LOCKED:Religious Freedom. In before the lock...

[BeardoMSU]

And it is that thought that causes me to fear for my country. The constitution was designed, among other things, to protect the minority against the majority. To insure all the protections afforded by the constitution, the constitution must be upheld. It says what it says. Since the supremes began making laws despite what the constitution says, since they decided that they would decide law on what they think it should be, not what the constitution, the protections provided by the constitution are disappearing. The new government is likely to require greater submission.

Christ...human culture nor the world are in stasis....considering any past text, whether it be the Bible or the Constitution, as LITERAL TRUTH, meant to be unabridged and blindly followed is just not rational, and frankly, ignorant.

 

[Hump4Hoops]

What MS is doing is literally the opposite.

There was a law passed specifically to harm the minority (homosexual and transgender) while protecting the majority (Mississippi Christians).

The "religious freedom" laws are requiring submission to those religious values. Allowing all people to live with respect and without fear of persecution just because of how they were born is a protection worth fighting for. Less government and more freedom - how can you oppose that?

 

[00dog]

Do you believe business owners should be able to discriminate based on race? Why or why not?

Let's assume there is a major American religion that believes being non-white is a sin. Does that change your answer? Why or why not?

The issue of race discrimination is a moot point.

Let's not make the assumption. Let's deal with what is, or what could reasonably be expected to be, an issue. Not going to argue over a Martian who doesn't want to sell to earthlings.

Answer the questions in the original post.

 

[BeardoMSU]

The issue of race discrimination is a moot point.

How so?

 

[121Josey]

Bernie Sanders

For the Lock

 

[BeardoMSU]

For the Lock

That's actually pretty funny. One of my favorite films.

I've considered naming my first born Hoggle.**

 

[maroonmadman]

No one is being forced to violate their religious beliefs they are choosing to do this of their own accord. By virtue of the fact that these people open a PUBLIC business they are agreeing to do business with the PUBLIC, whomever that may be. Straight, gay, lesbian whatever. If you don't want to do business with these folks then don't open a PUBLIC business. Go private and only do business with those that you approve of. The fact that folks are claiming religious persecution because they are forced to do business with folks whose lifestyle they object to is null and void when you operate a PUBLIC business. Maybe some of you religious folks could jump into the closet the gays just came out of.

Further more any body with half a brain for business will sell their goods to whomever walks through the door. A dollar from a gay person has the same purchasing power as a dollar from a hetero.

 

[00dog]

You mentioned "wife swapping orgy" and "pedophile conventions" as if they are analogous to a person servicing a gay wedding.

Chapter and verse? Ok...Ephesians 5:18, Proverbs 20:1, Romans 14:21, just to name a few...not that I really give a **** about any of that, tho....but how about something more appropriate for reality.

What about the fact that are still dry counties in this state? Is it because the mere consumption and presence of alcohol is viewed as sinister by the powers that be in those regions? Or is there a more rational explanation? I think I know....I thought these people were for small government and constitutionality?

I never equated gay marriage to orgies or pedophiles. What I did was point out other situations that could well be problematic for religious persons.

Appreciate you listing the verses. My reading of each of those verses is that it is not the presence of beer or alcohol that is a sin, but being under the influence. A better scholar may differ, and may be correct. I don’t see it. Romans 14:21 also refers to not drinking wine or eating meat if it offends present company.

Neither dry counties, nor wet counties violate the constitution ….Don’t confuse small government with no government. Much of the small government concerns are directed at the federal government for depriving states’ of rights that were given states by the constitution.

 

[Sutterkane]

I don't think it was intended that any vulgarity, profanity, or disruption was to be tolerated.

"Fart Proudly" - Benjamin Franklin

Free speech means free speech. Not free speech except for x,y,z. Anybody arguing for exceptions means they expect somebody (the government) to decide what is right to say and what is not. That is very dangerous ground.

 

[00dog]

Christ...human culture nor the world are in stasis....considering any past text, whether it be the Bible or the Constitution, as LITERAL TRUTH, meant to be unabridged and blindly followed is just not rational, and frankly, ignorant.

That is my concern; many agree with you and are willing to surrender the Constitution. If our government is allowed to, piece by piece, disregard the Constitution, they can replace it with something that you may not like. The authors of the Constitution were brilliant. They even provided a mechanism for amending the Constitution. I do not understand how people have so little appreciation for the Constitution. I haven’t really seem what form of government you folks intend to replace that provided for by the Constitution.

 

[ckDOG]

Common sense?

Common sense would be business owners catering to anyone wanting to buy a good or service rather than wanting to kick an otherwise paying customer out the door because they have unmarried or gay sex in their free time. If business owners want to get judgy about how their customers spend their free time, there aren't going to be a lot of customers left to serve. That's not common sense, that's being a dumb ***.

 

[Sutterkane]

Democrats haven't changed in 150 years; they still support slavery.

People say dems are different now yet they still apparently believe in forcing people to pay for other people's stuff and forcing people to work against their own free will.

 

[00dog]

There was a law passed specifically to harm the minority (homosexual and transgender) while protecting the majority (Mississippi Christians).

The "religious freedom" laws are requiring submission to those religious values. Allowing all people to live with respect and without fear of persecution just because of how they were born is a protection worth fighting for. Less government and more freedom - how can you oppose that?[

What the law does is prevent the government from forcing persons to do something against their sincerely held religious beliefs. You say “small government” forces one to comply?

The law doesn’t harm others. Come on, go to Wal-mart and get a cake.

The law does not discriminate against persons because of the way they were born. If they would act the way they were born we wouldn’t have so much debate about the rest rooms.

 

[00dog]

Wrong.

The law can be used to stop speech that, for example, disrupts an assembly. Another example, you can't yell "Fire" in a crowded theater and argue no crime occurred because you have freedom of speech. You can also be prosecuted for saying, "This is a robbery. Give me your money." Yes, there are exceptions to freedom of speech. That's not dangerous ground. That's common sense.

 

[00dog]

It is his business. His beliefs and values are just as valid as yours, but I agree with your premise that not every opinion is equal.

 

[preacher_dawg]

As a pastor, if u want to marry a dude, go right ahead. There are gays who will live together as husband/husband anyway (or wife/wife). All I really care is that the government does not take away the ability to call it sin.

 

[00dog]

No. But, I believe that there need be reasonable limits on what a business person can be required to participate in. If you're a photographer, should you be forced to photograph people having sex? I say no. But things have gotten so crazy that a law is needed to keep you from being sued.

 

[00dog]

Some reasonably hold beliefs that the government should not require them to violate. Some people value principle over money. The government should not be used to drive religious persons from business,... or from owning property,...or....

 

[ColonelJohnSartoris]

You can be religious without being a complete jackass.

Props to Beardo and Hump4Hoops for fighting the good fight here. Mississippi made me ashamed again today but it was encouraging to click this and see some of the good guys are speaking up.

 

[Will James]

Do whatever you want and let the free market decide. I don't have a right for you to serve me and vice versa. If I go to a store in Oxford and they don't want me to buy something there because I have a MSU shirt on then it will economically hurt them. I wouldn't ******* sue them like a little ***** though.