MSU hires Mel Tucker

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This is gonna be a little awkward:

As Roseanne Rosanna Danna once said, "Never mind!".

 

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Could be good news for Kafka. Bieniemy to CU as head coach; Mike slides into OC for KC.
 

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I think there may be trouble ahead and they are using him. He will work through the recruitment allegations. Then afterwards MSU will hire a more suitable HC.
 

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I think there may be trouble ahead and they are using him. He will work through the recruitment allegations. Then afterwards MSU will hire a more suitable HC.

How much did they have to guarantee to get him to change his mind? And if he has a semi-competent agent, they'll have negotiated extra years for each year of penalties just like Bill O'Brien at PSU.
 

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Bieniemy makes a lot of sense in Boulder. Was the star RB on their national championship team but also has serious experience as an NFL assistant. I'll be shocked if he's not the frontrunner. Unless he's holding out for an NFL job.

Could be good news for Kafka. Bieniemy to CU as head coach; Mike slides into OC for KC.
 

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There could very well be recruiting allegations and other negatives playing into this. But also, the purely football situation is not great, particularly this late in the off season. The team hasn't been great for a few years, they just signed a pretty meh recruiting class, and they play in the Big Ten East. For someone like Fickell - why would you jump ship? Cincinnati just signed a better recruiting class than MSU and they don't have the same competition. They could be really good again next year, and then he can jump ship to a far better situation than MSU at a far better time than mid-February.
 

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Bieniemy makes a lot of sense in Boulder. Was the star RB on their national championship team but also has serious experience as an NFL assistant. I'll be shocked if he's not the frontrunner. Unless he's holding out for an NFL job.
Eric was OC at Colorado for 2 season and they were terrible (3-10, 1-11). Not sure CO fans are unanimous in wanting him back as first time head coach.
 

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I think there may be trouble ahead and they are using him. He will work through the recruitment allegations. Then afterwards MSU will hire a more suitable HC.

Or not. If Tucker works out, great. Dark clouds are gathering at MSU. Dantonio knew that. More to come.
 

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Bieniemy makes a lot of sense in Boulder. Was the star RB on their national championship team but also has serious experience as an NFL assistant. I'll be shocked if he's not the frontrunner. Unless he's holding out for an NFL job.

Makes a ton of sense for CU and next to none for Bieniemy. He really should be in line for an NFL HC gig sooner than later, and Colorado is a tough job where struggles could take the bloom off the rose really fast. And Colorado has a history of short leashes, even for alums. Not so many cycles ago, they hired another alum in Jon Embree, and they fired him two seasons in when he struggled to turn things around with an empty cupboard that Dan Hawkins left him.

Tough, tough job. They've struggled mightily in the Pac-12, seemingly losing some of the Texas talent pipeline and not replacing it with California.
 

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Makes a ton of sense for CU and next to none for Bieniemy. He really should be in line for an NFL HC gig sooner than later, and Colorado is a tough job where struggles could take the bloom off the rose really fast. And Colorado has a history of short leashes, even for alums. Not so many cycles ago, they hired another alum in Jon Embree, and they fired him two seasons in when he struggled to turn things around with an empty cupboard that Dan Hawkins left him.

Tough, tough job. They've struggled mightily in the Pac-12, seemingly losing some of the Texas talent pipeline and not replacing it with California.

On what basis should he be in line for an NFL HC gig? I ask myself the same question when it comes with a lot of these “hot” assistants who rise meteorically as soon as they link up with highly successful head coaches. Guys like Nagy, Patricia and Zac Taylor are in the same category. I am very skeptical of guys like Bienemy because it’s difficult to determine how much of their reputation is based on riding the coattails of a top HC.
 

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Maybe the Rooney rule directed toward hiring AA head coaches tips the scales for him.

The Rooney rule is intended to give qualified AA coaches exposure. It’s not intended to facilitate their hiring if they are not the most qualified candidate.

What are his qualifications? What were Matt Nagy’s qualifications or what were Zac Taylor's qualifications. The common theme among those coaches is that they rode the coattails of very successful head coaches.
 

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On what basis should he be in line for an NFL HC gig? I ask myself the same question when it comes with a lot of these “hot” assistants who rise meteorically as soon as they link up with highly successful head coaches. Guys like Nagy, Patricia and Zac Taylor are in the same category. I am very skeptical of guys like Bienemy because it’s difficult to determine how much of their reputation is based on riding the coattails of a top HC.

On the same basis as Nagy, Taylor, Doug Pederson, Frank Reich, Sean McVay, Jason Garrett, Brad Childress, Jon Gruden, Jay Gruden, Joe Philbin, Cam Cameron, and so many other coaches who also spent 2-4 seasons as an NFL OC before getting a first NFL HC job. Bieniemy is no different. Well, maybe he's a little different, but the NFL doesn't seem to care too much about that outside of a few exceptions.

Seriously, Andy Reid is a great coach whose entire career was defined by early-round playoff losses. Bieniemy's been the OC for two seasons, and the Chiefs made it to the AFC Championship Game and then won the Super Bowl. Obviously, Reid and Mahomes and the other players on the field get a lot of credit for that. But why shouldn't Bieniemy get some too?
 

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On the same basis as Nagy, Taylor, Doug Pederson, Frank Reich, Sean McVay, Jason Garrett, Brad Childress, Jon Gruden, Jay Gruden, Joe Philbin, Cam Cameron, and so many other coaches who also spent 2-4 seasons as an NFL OC before getting a first NFL HC job. Bieniemy is no different. Well, maybe he's a little different, but the NFL doesn't seem to care too much about that outside of a few exceptions.

Seriously, Andy Reid is a great coach whose entire career was defined by early-round playoff losses. Bieniemy's been the OC for two seasons, and the Chiefs made it to the AFC Championship Game and then won the Super Bowl. Obviously, Reid and Mahomes and the other players on the field get a lot of credit for that. But why shouldn't Bieniemy get some too?

Most of those guys, not all, had much longer careers in football and had accumulated a a more successful track record that was more easily attributable to their own talent as coaches. Bienemy, like Nagy before him, is a huge question mark in my mind. He wouldn’t be at the top of my list if I were looking for a head coach.
 

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Most of those guys, not all, had much longer careers in football and had accumulated a a more successful track record that was more easily attributable to their own talent as coaches. Bienemy, like Nagy before him, is a huge question mark in my mind. He wouldn’t be at the top of my list if I were looking for a head coach.

Bieniemy is 50 years old and has spent 22 years in the league between playing (1991-99) and coaching (2006-2010, 2013-current). Picking out some of these names, Philbin had been an NFL coach from 2003-11 and coached Aaron Rodgers. He got a job. Jason Garrett had been an NFL coach from 2005-11 and coached Tony Romo. He got a job. Pederson, 3 years as KC's OC, 7 total years as an NFL assistant, he got a job. Reich, two years as Philly's OC and 9 total years as an NFL assistant, he got a job. Nagy, 2 years as KC's OC and only 3 prior seasons as so much as an NFL assistant coach, he got a job.

For his own merit, as an NFL RBs coach, Bieniemy oversaw Adrian Peterson's rise to the best back in football, squeezed multiple 1000-yard seasons out of Jamaal Charles, then adapted to an offense that got 1700+ yards from scrimmage out of a timeshare between Charles, Spencer Ware and Charcandrick West over a couple of seasons, and then took a rookie 3rd rounder out of the MAC in Kareem Hunt and turned him into the NFL's rushing leader until he got in trouble off the field.

Then, Bieniemy became OC for the Chiefs and, again, took a team to the AFC Championship and then a Super Bowl title with the league's best total offense in 2018 and 5th best in 2019, despite playing a handful of games with their backup QB. You can say it's all Mahomes, but I can say that Bieniemy took a player in his first two seasons of action in the NFL and executed a scheme that made him an immediate superstar.

From 2001-02, Bieniemy was Colorado's RBs coach, when he took former NU signee Chris Brown and turned him into a Heisman trophy candidate after he ran for 1841 yards in 12 games in 2002 before a nice NFL career. From 2003-2005, Bieniemy was UCLA's RBs coach, when Maurice Jones-Drew put up massive seasons in his sophomore and junior years en route to becoming a 2nd-round pick.

Admittedly, Colorado's offense wasn't very good in 2011-12 when Bieniemy returned to Boulder as their OC under that other alum whom they fired, leading to his own ouster as well. But, again, the cupboard was bare. Literally every other stop, it's been superstar performances from the players under his tutelage, despite various levels of pedigree and provenance.

Meanwhile, Kevin Stefanski, 37, and his one year as OC for a team whose offense wasn't good enough to win gets an HC job. Joe Judge, 38, and his...I don't know what, eau de Belichique? gets an HC job.

Maybe the hiring process and backgrounds required for all of these other guys were wrong and insufficient. But the fact is, they got their jobs. So, yeah, I think Bieniemy's resume is more than enough to justify an NFL HC job. He deserves his shot.
 

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Bieniemy is 50 years old and has spent 22 years in the league between playing (1991-99) and coaching (2006-2010, 2013-current). Picking out some of these names, Philbin had been an NFL coach from 2003-11 and coached Aaron Rodgers. He got a job. Jason Garrett had been an NFL coach from 2005-11 and coached Tony Romo. He got a job. Pederson, 3 years as KC's OC, 7 total years as an NFL assistant, he got a job. Reich, two years as Philly's OC and 9 total years as an NFL assistant, he got a job. Nagy, 2 years as KC's OC and only 3 prior seasons as so much as an NFL assistant coach, he got a job.

For his own merit, as an NFL RBs coach, Bieniemy oversaw Adrian Peterson's rise to the best back in football, squeezed multiple 1000-yard seasons out of Jamaal Charles, then adapted to an offense that got 1700+ yards from scrimmage out of a timeshare between Charles, Spencer Ware and Charcandrick West over a couple of seasons, and then took a rookie 3rd rounder out of the MAC in Kareem Hunt and turned him into the NFL's rushing leader until he got in trouble off the field.

Then, Bieniemy became OC for the Chiefs and, again, took a team to the AFC Championship and then a Super Bowl title with the league's best total offense in 2018 and 5th best in 2019, despite playing a handful of games with their backup QB. You can say it's all Mahomes, but I can say that Bieniemy took a player in his first two seasons of action in the NFL and executed a scheme that made him an immediate superstar.

From 2001-02, Bieniemy was Colorado's RBs coach, when he took former NU signee Chris Brown and turned him into a Heisman trophy candidate after he ran for 1841 yards in 12 games in 2002 before a nice NFL career. From 2003-2005, Bieniemy was UCLA's RBs coach, when Maurice Jones-Drew put up massive seasons in his sophomore and junior years en route to becoming a 2nd-round pick.

Admittedly, Colorado's offense wasn't very good in 2011-12 when Bieniemy returned to Boulder as their OC under that other alum whom they fired, leading to his own ouster as well. But, again, the cupboard was bare. Literally every other stop, it's been superstar performances from the players under his tutelage, despite various levels of pedigree and provenance.

Meanwhile, Kevin Stefanski, 37, and his one year as OC for a team whose offense wasn't good enough to win gets an HC job. Joe Judge, 38, and his...I don't know what, eau de Belichique? gets an HC job.

Maybe the hiring process and backgrounds required for all of these other guys were wrong and insufficient. But the fact is, they got their jobs. So, yeah, I think Bieniemy's resume is more than enough to justify an NFL HC job. He deserves his shot.
Couldn't agree more. Reid just won a Super Bowl, and so have two of his assistants, Doug Pederson and Jim Harbaugh. Bienemy will be an NFL HC soon. Thankfully for Chiefs fans he can't take Mahomes with him.
 

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Bieniemy is 50 years old and has spent 22 years in the league between playing (1991-99) and coaching (2006-2010, 2013-current). Picking out some of these names, Philbin had been an NFL coach from 2003-11 and coached Aaron Rodgers. He got a job. Jason Garrett had been an NFL coach from 2005-11 and coached Tony Romo. He got a job. Pederson, 3 years as KC's OC, 7 total years as an NFL assistant, he got a job. Reich, two years as Philly's OC and 9 total years as an NFL assistant, he got a job. Nagy, 2 years as KC's OC and only 3 prior seasons as so much as an NFL assistant coach, he got a job.

For his own merit, as an NFL RBs coach, Bieniemy oversaw Adrian Peterson's rise to the best back in football, squeezed multiple 1000-yard seasons out of Jamaal Charles, then adapted to an offense that got 1700+ yards from scrimmage out of a timeshare between Charles, Spencer Ware and Charcandrick West over a couple of seasons, and then took a rookie 3rd rounder out of the MAC in Kareem Hunt and turned him into the NFL's rushing leader until he got in trouble off the field.

Then, Bieniemy became OC for the Chiefs and, again, took a team to the AFC Championship and then a Super Bowl title with the league's best total offense in 2018 and 5th best in 2019, despite playing a handful of games with their backup QB. You can say it's all Mahomes, but I can say that Bieniemy took a player in his first two seasons of action in the NFL and executed a scheme that made him an immediate superstar.

From 2001-02, Bieniemy was Colorado's RBs coach, when he took former NU signee Chris Brown and turned him into a Heisman trophy candidate after he ran for 1841 yards in 12 games in 2002 before a nice NFL career. From 2003-2005, Bieniemy was UCLA's RBs coach, when Maurice Jones-Drew put up massive seasons in his sophomore and junior years en route to becoming a 2nd-round pick.

Admittedly, Colorado's offense wasn't very good in 2011-12 when Bieniemy returned to Boulder as their OC under that other alum whom they fired, leading to his own ouster as well. But, again, the cupboard was bare. Literally every other stop, it's been superstar performances from the players under his tutelage, despite various levels of pedigree and provenance.

Meanwhile, Kevin Stefanski, 37, and his one year as OC for a team whose offense wasn't good enough to win gets an HC job. Joe Judge, 38, and his...I don't know what, eau de Belichique? gets an HC job.

Maybe the hiring process and backgrounds required for all of these other guys were wrong and insufficient. But the fact is, they got their jobs. So, yeah, I think Bieniemy's resume is more than enough to justify an NFL HC job. He deserves his shot.
Bienemy has been riding Kafka’s coattails. All the way since Kafka was at St. Rita.
 

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Bieniemy is 50 years old and has spent 22 years in the league between playing (1991-99) and coaching (2006-2010, 2013-current). Picking out some of these names, Philbin had been an NFL coach from 2003-11 and coached Aaron Rodgers. He got a job. Jason Garrett had been an NFL coach from 2005-11 and coached Tony Romo. He got a job. Pederson, 3 years as KC's OC, 7 total years as an NFL assistant, he got a job. Reich, two years as Philly's OC and 9 total years as an NFL assistant, he got a job. Nagy, 2 years as KC's OC and only 3 prior seasons as so much as an NFL assistant coach, he got a job.

For his own merit, as an NFL RBs coach, Bieniemy oversaw Adrian Peterson's rise to the best back in football, squeezed multiple 1000-yard seasons out of Jamaal Charles, then adapted to an offense that got 1700+ yards from scrimmage out of a timeshare between Charles, Spencer Ware and Charcandrick West over a couple of seasons, and then took a rookie 3rd rounder out of the MAC in Kareem Hunt and turned him into the NFL's rushing leader until he got in trouble off the field.

Then, Bieniemy became OC for the Chiefs and, again, took a team to the AFC Championship and then a Super Bowl title with the league's best total offense in 2018 and 5th best in 2019, despite playing a handful of games with their backup QB. You can say it's all Mahomes, but I can say that Bieniemy took a player in his first two seasons of action in the NFL and executed a scheme that made him an immediate superstar.

From 2001-02, Bieniemy was Colorado's RBs coach, when he took former NU signee Chris Brown and turned him into a Heisman trophy candidate after he ran for 1841 yards in 12 games in 2002 before a nice NFL career. From 2003-2005, Bieniemy was UCLA's RBs coach, when Maurice Jones-Drew put up massive seasons in his sophomore and junior years en route to becoming a 2nd-round pick.

Admittedly, Colorado's offense wasn't very good in 2011-12 when Bieniemy returned to Boulder as their OC under that other alum whom they fired, leading to his own ouster as well. But, again, the cupboard was bare. Literally every other stop, it's been superstar performances from the players under his tutelage, despite various levels of pedigree and provenance.

Meanwhile, Kevin Stefanski, 37, and his one year as OC for a team whose offense wasn't good enough to win gets an HC job. Joe Judge, 38, and his...I don't know what, eau de Belichique? gets an HC job.

Maybe the hiring process and backgrounds required for all of these other guys were wrong and insufficient. But the fact is, they got their jobs. So, yeah, I think Bieniemy's resume is more than enough to justify an NFL HC job. He deserves his shot.

I acknowledged a lot of these other head coaches have been given opportunities which I don’t think they deserved. Count me in the camp who would rather hire a guy who has proven himself as a successful head coach at the college level like a Matt Ruhle or an NFL coordinator that has been calling plays and been successful on his own over a multi year period like a Dave Toub. I don’t think Bienemy fits that description yet but if recent trends hold, he should get a shot soon.
 

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I acknowledged a lot of these other head coaches have been given opportunities which I don’t think they deserved. Count me in the camp who would rather hire a guy who has proven himself as a successful head coach at the college level like a Matt Ruhle or an NFL coordinator that has been calling plays and been successful on his own over a multi year period like a Dave Toub. I don’t think Bienemy fits that description yet but if recent trends hold, he should get a shot soon.

That’s fine, but that’s not the question you asked. The answer to your question is the exact same basis as many others. Maybe he’s turned down jobs, maybe he’s waiting for the perfect situation, maybe he’s happy winning trophies and coaching Mahomes, who knows? But if the guy wants a job there’s no reason he shouldn’t have one. He’s got a better resume than many who have.
 

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That’s fine, but that’s not the question you asked. The answer to your question is the exact same basis as many others. Maybe he’s turned down jobs, maybe he’s waiting for the perfect situation, maybe he’s happy winning trophies and coaching Mahomes, who knows? But if the guy wants a job there’s no reason he shouldn’t have one. He’s got a better resume than many who have.

My point was not that he won’t get a job, it was that I don’t think he has done anything yet to really deserve one other than ride Andy Reid’s coattails the last couple of years. Much like several other head coaches already in the league. There are other guys that I think are better qualified.
 

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Northwestern did the opposite and paid more to Kevin ONeil than Gary Barnett.
 

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