RI lost tonight to U Mass. Did Danny's resume take a hit tonight? This should never have happened.
Massachusetts 67 Rhode Island 62
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If his resume is good enough for Hobbs, this loss might bring Danny to Rutgers sooner.
Not that I'm saying he should be hired , only saying Hobbs might want to act quickly to give RU a better recruiting edge by naming Danny right away, now that the NCAA is out of reach for RI , if that's who he wants and can work out a deal.
Not that I'm saying he should be hired , only saying Hobbs might want to act quickly to give RU a better recruiting edge by naming Danny right away, now that the NCAA is out of reach for RI , if that's who he wants and can work out a deal.
Hurley is overrated. He has accomplished very little. But he has the name.
Only at Rutgers does an ugly loss make you more attractive a candidate
Did Hurley lose on purpose so he could make tomorrows press conference at the RAC?
You are misunderstanding the situation. Hurley is a good candidate because he can recruit, and he has turned around two losing programs. URI having a down year because of injuries just makes it more likely for him to accept an offer from RU. Let's face it, the RU job is not the most attractive P5 job out there given the university's traditional lack of support and all of the losing over the past 10 years.
They were without their DPOY. As in, he actually recruited and developed the DPOY of a decent conference.
Hurleys 17-15 (9-9) at Rhody this season is nothing like Eddie's 7-25 ( 1-17.)
RI was not losing program, they had one bad year. Even with the 7 win season, they won 76 games the four seasons before Hurley got there and 62 during his four seasons.
What is Hurley's record when we take out the first season at Wagner and the first season at Rhode Island?
typical RU fans who cant look past the surface of record...two of which were part of rebuilding years...and see the type of thing Hurley can bring to this program and the advantages he has compared to others with knowing the landcape and pitfalls here
I really dont know what people wanted out of him at URI. His first year was bad because the previous year was bad under the head coach. People keep bring URI was a good program but they werent making NCAA tourneys...11 years with Baron and nothing to show for it and then he went 7-23 and they canned him. so year 1 of Danny you can throw out, they got better year 2 and year 3 you can argue they should have dance but they made the NCAA...year 4 his best player gets hurt and they have some other injuries but they still are 17-15. He was beating out RU for recruits last year just so you know. I think he gets a pass on this year not going over 20 wins.
I really dont know what people wanted out of him at URI. His first year was bad because the previous year was bad under the head coach. People keep bring URI was a good program but they werent making NCAA tourneys...11 years with Baron and nothing to show for it and then he went 7-23 and they canned him. so year 1 of Danny you can throw out, they got better year 2 and year 3 you can argue they should have dance but they made the NCAA...year 4 his best player gets hurt and they have some other injuries but they still are 17-15. He was beating out RU for recruits last year just so you know. I think he gets a pass on this year not going over 20 wins.
Rhode and the Atlantic 10 were hosed. Baron had some very good years. Averaged almost 23 wins per year before that one bad year. Thats something to show for. Not the tremendous rebuilding job made out to be. A pretty good program.
Let's see, the teams Hurley inherited were a combined 12-50. So yes, going 62-64 is pretty impressive!
Barons last year was 7-23...who cares what it was before that...he was shitcanned because of an abomination of a season...so Dannys first year there was terrible as the cupboard was bare, ditto for the Wagner situation, and ditto if he came here next year at RU..you can basically disregard those two years
Take a look at Jay Wright's first four years at Hofstra (10-18/9-18/12-15/19-12). He made an NIT in his fifth season. Think Jay wasn't a "good HC" that third, fourth or fifth year at Hofstra? Come on. Coach K's record his final year at Army was 9-17. Then Duke hired him. Off a 9-17 season at Army. Duke saw a guy who could coach. Give me/us a guy who can coach.
I like Danny. There are plusses and minuses. As it would be with any HC Rutgers can hire. But his "record" at URI isn't one of the minuses (imo). I sure as heck don't need to wait two years when his record at URI will likely go from 62-64 to 106-82 with an NCAA appearance or two to know Danny is the kind of HC I could see succeeding here.
I like Danny. There are plusses and minuses. As it would be with any HC Rutgers can hire. But his "record" at URI isn't one of the minuses (imo). I sure as heck don't need to wait two years when his record at URI will likely go from 62-64 to 106-82 with an NCAA appearance or two to know Danny is the kind of HC I could see succeeding here.
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And the two prior years were 26-10 and 20-14. So just one bad year.
In Barons first three years went from 7-19 to 19-12 to 20-14.
Had a bad year if 6-22 and rebuilt again to 14-4 to 19-24 to 22-12 to 23-11
Idea that program was in shambles is a crock. Inherited a fine program after one bad year. Not a major rebuilding job.
Pesky facts ruin the narrative.
In Barons first three years went from 7-19 to 19-12 to 20-14.
Had a bad year if 6-22 and rebuilt again to 14-4 to 19-24 to 22-12 to 23-11
Idea that program was in shambles is a crock. Inherited a fine program after one bad year. Not a major rebuilding job.
Pesky facts ruin the narrative.
But they count.
If not you have to ask what was RI's record the 4 years before Baron's last season and it is :
90-47 and that was record there without his last year .
And two years before Hurley took the Wagner position they were 16-14 and the year before that
23-8 under Mike Deane.
Hurley didn't have major rebuilding jobs at both schools, just took over after a disastrous season and followed it it with one of his own his first year at Wagner and RI.
we arent judging the URI program here...we are judging Hurley...Baron failed was fired, left the program a mess at 7-23
what dont you get about this improving....
Wagner
year 1: 13-17
year 2: 25-5
Rhode Island
year 1: 8-21
year 2: 14-18
year 3: 23-10...NIT
year 4: 17-15
year 4 derailed by injuries but you see the normal progression there on how a coach brings a program back
what dont you get about this improving....
Wagner
year 1: 13-17
year 2: 25-5
Rhode Island
year 1: 8-21
year 2: 14-18
year 3: 23-10...NIT
year 4: 17-15
year 4 derailed by injuries but you see the normal progression there on how a coach brings a program back
again...Barons seasons before he failed do not matter..what matters is he went 7-23..if things were so hunky dory he would have stayed...I cant believe people to Baron before he was fired....coaches are fired because something is going wrong, grapsing at what Baron did before he got fired is missing the mark
we get it, some of you dont like Hurley, but using Barons records at URI is weak argument.
and yes when you take over a 7-23 team thats disasterous...do I have to research to see how many players he was left with
for the record Baron was 183-167 during his tenure with 11 years of no NCAAs so sounds mediocre to me
Regardless of how valid the reason, his mediocre success of late may cause him to take a bit of a hit with his recruiting prowess.
Not overly excited about a coach who previously wanted no part of Rutgers but now possibly is available to Rutgers only because the perception that his stock is falling.
Would love to see Rutgers bring in someone on the upswing with a history of long term success regardless of how much they need to overpay.
And no doubt about it, with the current state of the program Rutgers will definitely have to overpay
Not overly excited about a coach who previously wanted no part of Rutgers but now possibly is available to Rutgers only because the perception that his stock is falling.
Would love to see Rutgers bring in someone on the upswing with a history of long term success regardless of how much they need to overpay.
And no doubt about it, with the current state of the program Rutgers will definitely have to overpay
I think Hobbs will choose a relatively low budget coach with NJ/NY Metro ties similar to hiring Willard at Seton Hall. This viewpoint eliminates Sendek who is my first choice but would expect a higher salary for himself and staff.Whoever is hired I would recommend hiring Kevin Boyle as a assistant coaching doubling his current salary in Florida.Recruiting has been the death knell of Rutgers mens basketball and Boyle is one of the few coaches around that could make a immediate positive impact.The status quo small thinking attitude hasn't worked at Rutgers and its time to shake up the cobwebs at the RAC and bring back the excitement that die hard fans yearn for.
Would you just let Kevin Boyle make the jump and take over the program as HC? I doubt he wants to be an assistant at a struggling program like Rutgers, unless like Coach K was head coach or something.
(And no, that's not my choice, I just saw you bring him up.)
(And no, that's not my choice, I just saw you bring him up.)
What do you think about Hurley bringing back Cox and Carr as assistants and keeping Macon?
Hell, bring Rice back as DOBO. Rice would be better than the Statue of Mike O'Koren on the bench.
Hell, bring Rice back as DOBO. Rice would be better than the Statue of Mike O'Koren on the bench.
I would love to bring back Jim Carr in some capacity. I can't say enough positive things about him.
Guys, We are talking about a whole new coaching staff for next season, not a cobbling together of various spare parts from previous RU regimes to supplement a new HC.
I trust Hobbs to make a smart hire. Sendek, Hurley bth seem like reasonable choices; dont see Archie or mack or Cronin or Dixon looking to move. and Danny might not either. He has a good thing going at URI.
I dont who is the best chocie; i would liek to ehar who has a specifc plan for dgging RU out of the chasm this program has a fallen into. that said the criticism of Danny based on his record at URI and not going to an NCAA is off base. first we are not going to get a coach that is perfect. Ash wasnt a perfect hire as he was missing the NJ connections.
here are some hurley facts:
the URI team he inherited had 8 returnees from a 7 win team. 6 (2 seniors) of them stayed for his first year. By his second year only 2 remained. That indicates to me that the cupboard was bare.
They were primed for aA-10 title/NCAA run this year. But injuries derailed them. The attached chart shows the impact of injuries on their 2 best players. team still won more than they lost and finished 500 in A-10 play.
The MD controversy. 2 competing stories here. the MD View v. URI view
Hobbs has to dig into this for sure if Hurley is his guy. the videos in the URI blog seems to back up the URI view but who knows.
I dont know who the right guy is; could be the mystery candidate again. But seems like DH would be able to recruit the state and repair relationships. I've watched his team play and they play tough defense; the run an offense; have guys who can shoot. They play like a real college program. something that has been absent from RU for a long time.
I dont who is the best chocie; i would liek to ehar who has a specifc plan for dgging RU out of the chasm this program has a fallen into. that said the criticism of Danny based on his record at URI and not going to an NCAA is off base. first we are not going to get a coach that is perfect. Ash wasnt a perfect hire as he was missing the NJ connections.
here are some hurley facts:
the URI team he inherited had 8 returnees from a 7 win team. 6 (2 seniors) of them stayed for his first year. By his second year only 2 remained. That indicates to me that the cupboard was bare.
They were primed for aA-10 title/NCAA run this year. But injuries derailed them. The attached chart shows the impact of injuries on their 2 best players. team still won more than they lost and finished 500 in A-10 play.
The MD controversy. 2 competing stories here. the MD View v. URI view
Hobbs has to dig into this for sure if Hurley is his guy. the videos in the URI blog seems to back up the URI view but who knows.
I dont know who the right guy is; could be the mystery candidate again. But seems like DH would be able to recruit the state and repair relationships. I've watched his team play and they play tough defense; the run an offense; have guys who can shoot. They play like a real college program. something that has been absent from RU for a long time.
You do know that the guys listed ARE Hurley's assistants, right? It's not like he's just being sentimental.
Why don't you try to look at the post I was responding to instead of acting like I brought up Baron's 4 seasons out of the blue.
I was responding to a post asking everyone to forget about Hurley's first season at RI.
You pointed out how Hurley improved on his first season. I'll point out Danny's first season wasn't much better than Baron's last. One win more isn't going to make Hurley look like the program builder RU MBB needs despite all the favorable spin he's getting.
As for Wagner, Danny did a good job his second year ( 2010-11) but Mike Deane in his 2007-2008 season had one too, while having a winning one in 2008-09
When the Hurley supporters bring up what they feel are positives that prove Danny is the best choice , they should realize there are some that don't feel as positive about his chances and show the other side of the coin.
Both sides of the coin need to be discussed, not expecting one opinion to be blindly followed.
Hurley made the Seahawks better, but I don't feel he made a terrible program into a good one
like he will have to do as the new RU HC.
I'm not dead set against Danny being hired, but feel what I think should be considered shouldn't be blindly attacked because they don't fit the positive agenda some here are trying to get accepted.
Also when I post in reply to another post I quote the post I'm replying to so those reading my response can see why I posted the way I did.
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