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Say TU beats Memphis and loses in semifinal. Do you take Monmouth with SOS of 166, 5 top100 kenpom wins, 3 sub200 losses, and 16 sub200 wins? Or TU with SOS of 71, 1 sub100 loss, 9 top100 wins, 8 sub200 wins? Not asking who you think committee will take but who you think they should take.

Obviously, you could say take both and leave out Syracuse, Pit, South Carolina, USC, etc. I would not disagree but for purposes of this question, limit it to Monmouth or TU.

I say TU has the better resume but historically most of you would go the other way and say the little guy from the smaller conference deserves a break. Does your tune change now that TU is in a major conference?
 
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PhoggyBottom said:
Say TU beats Memphis and loses in semifinal. Do you take Monmouth with SOS of 166, 5 top100 kenpom wins, 3 sub200 losses, and 16 sub200 wins? Or TU with SOS of 71, 1 sub100 loss, 9 top100 wins, 8 sub200 wins? Not asking who you think committee will take but who you think they should take.

Obviously, you could say take both and leave out Syracuse, Pit, South Carolina, USC, etc. I would not disagree but for purposes of this question, limit it to Monmouth or TU.

I say TU has the better resume but historically most of you would go the other way and say the little guy from the smaller conference deserves a break. Does your tune change now that TU is in a major conference?
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Seeing as we were that little guy and we pretty much never got a break... Leave them out.
 
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TU beat Iona like a drum. Monmouth lost at home and on a netural court to Iona. Monmouth's wins over Georgetown and UCLA are low 100 wins. Only the @ Notre Dame early is important. TU's win @ SMU offsets that. While the Monmouth bench has been a performance artist this year, I say TU gets the nod. At this point.
 
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Phoggy's annual rant against mid-majors. A tradition unlike any other.
 
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CBS wants the Monmouth bench and Ben Simmons. Both big draws.
 
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mcane

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I think PHoggy is right ask if we are being consistent. I think we are - Monmouth's resume is good for a no. 1 NIT seed.
 
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Phoggy's annual rant against mid-majors. A tradition unlike any other.
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I said I would probably take both over Syracuse, Pitt, USC so not sure what you are talking about. The question was asked to see if the views of posters on here have changed now that TU is in a major basketball conference.
 
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mcane

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live-rpi has TU up to 48/47 in RPI and Monmouth at 53. TU has a chance to improve its RPI. Monmouth is finished.
 
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mcane said:
live-rpi has TU up to 48/47 in RPI and Monmouth at 53. TU has a chance to improve its RPI. Monmouth is finished.
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Our RPI won't go up in first 2 games, only if we win the championship, maybe in a close loss to Cincy in the championship since. They are top 40 in RPI.
 
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According to rpiforecast we'll be around 35 if we win our first two, assuming we play houston in the second round
 
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nevadanatural

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Just because Lunardi has them in his current bracket doesn't mean they are in. He was pimping them during the game but at the same time saying the committee probably wouldn't select them. Lunardi's bracket is like the gaming devices at your local bar, for entertainment purposes only.
 
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Tu Geo

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Lunardi will "clean up" his bracket at the last minute.

Not so worried about the Wichita's and Monmouth's as I am the Majors with +50 RPI's

So Carolina, Pitt, Florida, Michigan and Syracuse.

Two get in every year.

Go TU!!!!
 
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After the selection show on Sunday when CBS and ESPN hacks start arguing that Monmouth, Valpo, and Wichita State all should have been in as well as probably one of the WCC schools that will get left out, Dickie V and whoever the hack for CBS is now will start lobbying for field expansion as there are just too many worthy teams. If CBS and ESPN both argue for it and back it with $, bet the NCAA starts discussing an 80 team field (16 game opening round to get into the main bracket...all at-large berths. Want to be in the main bracket, win your way in).
 
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Tu Geo said:
Lunardi will "clean up" his bracket at the last minute.

Not so worried about the Wichita's and Monmouth's as I am the Majors with +50 RPI's

So Carolina, Pitt, Florida, Michigan and Syracuse.

Two get in every year.

Go TU!!!!
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Yes, you almost have to print out " Lunardi-Temple's" bracket 5 minutes before the selection as it will disappear and be replaced with an almost perfect one 2-3 minutes after the show starts.
 
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Lose to Memphis:
W-L RPI* SOS
20-11 59 60

beat Memphis lose to Houston:
W-L RPI* SOS
21-11 50 52

Win vs Memphis and Houston then lose to Cincy in Championship:
W-L RPI* SOS
22-11 39 49

or lose to Temple
W-L RPI* SOS
22-11 38 50

Or beat Cincy:
W-L RPI* SOS
23-10 31 48

or beat Temple:
W-L RPI* SOS
23-10 31 50
 
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UConn with a loss to Cincy:
W-L RPI* SOS
21-11 61 53

W v Cincy, L to Temple:
W-L RPI* SOS
22-11 56 51

W v Cincy, W v Temple, L to Tulsa
W-L RPI* SOS
23-11 45 47

W v Cincy, W v Temple, W v Tulsa
W-L RPI* SOS
24-10 36 48
 
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Cincy with a loss to UConn:
W-L RPI* SOS
22-10 47 67

W v UConn, L to Temple
W-L RPI* SOS
23-10 38 64

W v UConn, W v Temple, L to Tulsa
W-L RPI* SOS
24-10 36 57

W v UConn, W v Temple, W v Tulsa
W-L RPI* SOS
25-9 28 57
 
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Temple with a win vs USF and a loss to UConn
W-L RPI* SOS
21-11 62 72

Temple with a win vs USF and a loss to Cincy
W-L RPI* SOS
21-11 61 71

Temple with a win vs USF, W v UConn, L v Tulsa
W-L RPI* SOS
22-11 56 65

Temple with a win vs USF, W v Cincy, L v Tulsa
W-L RPI* SOS
22-11 57 65

Temple with a win vs USF, W v UConn, W v Tulsa
W-L RPI* SOS
23-10 38 65

Temple with a win vs USF, W v Cincy, W v Tulsa
W-L RPI* SOS
23-10 38 64
 
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If Monmouth was in Nebraska, I would say TU. But its in New Jersey and that is all you need to know. They will take Monmouth.
 
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based on above, for TU it's all about getting to the finals - doesn't matter which team TU plays
UConn needs to get to the final
Cinncy can absorb a loss in the first or second round
Temple appears to be the only team of the 4 that must win the conference
Clear as mud, although obvious lots of movement on the bubble ahead
 
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Tu Geo

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Weatherdemon said:
Lose to Memphis:
W-L RPI* SOS
20-11 59 60

beat Memphis lose to Houston:
W-L RPI* SOS
21-11 50 52

Win vs Memphis and Houston then lose to Cincy in Championship:
W-L RPI* SOS
22-11 39 49

or lose to Temple
W-L RPI* SOS
22-11 38 50

Or beat Cincy:
W-L RPI* SOS
23-10 31 48

or beat Temple:
W-L RPI* SOS
23-10 31 50
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Beat Memphis and Houston we're in the dance.

Win the Tourney and we might get a 10 seed and get someone like Dayton. Tex Tech or Wisconsin which would be great.

GO TU!!!
 
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If we win, we're an 8 or 9 I believe. I'll take Dayton or Texas Tech in the 2nd round. Want NO part of Wisconsin. Some bad matchups for us with the Badgers and their size. Matter of fact, we don't match up very well with the B1G style of play and the banging inside.
 
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What I make out of WD's data is that Cincy is in, TU and UCONN have to make the finals or it's NIT, everyone else has to win the tourney. If we can just win two games then selection Sunday will be exciting. AAC maximum 3 bid league and 2 if neither Tulsa or UCONN make the finals.
 
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There is some concern over Monmouth stealing an at large bid, but from TU's perspective (resume) that may not be the case considering Iona became another tourney team who TU played, and more importantly defeated.

TU needs South Carolina and Oregon State to get off the bubble and into the tourney. That only strengthens TU's case and hurts the WSU's, Monmouths, Gonzaga's, Vandy's, Michigan's, Florida's, Pitt, and Cuse's

I'm guessing Gonzaga has played their way into the first 4 after beating BYU, that could all change if SMC's kicks their tail. Definitely need to pull for SMC.

Temple is not on the bubble, but if they don't reach AAC finals they could be in serious trouble.

I agree with Nevada, AAC is 3-bid conference at best, only way that happens is if UConn or Temple reach AAC finals.

John Rothstein (CBS College Sports Hoops analysts) claimed last week that a committee member indicated beating SMU was like knocking off a #3 seed. Only better for TU since they were only team on SMU's schedule to do so this season. That statement also indicates the selection committee treats ineligible teams as part of the field when vetting the worthiness of schools who played SMU.

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texcane1982 said:
There is some concern over Monmouth stealing an at large bid, but from TU's perspective (resume) that may not be the case considering Iona became another tourney team who TU played, and more importantly defeated. TX
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TU could gain additional help if South Carolina and Oregon State can get off the bubble and into the field. That only strengthens TU's case, while hurting Monmouth, Gonzaga, SMC, Vandy, Michigan, Florida, Pitt, and Cuse. If the committee views WSU as worthy to be in the field, again, that gives TU's resume a nice boost. Root against the craptastic power conference bubbles with 13-15 losses, and has a horrible record vs tourney bound teams, not good mid-majors who actually have a case.

I'm guessing Gonzaga has played their way into the first 4 after beating BYU, that could all change if SMC's kicks their tail. Definitely need to pull for SMC.

Temple is not on the bubble, but if they don't reach AAC finals they could be in serious trouble.

I agree with Nevada, AAC is 3-bid conference at best, only way that happens is if UConn or Temple reach AAC finals.

John Rothstein (CBS College Sports Hoops analysts) claimed last week that a committee member indicated beating SMU was like knocking off a #3 seed. Only better for TU since they were only team on SMU's schedule to do so this season. That statement also indicates the selection committee treats ineligible teams as part of the field when vetting the worthiness of schools who played SMU.
 
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St Mary's is an iffy bubble team themselves. 18 of 26 wins over sub-200 teams. Played 1 non-conference road game and lost it.
 
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I agree with ctt, SMC is iffy, no team has gotten an at large with more than 14 sub-200 RPI wins (UAB 2006). They also have 0 top 50 wins.
 
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St Mary's gets in imo at 27-5 and the conference champ. Top 40 RPI, Top 40 Sag.
 
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