Ohio State-Nebraska posptponed because of Covid within the Cornhusker program
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I’ll say it again, absolutely ridiculous that games are still being cancelled
It's a week away. Should be good to go by then
Will probably be more of this in the midwestern states as they're a couple of weeks behind where we were with the omicron wave trajectory. It'll just mean a game or two for some programs and not some season cancellation as some were discussing back in December. Since these threads always get locked, figured I'd put my $0.02 in now.
As I said back in mid-Dec, below, we were very unlikely to see the season cancelled and we'll soon be mostly out of this, as cases are going down quickly in our area now, just as predicted, based on what happened in South Africa and is now happening in the UK. And deaths, while still substantial and rising some (partly due to many deaths still due to the more severe delta variant, which was prominent until late Dec and it takes 3-4 weeks to see deaths) should peak near the summer's delta peak (~2000 deaths/day), but not come anywhere near the 3500 deaths/day last winter, because vaccines are very effective in preventing severe COVID and death (vs. those unvaccinated even with omicron, as per the 2nd link below) and omicron is less virulent, fortunately.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/covid-omicron-variant-south-africa-turning-point/
https://assets.publishing.service.g...395/technical-briefing-34-14-january-2022.pdf
Then, hopefully, barring some new more transmissible variant, we'll be transitioning from pandemic to endemic COVID, with localized outbreaks, but not huge waves any more and we'll likely see SARS-CoV-2 become our 5th circulating mild coronavirus (like the other 4 that cause the common cold). I think and hope this will all happen, based on what I know and have read of evolutionary biology of viruses, but since this is all so new and we've had some variant surprises already, more surprises are still possible, which is why we still need to vaccinate the world to reduce the chance of a worse variant - just imagine a variant as transmissible and evasive towards the immune system as omicron but as deadly as delta - that would be bad. Below is my post from mid-Dec.
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-03619-8
As I said back in mid-Dec, below, we were very unlikely to see the season cancelled and we'll soon be mostly out of this, as cases are going down quickly in our area now, just as predicted, based on what happened in South Africa and is now happening in the UK. And deaths, while still substantial and rising some (partly due to many deaths still due to the more severe delta variant, which was prominent until late Dec and it takes 3-4 weeks to see deaths) should peak near the summer's delta peak (~2000 deaths/day), but not come anywhere near the 3500 deaths/day last winter, because vaccines are very effective in preventing severe COVID and death (vs. those unvaccinated even with omicron, as per the 2nd link below) and omicron is less virulent, fortunately.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/covid-omicron-variant-south-africa-turning-point/
https://assets.publishing.service.g...395/technical-briefing-34-14-january-2022.pdf
Then, hopefully, barring some new more transmissible variant, we'll be transitioning from pandemic to endemic COVID, with localized outbreaks, but not huge waves any more and we'll likely see SARS-CoV-2 become our 5th circulating mild coronavirus (like the other 4 that cause the common cold). I think and hope this will all happen, based on what I know and have read of evolutionary biology of viruses, but since this is all so new and we've had some variant surprises already, more surprises are still possible, which is why we still need to vaccinate the world to reduce the chance of a worse variant - just imagine a variant as transmissible and evasive towards the immune system as omicron but as deadly as delta - that would be bad. Below is my post from mid-Dec.
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-03619-8
The whole thread is about COVID or did you miss that part? And please tell me you haven't gone over to the non-science side by dismissing the risks from COVID, even for omicron which is less virulent, but still killing people, especially the unvaccinated. It will eventually be coldvid, I think, as I said above, but not yet.Reported! COVID post. Or should I say COLDVID post.
I get distracted by the weather, lol. I was actually posting in it when it got deleted, but fortunately had saved my draft, since those threads have a short shelf life. I know we disagree on a ton, but we agree that it's crazy we can't discuss COVID.
need a covid19/mask/vax board
better to have one so posters can talk about those three and not have other [posters pissed at those threads being in a sports forum,even if they are sports related like this thread.
I can't knock talk about the virus, masks & vax related threads, I participate in them myself..
I would say I can understand people being pissed when another issue is hijacked into a
virus, masks or vax issue, but when the thread starts out about a virus, masks or vax issue,
all that needs to be done is go to another thread and ignore that one.
But to often sports only threads are hijacked into a virus/ masks / vax issue , so a board about those issues might be a good idea.
someone needs to end this charade
That was unacceptable in that school, but yes, we need to end the charade of misinformation that masks don't work. They do work, with caveats. They worked very well with the original strain - even cloth masks significantly cut down on transmissions. However, delta is 2-3X more transmissible than the original strain and omicron is 2-3X more transmissible than delta, so the efficacy of cloth masks is now quite low against omicron, necessitating the use of N95/KN95 masks to maintain a strong level of protection. I'm also quite sure I'm the only one on this board who has done actual laboratory research on the effectiveness of mask filtration of micron and sub-micron sized particulates, similar to viruses, via size exclusion, electrostatic and chem/physisorption, so I think I understand the science better than anyone here (3rd link). That masks somehow became politicized is an incredibly sad chapter in this country's history, almost as bad as COVID vaccines becoming politicized.
https://www.news-medical.net/news/2...tors-in-lowering-SARS-CoV-2-transmission.aspx
https://www.vox.com/2022/1/8/22873390/covid-19-better-masks-n95-respirator-surgical-omicron
https://rutgers.forums.rivals.com/t...ase-ii-iii-trial-and-more.203426/post-4784019
Even the state is starting to tell the truth, at least with hospitalizations. They are reporting the # of people in hospitals "with" COVID and the # of people in hospitals "because" of COVID. Good first step. Time to start report deaths in this way because the current death #'s are complete BS.
Sadly, this board's discussion of COVID was relegated to the CE graveyard and the 33andrain weather board I've been posting to since Feb 2020 (like here) just shut down their COVID thread. TOS still has an active thread and I've always shared the same info on my FB page as here (on both COVID and weather). Imagine if the polio or other childhood disease vaccines had become politicized and not taken and those diseases were never close to eradicated. Back then people trusted "science" and the government more, probably because there was no "social media" per se. I love having instant information at my fingertips, but the problem is there is so much bad information out there and too many people lack the ability (or desire) to differentiate the good from the bad info.
no we need to stop masking kids, 2 years going to go into a third, killing their development and communication skills
and Dr Leann Wen boom boom boom, she said only N95s work, we all knew that...Fauci lied about masks from the beginning as well, lied and then lied about why he lied
of course now some are saying they were saying this from the beginning...lol...no
You're right on hospitalizations, because omicron is so infectious, but you absolutely know you're wrong on deaths because every one of those deaths is signed off by an MD as to cause of death, plus we absolutely know that excess deaths are well beyond reported COVID deaths and there are no other reasonable causes for those excess deaths other than COVID - the fact is the COVID deaths are a significant undercount in the US and a huge undercount in much of the world. But you know that, yet still try to peddle the misinformation.
https://ourworldindata.org/excess-mortality-covid
lmfao, stop acting as if one side politicized and the other didnt, they both did and some are clinging to it now
why did 33andrain shut the covid thread down?
The virus mutated, becoming far more transmissible - that is why cloth masks no longer provide much protection, but they did with the original strain. As the virus evolved, knowledge evolved - that's the way it works.
suicides and drugs
Recently released data by the CDC show that drug overdose deaths reached a record high of 93,331 in 2020. While these estimates are not final, this is more than 20,000 deaths above the previous high in 2019
did you watch the video, watch it again please, listen to what she said
and masking works so much that the cases exploded in Europe where they were praised for having shut down the virus, ditto for Australia.....
again YOU and MSM and FAUCI and his crew INABILITY to ADMIT you got ANYTHING WRONG, is why this country distrust science and msm but you keep plugging away. I am telling you this to help you understand, but instead you keep doubling down on just saying science is changing, all the while there is real evidence of blatant hypocrisy and lies
Definitely not true on deaths. Even JP from the state admitted that she doesn't know how many deaths are "with" COVID versus due to it. The truth will come out, but until then, the BS continues.
It's criminal that these #'s weren't provide from the beginning. Having the true facts was desperately needed over the past 2 years.
oh, remember when this was a conspiracy theory...lmfao
you were also blaming Trump for not having test kits in February as if its not the CDC and bureaucracy responsibility, gee thats not political, not to mention we are 2 years into this with a vaccine and this is still rampant all over the globe. No president or politician could have controlled the virus in this country nor almost everywhere else that wants freedom. This virus was going to do what it wanted and mitigations efforts led to delayed but not denied.
Where did I say only one side politicized things? I didn't, but the one side doing so has resulted in several hundred thousand more deaths than necessary, as the vast majority of unvaccinated are on that side and nothing the other side has done has had a horrific result like that.
33 had temporarily shut down their COVID thread many times, as things occasionally got political, and one of the site owners told me they were simply tired of having to moderate the thread, plus they see less need for it, since it seems likely we're headed towards an endemic phase.
more deaths under Biden and note the minorities are at about 53% vaxxed and that is not right wing and its the msm and dems who keep telling me the pandemic has disproportionately effect minorities so square that one
kids are not getting vaxxed either, its under 25% and that really isnt going to change
lmfao...the other side locked down, masked children, shut down businesses without regard for the future implications and then did their own thing
they totally ****** up the risk assessement for the average person with scare tactics
kids are not getting vaxxed either, its under 25% and that really isnt going to change
lmfao...the other side locked down, masked children, shut down businesses without regard for the future implications and then did their own thing
they totally ****** up the risk assessement for the average person with scare tactics
Nobody ever said that was a conspiracy theory - I posted about that too, although there were other studies which showed an immunity advantage from vaccinations, but both were clearly far better than no immunity and achieving that immunity via safe vaccination is far, far, far safer than acquiring that immunity from infection, which is how 860K unvaccinated people have died in the US vs. maybe 20K vaccinated.
suggesting that natural immunity was a more potent shield than vaccines against that variant
Wrong again - what's it like to be wrong so often and badly? If not for delta, we were well on our way to endemicity with the original strain, with transmissions very low and deaths quite low and if we had continued with strong vaccination rates I think we would've gotten there. But delta and then omicron couldn't have been predicted (although we knew variants were likely) and they changed the game as we've seen.
Countries like South Korea, Taiwan, Japan and several others had essentially triumphed vs the original strain with about 1/20th to 1/100th our per capita death rates and without completely shutting their countries down, via excellent testing/tracing/isolating, which the former Adminitration completely bungled allowing us to have a horrific outbreak and then additional ones. If not for delta, those countries would've completely been vaccinated without ever having much death or lockdowns, but delta and omicron impacted them some too - but still much less than us.
You're simply wrong on this and, as usual, you have nothing to back you up, whereas I shared a link which made it clear that COVID deaths have been significantly (1st world) to egregiously (3rd world) underreported, based on excess deaths. It's not a hard concept.
I never click your links. Once JP admitted it, game over. You know I'm 100% pro-vax and not into any conspiracy silliness. I have close friends at several major hospitals and at the state house that support what JP said. I don't know if the real death # is 10%, 50%, or 90% of the advertised total, but I definitely know it is wrong and the data was compromised from the beginning.
I criticized Fauci for his original position on masks - if you recall, I came out strongly for masks in early March 2020 before anyone in the Administration, as the science was already clear on viruses, plus I had my own extensive experience with mask effectiveness for particulate filtration. There have been other missteps in communication too, although they all paled in comparison to Trump downplaying the virus from day one - that was the original sin which drove the wedge between left and right - if he had simply followed the pandemic playbook his predecessors (on the right and left) had put together, I'm convinced we would've never had most of the problems that eventually came out with regard to things like masking and vaccinations.
Show your work - at least one time. I've never seen anything from JP suggesting what you're claiming.
What does Little Lord Faucleroy think about masks this month?
And you think calling one of the most respected public health scientists of our time, who served countless administrations with distinction, disparaging names is helpful? I don't. And for the record, as much as I reviled the previous POTUS, I never called him names.
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