That has turned out to be the scariest movie ever. But what's really scary is that the children from the people represented by the intelligent couple are almost just as bad of a problem.
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Some of these professors are so far from reality it blows my mind.
This thread is commentary on the Cavuto interview. In that commentary, the point hadn't been made(had been lost) up until I made it.
90% of whats in threads isn't directly responding to the original topic.
But actually here- the comments I cited and the point I made are about the topic since the original comments were about the topic. I was adding to the comments.
Do you not understand how message boards work?
It's amazing how defining poverty as a relative term results in people being in poverty even in a rich country.
So are you saying we should provide fewer SNAP and WIC benefits?
With respect to promising thing they don't have the power to deliver, it provides voters info on what their ideals and governing princples are. To the extent they promise fiscally impossible things, it's because our voting populace has degenerated to the point that it's difficult to get elected without promising people outrageous and idiotic things (it's a prerequisite for the democratic nomination and it makes it a lot easier to get the republican nomination) and people that are informed enough to recognize that the promises are outrageous and ridiculous are also smart enough to recognize it's an election ploy. They trust/hope that the candidate they are supporting doesn't actually believe what they are saying.
Contrast that situation to this girl. She clearly believes what she is advocating for even though it has no grounding in reality. She's not much different from a lot of idiotic voters, but she chose to go on tv.
A "lost point" is usually made in a particular discussion before people are accused of missing it and implied to be obtuse.
Originally Posted by mstateglfr
- 1 in 6 Americans currently live in poverty. 1 in 4 kids currently live in poverty.
It's amazing how defining poverty as a relative term results in people being in poverty even in a rich country.
Relativity is a *****. Being food insecure can happen by the tens of millions even here, yup.
And to make it MSU sports related- Mississippi has the highest level of food scarcity in the country. As a result, kids eat total crap since its whats available in the rural stores and is cheapest due to subsidies given to businesses instead of being spent on nutritious breakfast and lunch at school. Poor nutrition in the first couple years of life(and later) leads to stunted mental development and to physical limitations such as diabetes and obesity. The potential in these kids is being lost before they are in middle school. MSU's next great football players and scholars never even get off the ground from a lack of stable nutrition. <----- heartstring rant to tie it to MSU.
Originally Posted by mstateglfr
- Half of the kids in the US will receive SNAP benefits before turning 20.
- Half of the kids in the US receive WIC benefits at birth.
So are you saying we should provide fewer SNAP and WIC benefits?
I am not suggesting anything with these stats. I simply pointed out stats that should be alarming to all and point to the very real issue of poverty and wealth/income inequality in the US, as that is part of what the original video is about.
Originally Posted by mstateglfr
- Presidential candidates don’t have specifics for their ideas and goals. They almost never give detailed plans. Why are they supported for pushing totally impossible goals either due to financial limitations or because they wouldn’t have the power to do what they want, yet this girl is lit up by Cavuto and posters here for the same thing?
With respect to promising thing they don't have the power to deliver, it provides voters info on what their ideals and governing princples are. To the extent they promise fiscally impossible things, it's because our voting populace has degenerated to the point that it's difficult to get elected without promising people outrageous and idiotic things (it's a prerequisite for the democratic nomination and it makes it a lot easier to get the republican nomination) and people that are informed enough to recognize that the promises are outrageous and ridiculous are also smart enough to recognize it's an election ploy. They trust/hope that the candidate they are supporting doesn't actually believe what they are saying.
Contrast that situation to this girl. She clearly believes what she is advocating for even though it has no grounding in reality. She's not much different from a lot of idiotic voters, but she chose to go on tv.
So candidates are ok to promise things they know they wouldn't have the power to do because its just part of playing the game of getting elected, but this girl cant advocate for something that is financially unfeasible because its stupid to do such a thing?
Wow that is a hilariously lazy double standard.
Has Cavuto interviewed a presidential candidate and pushed them to lay out a detailed process for their plans? You know- exactly how the candidate's programs and goals would be paid for? That's what he did with the girl and made her look a fool, which she was for even going on there without the ability to defend her efforts.
You are justifying something that is unjustifiable. Sure, candidates overpromising and not giving details for plans can be explained, but that doesn't make it any less absurd.
Wow, ok, call it what you want- the point remains the same.
The girl was ripped apart by Cavuto and ripped apart in this thread, even though candidates overpromise and rarely ever give details on how they would fund their initiatives once elected and candidates aren't ripped apart in the same way by Cavuto or on here.
It appeared, to me, that this was lost on everyone here. So I said the point was lost. I guess everyone could have realized the absurdity and the difference in treatment and just chosen to not point it out?...but I doubt that.
Do you honestly think Rubio, Cruz, Fiorina - hell, even Trump and Carson -
would be as lost as this poor little girl? You are correct that they can spout some crazy idea and not have time in a debate to go over every detail (see Bernie Sanders), but this girl is so far out in space and separated from reality that it's laughable. THAT's what everyone on here finds funny. Someone (teachers, or her parents) have given her an idea - "FREE COLLEGE!!!" - but haven't given her any idea how that would be theoretically possible... because IT'S NOT... and hung her out to dry on national television. And you choose to support her by saying in effect, "Cavuto is picking on her"??? you should really be pissed at her parents for allowing this public hanging.
You should find another example of liberalism run amok to support. This one is just embarrassing.
would be as lost as this poor little girl? You are correct that they can spout some crazy idea and not have time in a debate to go over every detail (see Bernie Sanders), but this girl is so far out in space and separated from reality that it's laughable. THAT's what everyone on here finds funny. Someone (teachers, or her parents) have given her an idea - "FREE COLLEGE!!!" - but haven't given her any idea how that would be theoretically possible... because IT'S NOT... and hung her out to dry on national television. And you choose to support her by saying in effect, "Cavuto is picking on her"??? you should really be pissed at her parents for allowing this public hanging.
You should find another example of liberalism run amok to support. This one is just embarrassing.
Here's a point or two I haven't seen made in this thread.
THE GOVERNMENT ALREADY PAYS FOR THOUSANDS OF FREE COLLEGE EDUCATIONS EVERY YEAR!
The government has already promised that if you are willing to serve in the military they will pay for the full cost of a public college education in the student's home state. They graduate with zero debt and a guaranteed paying job upon graduation. ITS ALREADY FREE! If a student would rather pay for their college than serve the country that is their choice.
Also, in many states if a student maintains a B average IN HIGH SCHOOL they can get government scholarships that pay for all or most of a college education in that state. If you can't maintain a B average in high school maybe college isn't for you.
Lastly, many good to excellent students go to college on ROTC scholarships. A friend of mine's son got one this year covering $200,000 to attend a PRIVATE college of his choice, anywhere in the country. He will graduate as an officer, then the government will pay for him to attend MED SCHOOL whereas he will become a doctor with zero debt. Zero.
The USA already offers free college education for those willing to work for it.
THE GOVERNMENT ALREADY PAYS FOR THOUSANDS OF FREE COLLEGE EDUCATIONS EVERY YEAR!
The government has already promised that if you are willing to serve in the military they will pay for the full cost of a public college education in the student's home state. They graduate with zero debt and a guaranteed paying job upon graduation. ITS ALREADY FREE! If a student would rather pay for their college than serve the country that is their choice.
Also, in many states if a student maintains a B average IN HIGH SCHOOL they can get government scholarships that pay for all or most of a college education in that state. If you can't maintain a B average in high school maybe college isn't for you.
Lastly, many good to excellent students go to college on ROTC scholarships. A friend of mine's son got one this year covering $200,000 to attend a PRIVATE college of his choice, anywhere in the country. He will graduate as an officer, then the government will pay for him to attend MED SCHOOL whereas he will become a doctor with zero debt. Zero.
The USA already offers free college education for those willing to work for it.
No kidding. I got raked over the coals for linking an NPR article one time.
Didn't click on the link, but I know what you're referring to. The girl who didn't know what she was talking about.
I got through college debt free, so I really don't have a dog in the fight, but I'm in full support of adjusting the cost of college degrees. My answer to the "who is going to pay for it?" question is Glass-Steagall, which Bernie Sanders (guy pushing for free public universities) has been very forthcoming about when asked "Who will pay for it?" The problem is people who won't listen to anyone the don't agree with to hear their side of the story until a dumb student gets on TV and doesn't know what they're talking about.
In my opinion, you can't have it both ways. You can't say "Hey! Pay for school with loans!" and the be mad about a stagnant economy. College degrees have become almost necessary and equally worthless, and jobs available to students out of college pay less than they did 10 years ago and are much much harder to get. With adjusted inflation, median household incomes are lower than they were in 1999. In that same time period students loans have outpaced inflation 10-fold. The only people my age I know from State with houses now have parents who paid their tuition and parents who financed them a house. I'm sure that wasn't most of you guys' reality. I'm sure a lot of you didn't HAVE to move in with your parents after college, which is something I hear referenced a lot when talking about how lazy college and recent grads are. It's just not a realistic option for most young people now, and it's small minded to just say "YOUNG PEOPLE ARE LAZY!" and ignore the problem instead.
Free or reduced, whatever it is, I don't think the U.S. economy can keep plugging along at the rate it is or we want it to be with costs where they are. It's a discussion I think worth having.
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I like the idea of government work / debt forgiveness
That’s one area of middle ground that can help ease the problem.
There is really only 1 reason to go to college – to obtain the knowledge and/or skills to prepare yourself for a job or career. If the government values some of the trained people and can use them in carrying out services we deem valuable to society, then by all means let’s start employing these people and get them an outlet to pay off/forgive (same thing if work is involved) their debts while gaining some work experience and serving some sort of good to society. I have no problem with my tax dollars going to pay people working for the government so long as I’m agreeing with the value provided to society (that’s another debate).
For the rest of us who want to earn a living in the private markets, then you are going to have to get skills that the private market demands. Don’t buy a degree that prepares you for nothing. This is 2015. We have endless amounts of information available to us that our preceding generations didn’t have. Do your research and line yourself up with the skills that keep you interested and can get you a decent wage. Pay off your debts through the work like we do for anything else.
For the morons that loaded up on debt from an overpriced school that essentially lined you up for the barista career path, I’m sorry, you have to live with your decision. I do not want my tax dollars being used to forgive your bone headed decision to educate yourself while providing nothing that society values in return.
That’s one area of middle ground that can help ease the problem.
There is really only 1 reason to go to college – to obtain the knowledge and/or skills to prepare yourself for a job or career. If the government values some of the trained people and can use them in carrying out services we deem valuable to society, then by all means let’s start employing these people and get them an outlet to pay off/forgive (same thing if work is involved) their debts while gaining some work experience and serving some sort of good to society. I have no problem with my tax dollars going to pay people working for the government so long as I’m agreeing with the value provided to society (that’s another debate).
For the rest of us who want to earn a living in the private markets, then you are going to have to get skills that the private market demands. Don’t buy a degree that prepares you for nothing. This is 2015. We have endless amounts of information available to us that our preceding generations didn’t have. Do your research and line yourself up with the skills that keep you interested and can get you a decent wage. Pay off your debts through the work like we do for anything else.
For the morons that loaded up on debt from an overpriced school that essentially lined you up for the barista career path, I’m sorry, you have to live with your decision. I do not want my tax dollars being used to forgive your bone headed decision to educate yourself while providing nothing that society values in return.
US "poverty" = socialist country's "upper class"
You realize the definition that you use for 'poverty' is set by politicians, right?
You realize the definition that you use for 'poverty' is set by politicians, right?
I am not supporting her or her idea. I have criticized her, her group, and stated that her idea is unrealistic.
And I fully disagree that Trump(and others) could give details on funding and handling many of the ideas he has proposed and claims he would implement. Yes, I am targeting Trump there because I find him to be a joke, but my comment applies to most anyone running for president who hasn't already been president or a VP.
The fact that candidates promise things that only Congress has the power to create and fund should be made fun of on a daily basis by Cavuto, but it isn't.
Cost of living is higher here than North Korea. Therefore, the poverty line is higher.
Understanding and accepting this should be a bare minimum requirement to ever participate in any discussion on poverty. If one cant understand this, they should stand to the side and just watch.
Hasn't every generation of youth supposed to have destroyed the country?
From the self entitled booze hounds of the 20s who were destroying America's morals, to the self entitled social media obsessed kids today that are destroying America's morals... How many times are we going to point to the stupid kids when every time something catastrophic happens to the economy it's the people with the power and money that 17ed it up? Hell, the young generations are who saved the world in two wars, started the suffrage movements... twice... started the integration movement, changed the world technologically, etc. The youth are what pushes this country forward at the expense of us aging, comfortable, irritable, and stubborn folks.
If Neil Cavuto wants to slap his red meat dick all over some poor college girl who is still in the process of learning how the world works and is starting to stand up for causes... fine, be the biggest ******* on youtube for a day and get some more ratings. There are major problems with soaring higher education costs and stagnant wages in this country. The younger generations see the problem and want to fix it, but they don't know how. The older generations know how, but aren't doing **** about it besides complaining that the younger generation is entitled bitches who don't deserve anything. I don't know exactly what to, and there is certainly no one shot fix. To quote a teacher in response to being asked what's the one thing schools need to fix their problems... "Less people who think the problems can be fixed with one thing." Getting education costs manageable and wages for lower and middle income citizens to rise is going to take a lot of work. Shooting down an young girl with a head full of ideals is just so counter productive if you have nothing of substance to offer in return besides embarrassing her.
But yaaaayyy! The libtards all look dumb because a veteran TV. We win Facebook today!
From the self entitled booze hounds of the 20s who were destroying America's morals, to the self entitled social media obsessed kids today that are destroying America's morals... How many times are we going to point to the stupid kids when every time something catastrophic happens to the economy it's the people with the power and money that 17ed it up? Hell, the young generations are who saved the world in two wars, started the suffrage movements... twice... started the integration movement, changed the world technologically, etc. The youth are what pushes this country forward at the expense of us aging, comfortable, irritable, and stubborn folks.
If Neil Cavuto wants to slap his red meat dick all over some poor college girl who is still in the process of learning how the world works and is starting to stand up for causes... fine, be the biggest ******* on youtube for a day and get some more ratings. There are major problems with soaring higher education costs and stagnant wages in this country. The younger generations see the problem and want to fix it, but they don't know how. The older generations know how, but aren't doing **** about it besides complaining that the younger generation is entitled bitches who don't deserve anything. I don't know exactly what to, and there is certainly no one shot fix. To quote a teacher in response to being asked what's the one thing schools need to fix their problems... "Less people who think the problems can be fixed with one thing." Getting education costs manageable and wages for lower and middle income citizens to rise is going to take a lot of work. Shooting down an young girl with a head full of ideals is just so counter productive if you have nothing of substance to offer in return besides embarrassing her.
But yaaaayyy! The libtards all look dumb because a veteran TV. We win Facebook today!
FYI, in Germany college is even free to international students, and 4,600 Americans are now enrolled in German Universities, taking advantage of free classes taught in English, not paying a dime of tuition:
http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-32821678
Also, Georgia has free tuition (paid by lottery) for in-state residents (assuming 2.0 GPA).
And Tennessee residents can attend two-year and technical colleges tuition-free:
http://driveto55.org/initiatives/tennessee-promise/
So, clearly, the idea of a free college education is insane. Somebody's got to pay. But, hey, what about an over-budget behind-schedule $400 Billion F-35 strike fighter program for free? No problem.
http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-32821678
Also, Georgia has free tuition (paid by lottery) for in-state residents (assuming 2.0 GPA).
And Tennessee residents can attend two-year and technical colleges tuition-free:
http://driveto55.org/initiatives/tennessee-promise/
So, clearly, the idea of a free college education is insane. Somebody's got to pay. But, hey, what about an over-budget behind-schedule $400 Billion F-35 strike fighter program for free? No problem.
All of the food insecurity numbers I have seen have been crap as have the food desert maps. Just completely detached from reality and don't give any other information other than pointing out that a lot of people live in circumstances that rich, privileged people wouldn't like.
And I really wonder what people are talking about when they claim people have to eat unhealthy food just because it's cheaper. I've never been in a grocery store where processed food wasn't more expensive and when we are stretching a food budget, we pretty much always lean heavily on pastas, rice, beans, and vegetables. Pasta may not be crazy healthy, but it's perfectly fine. Sliced white bread is basically the only thing I can think of that is pretty unhealthy and cheap, and also something that would commonly be almost unavoidable for people that are worried about budget and don't have the time to run to the store enough to by unprocessed bread that will only last a few days. Surely they're not talking about lean ground beef being more expensive than regular ground beef, as either are healthy enough. I'm assuming that I'm just ignorant of how really poor people eat, but when I see people buy groceries with EBT, they are pretty much without exception buying expensive processed foods.
It's all how a government and citizens view education...
Is it a right or a privilege. Most European countries consider it a right you are entitled to. Now of course they have much lower populations and rates of people entering higher education. This is partly due to their secondary education methods which pretty much are geared to preparing you for employment in society and then higher education if you qualify and need it. The colleges over there also aren't in the recruitment business and don't typically have all the stuff you find on a modern US campus. There's no massive football stadium, multi million dollar student union, etc. The trend in the US has been to use secondary education to simply prepare you for college. This has led to a boom in college enrollment and a spike in costs. Now we're left burdening a generation with massive amounts of debt because while we pushed for everyone to go to college, we still treated it like a privilege. From pre-K to Phd... there's a lot of stuff that needs fixing. Totally free higher ed may actually not be possible, but we need something better than we have now.
Is it a right or a privilege. Most European countries consider it a right you are entitled to. Now of course they have much lower populations and rates of people entering higher education. This is partly due to their secondary education methods which pretty much are geared to preparing you for employment in society and then higher education if you qualify and need it. The colleges over there also aren't in the recruitment business and don't typically have all the stuff you find on a modern US campus. There's no massive football stadium, multi million dollar student union, etc. The trend in the US has been to use secondary education to simply prepare you for college. This has led to a boom in college enrollment and a spike in costs. Now we're left burdening a generation with massive amounts of debt because while we pushed for everyone to go to college, we still treated it like a privilege. From pre-K to Phd... there's a lot of stuff that needs fixing. Totally free higher ed may actually not be possible, but we need something better than we have now.
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You missed the point. We could do away with SNAP and WIC benefits and 0 kids would receive SNAP or WIC benefits before turning 20. Who receives SNAP and WIC benefits is primarily an indication of who we choose to give SNAP and WIC benefits to. Talking about those numbers without talking about the threshold for receiving them doesn't really tell us anything.
You didn't ask whether it was absurd or justified. You asked a question with a pretty obvious answer and now that you have the answer you want to change the question. How we elect politicians is pretty absurd because a large portion of voters are absurd.
I've never understood why free college education...
Is seen as so bad to conservatives. I certainly benefited from a free education until I was 18, and I'm sure many in this thread did. Why does everything change so drastically when you turn 18? If it's about money, the government certainly burn billions of more dollars a year on more frivolous things than education.
Is seen as so bad to conservatives. I certainly benefited from a free education until I was 18, and I'm sure many in this thread did. Why does everything change so drastically when you turn 18? If it's about money, the government certainly burn billions of more dollars a year on more frivolous things than education.
Well the baby boomers did sort of ruin it. Not in the it's destroyed sense, but in the "there's a lot of ruin in a country" sense.
And also, I'm not sure looking like an idiot isn't part of the process of growing up to not be an idiot. It's certainly disproportionate to do it on national tv and unfortunately I doubt a lot of the people that would benefit from the lesson are going to receive it coming from the Cavuto Show (or whatever he calls his show), but she looks old enough that she should have felt like an idiot already, so maybe Cavuto did her a favor that no one else in her family and social circle was willing and capable of doing.
I live in one of those states and it's scholarship money, not free tuition. The money still gets paid. Lots of students are getting their education paid for, provided they make their grades in high school. It's lottery money, however, not taxes, and it's working.
Also, I mentioned the government already offers free college education for those willing to serve the country. Quid pro quo. Something for something, not something for nothing. Why isn't that a good option?
Don't want to serve? Figure out another way...loans are an option, but so is going to a less expensive school. Trade schools are a good option. Junior colleges or "bridge" schools are an option. What's wrong with these?
Nobody is "entitled" to a free four education at the school of their choice. That must be earned, just like everything else of value in life.
Also, I mentioned the government already offers free college education for those willing to serve the country. Quid pro quo. Something for something, not something for nothing. Why isn't that a good option?
Don't want to serve? Figure out another way...loans are an option, but so is going to a less expensive school. Trade schools are a good option. Junior colleges or "bridge" schools are an option. What's wrong with these?
Nobody is "entitled" to a free four education at the school of their choice. That must be earned, just like everything else of value in life.
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