shooting from the outside is essential.
New rotation after Alabama
Never come out:
Harper
Bailey
JWill
Ride him til he can’t go:
Ogbole
Fill in the remainder:
Derkack
Sommerville
Martini
Never come out:
Harper
Bailey
JWill
Ride him til he can’t go:
Ogbole
Fill in the remainder:
Derkack
Sommerville
Martini
Did you watch last nights game?
If so - how can you possibly say that actually acuff should get more minutes than derkack?
Acuff was such a defensive liability that bama was designing their offense around getting him isolated on defense . And it worked repeatedly thru the night!!! His d was a HUGE problem
A faaaaaar bigger factor in last nights lose than a 1 or 2 missed 3s by dercack
Dercack was 1 of only 3 role players (along with jwill and big e) that helped keep us in the game.
based on his scoring last year it would seem acuff could be an asset but the kid is seriously hobbled (I think I have better movement) right now and is thus a huuuuge liability on d AND produces next to no offense
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What good are these three-point specialists if they never get a pass when open?
Harper is an unbelievable score. However, it is not a winning recipe when he simply drives the ball on every play. He needs to incorporate our shooters who need to hit shots. That includes Bailey. And Dirkack needs to recognize his shooting limitations, a little bit more. There is a reason they leave him wide open at the three-point line.
We scored 85 points shooting 2-13 from 3.
I have talked about fool’s gold. This was the opposite
on the positive side, this team is growing by leaps and bounds. Hopefully they come up with another great effort against Houston. We may have to eat some losses early in the season, but I have a lot of confidence in this team being a major factor at the right time.
What about a freshman wall and all that?
Energy needed for defense effecting offense?
We also gave up 95pts.
Needing 60pts from 2 players seems to exactly be fools gold.