Lockdown "had no effect" on COVID

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A new study by German scientists claims to have found evidence that lockdowns may have had little effect on controlling the coronavirus pandemic.

Statisticians at Munich University found “no direct connection” between the German lockdown and falling infection rates in the country.

Instead, the study found infection rates had already clearly begun to fall before a national lockdown was imposed last November.


It also found clear evidence the rate was already falling on the two occasions the lockdown was tightened, in December and April.

The study focused on the R number, which indicates how many people each infected person passes the virus to. The scientists argue it is less easily distorted by fluctuating test rates than the weekly infection rates used by the German government to decide lockdown restrictions.

The study found that on each occasion the R number was already under 1 before the new restrictions came into force, indicating that infections were falling. The lockdown has since been lifted across most of the country.

“The measures taken could have had a positive effect on the course of the infection, but are not solely responsible for the decline,” the study’s authors wrote.

The study was quickly seized on by lockdown opponents, but its authors were at pains to stress they were not making a political argument.

“You can't tell from the data that the lockdown was unnecessary,” Prof Ralph Brinks, one of the study’s co-authors, told German television.

“All that it shows is that the start of lockdown and the fall in infections do not coincide.” Germany went into “lockdown lite”, with restaurants and bars closed but non-essential shops open, on November 2.

It went into full lockdown on December 16, and restrictions were tightened on April 23 under Angela Merkel’s “emergency brake”.

While no one has disputed the study’s figures, other scientists argued the debate over lockdown may have contributed to the fall in infections.

Thorsten Lehr, professor of clinical pharmacy at Saarland University, told German television public discussions over impending lockdown measures may have influenced people to change their behaviour and meet others less.
 

phillya

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There should be serious cost/benefit analyses of the lockdowns.
On the one side you have the lack of any benefit in limiting the virus. There may have been some benefit in the first few weeks to prevent overwhelming of the medical system.
On the other side you have the economic devastation, the lost year of education, the lost year of sports and leisure activities, the depression and suicides and a farce of an election with a farcical and ruinous result. That's just for starters.
 
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A new study by German scientists claims to have found evidence that lockdowns may have had little effect on controlling the coronavirus pandemic.

Statisticians at Munich University found “no direct connection” between the German lockdown and falling infection rates in the country.

Instead, the study found infection rates had already clearly begun to fall before a national lockdown was imposed last November.


It also found clear evidence the rate was already falling on the two occasions the lockdown was tightened, in December and April.

The study focused on the R number, which indicates how many people each infected person passes the virus to. The scientists argue it is less easily distorted by fluctuating test rates than the weekly infection rates used by the German government to decide lockdown restrictions.

The study found that on each occasion the R number was already under 1 before the new restrictions came into force, indicating that infections were falling. The lockdown has since been lifted across most of the country.

“The measures taken could have had a positive effect on the course of the infection, but are not solely responsible for the decline,” the study’s authors wrote.

The study was quickly seized on by lockdown opponents, but its authors were at pains to stress they were not making a political argument.

“You can't tell from the data that the lockdown was unnecessary,” Prof Ralph Brinks, one of the study’s co-authors, told German television.

“All that it shows is that the start of lockdown and the fall in infections do not coincide.” Germany went into “lockdown lite”, with restaurants and bars closed but non-essential shops open, on November 2.

It went into full lockdown on December 16, and restrictions were tightened on April 23 under Angela Merkel’s “emergency brake”.

While no one has disputed the study’s figures, other scientists argued the debate over lockdown may have contributed to the fall in infections.

Thorsten Lehr, professor of clinical pharmacy at Saarland University, told German television public discussions over impending lockdown measures may have influenced people to change their behaviour and meet others less.
read something the other day that said the lockdown was the worst thing they could have done...it achieved the reverse of what was intended
 

roadtrasheer

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Just another example of why we should question everything the government tells us . Our government or any other government.
 

MountaineerWV

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Just another example of why we should question everything the government tells us . Our government or any other government.
Question? Sure. I'm all for that. Always have. Storm the capital and talk about coups? Nah. Leave me out of that group.
 

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A new study by German scientists claims to have found evidence that lockdowns may have had little effect on controlling the coronavirus pandemic.

Statisticians at Munich University found “no direct connection” between the German lockdown and falling infection rates in the country.

Instead, the study found infection rates had already clearly begun to fall before a national lockdown was imposed last November.


It also found clear evidence the rate was already falling on the two occasions the lockdown was tightened, in December and April.

The study focused on the R number, which indicates how many people each infected person passes the virus to. The scientists argue it is less easily distorted by fluctuating test rates than the weekly infection rates used by the German government to decide lockdown restrictions.

The study found that on each occasion the R number was already under 1 before the new restrictions came into force, indicating that infections were falling. The lockdown has since been lifted across most of the country.

“The measures taken could have had a positive effect on the course of the infection, but are not solely responsible for the decline,” the study’s authors wrote.

The study was quickly seized on by lockdown opponents, but its authors were at pains to stress they were not making a political argument.

“You can't tell from the data that the lockdown was unnecessary,” Prof Ralph Brinks, one of the study’s co-authors, told German television.

“All that it shows is that the start of lockdown and the fall in infections do not coincide.” Germany went into “lockdown lite”, with restaurants and bars closed but non-essential shops open, on November 2.

It went into full lockdown on December 16, and restrictions were tightened on April 23 under Angela Merkel’s “emergency brake”.

While no one has disputed the study’s figures, other scientists argued the debate over lockdown may have contributed to the fall in infections.

Thorsten Lehr, professor of clinical pharmacy at Saarland University, told German television public discussions over impending lockdown measures may have influenced people to change their behaviour and meet others less.
Technically, they say that the lockdowns could have had a positive effect, but aren't the only thing that did.

Very early into the pandemic we had a live human experiment with folks locked on a cruise ship. That was the most interesting experiment I think we conducted, and the death rates ended up very similar to what we have since seen.
 

dave

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Technically, they say that the lockdowns could have had a positive effect, but aren't the only thing that did.

Very early into the pandemic we had a live human experiment with folks locked on a cruise ship. That was the most interesting experiment I think we conducted, and the death rates ended up very similar to what we have since seen.
Technically they said the rates were already going down prior to the lockdowns so there isnt a clear correlation that suggests the lockdowns were the reason. There are other examples where the same growth and decline happened without lockdowns occurring.
 

phillya

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Question? Sure. I'm all for that. Always have. Storm the capital and talk about coups? Nah. Leave me out of that group.
Aren't you virtuous?
Conservatives are the Americans who are against violent protests. It's the Marxist leftists who will use "any means necessary". The only coup attempt was what Trump faced for four years with phony Russia collusion, two phony impeachments, nonstop legal attacks and an unprecedented hostile media.
Conservatives don't support the actions of the people who entered the Capital on 1/6. It turns out, those people were unarmed. I wouldn't call what they did a coup or an insurrection. It was an over-the-top demonstration. Those individuals are rightly facing serious legal consequences. They are not much different than the folks who disrupted the Kavanaugh hearings and the others who were banging on the doors of the Supreme court. Except those people were not punished.
There are serious doubts about the validity of the election results. I believe there was widespread fraud. We will probably never know for sure, but if the election was truly stolen, the actions of the people on 1/6 were a mild reaction to a true travesty.
 

roadtrasheer

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Question? Sure. I'm all for that. Always have. Storm the capital and talk about coups? Nah. Leave me out of that group.
I dont remember talking about storming the capital or a coup...
Are you just talking about the Jan 6 or all of antifa & blm.