it wasn't like our 3 pt defense was that great, they missed a million wide open 3s. Most of our opponents have hit an inordinate amount of those recently, tonight they were uncharasterically off. We also got very aggressive on the defensive end without many foul calls. If we were on the road we might have had 15 fouls called against us in 2nd half. The whistle in this conference is ridiculous for home team
Let's be honest
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So if they weren't "uncharasterically off" they would have hit an "inordinate amount"?
Let’s be honest. We just beat the No. 9 team in the country by leading the entire game in convincing fashion.
Teams need to shoot the three well against us to win. Our offense was much better getting easy buckets. When we get easy buckets we win
That three point defense was by design. Maryland is a lot like RU on the floor. Great at making twos, bad at shooting threes. The one difference is they do get to the foul line a lot and make their FTs. So the plan was to deny the pick and roll action with Smith, which would leave the guards open to throw up ill-advised three point attempts. Ultimately, the defense worked.
While that's true, we hit 7 three pointers in this game. When's the last time we did that? It was a huge factor in the win tonight.
Let’s be honest - we slobber knocked the #9 team in the country.
RU kicked the **** out of them...end of discussion
So we beat a Top Team team with far superior 3-point shooting ?
When 's the last time that happened ?
We have multiple players who are theoretically much better 3 point shooters than their current percentage show. Everyone got their slumps out of the way before post season. Caleb is last to join but it's unlikely he plays this poorly the rest of the season just like other players who were slumping before him
See my post from the other day. This post is idiotic. I watched about 20 games last week and there are as many open three-point shots in every game with every other team that’s not playing against us .... The difference is most of those teams have a good three point shooters whereas for the most part we don’t.... One of the dumbest ******* conversations there is right now is that we don’t play three point defense.
Let's be honest----really Debbie Downer? Really, this needed to be posted after one of the greatest wins in RU history? Wow. Just wow.
I believe we hit one more three than they did on a lot fewer attempts
That’s usually how teams win games - one team plays better than the other one.
I told my daughter if Rutgers shoots like we did tonight and like we did against Illinois this team can beat anyone and we did!! Tonight
Dumbest fu*cking thread after a huge win I've ever seen. And, in actuality, many of their three attempts were well guarded and/or not in rhythm (rushed), plus they're not a very good shooting team from deep (about the same as us). In addition, they had 32 attempts, despite shooting so poorly, partly because our defense was so stifling rushed treys were often their best shot. By contrast almost all of our three attempts were pretty wide open and we made a few more than we normally would. It's called playing better than the other team. And oh yeah, more fouls were called on us, even with them fouling on purpose at the end (18-17).
They are 12th in the big 10 in 3 point shooting out of 14. As bad as we are some games we are 10th.
so Turgeon can be a d*ck all he wants but Maryland is not a great 3 point shooting team. So him pretending things should have been game changingly different is crazy. Now maybe they could have made one or two more late but we were already up 16. They went 1-5 from 3 under 4 minutes when game was already over. They played right into our defensive scheme.
Against NW it almost burned us
so Turgeon can be a d*ck all he wants but Maryland is not a great 3 point shooting team. So him pretending things should have been game changingly different is crazy. Now maybe they could have made one or two more late but we were already up 16. They went 1-5 from 3 under 4 minutes when game was already over. They played right into our defensive scheme.
Against NW it almost burned us
They actually doubled their 3 point production in the second half from 2 to 4. But our lead went to 20 too.
Agreed... in general, players are going to miss 65% or more of wide open threes in a game. They took 32 threes... how many were "wide open"? half.. maybe? They hit 6 3 ptrs.. if they were all wide-open hits, then they hot 6 of 16.. 37% of wide open 3s and ZERO percent of challenged threes.
Shooting less than 20% is a combination of good defense AND bad luck. Yes.. I am one of those people who think luck plays a role, where "luck" equals that percentage of variance in every shot.. even perfect shots that get nothing but net are not all the same.. there is variance.
BTW.. we shot 43.7% from 3. We took more threes than usual and hit more threes than usual. 7 for 16... even if we hit our average percent from 3 we win. But the pressure felt by them and not us, from hitting our threes, probably helped a lot.
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If we want to be completely honest, then let's do it. Our defensive strategy is going to result in some open three pointers. A team that specifically hunts for them like Maryland is going to result in more than "some" open three pointers.
Maryland is 289th in the country at shooting the three. Them shooting a three pointer is a desired outcome. Anthony Cowan is great at driving and getting to the line, and Jalen Smith is a beast inside. If we prevent those and instead Hakim Hart or Eric Ayala launches a three... that's a decent defensive possession.
Yesterday was a 68 possession game. Maryland turned it over 9 times. Let's say they shot three pointers on the other 59 possessions and made their season average of 30.9%. That would result in 18 or 19 made three-pointers for a total of 54 or 57 points. In a 68 possession game, this is a fantastic number.
Is this sort of defensive strategy going to win you a championship? Almost certainly not, at some point a team will get hot and beat you. Is this sort of defense something that would work in the NBA? No way, the shooting is too good.
But for this team, this year, it makes sense. It's designed to win us enough games, which it's looking like it has.
We have the 16th-best 2P% defense. Only a handful of high-major teams rate better that and you're talking about teams like Seton Hall and Kansas (top-12 teams with defensive stars inside) and Virginia and Washington (coached by defensive wizards running the pack-line or the zone).
To ask our 3P% defense to be just as good is asking for a lot of luck (Memphis has benefited from this) or to be one of the best teams in the sport (like Michigan State and Houston... and we have not recruited nearly at that level).
Maryland is 289th in the country at shooting the three. Them shooting a three pointer is a desired outcome. Anthony Cowan is great at driving and getting to the line, and Jalen Smith is a beast inside. If we prevent those and instead Hakim Hart or Eric Ayala launches a three... that's a decent defensive possession.
Yesterday was a 68 possession game. Maryland turned it over 9 times. Let's say they shot three pointers on the other 59 possessions and made their season average of 30.9%. That would result in 18 or 19 made three-pointers for a total of 54 or 57 points. In a 68 possession game, this is a fantastic number.
Is this sort of defensive strategy going to win you a championship? Almost certainly not, at some point a team will get hot and beat you. Is this sort of defense something that would work in the NBA? No way, the shooting is too good.
But for this team, this year, it makes sense. It's designed to win us enough games, which it's looking like it has.
We have the 16th-best 2P% defense. Only a handful of high-major teams rate better that and you're talking about teams like Seton Hall and Kansas (top-12 teams with defensive stars inside) and Virginia and Washington (coached by defensive wizards running the pack-line or the zone).
To ask our 3P% defense to be just as good is asking for a lot of luck (Memphis has benefited from this) or to be one of the best teams in the sport (like Michigan State and Houston... and we have not recruited nearly at that level).
Rutgers dared a team that shoots at a clip of 31% from 3 to make outside shots. It worked - period.
As for the OP’s comment about the whistles - that’s borderline ridiculous. The whistle blew 18 times for Maryland (the same number as RU) - in a game where they settled for perimeter shots often taking 32 three pointers. By the way, Maryland drew the exact same number of fouls in the game on their home floor when you take out the 2 intentional ones at the end of that game to stop the clock (and that was without Young’s defense). Rutgers only drew more fouls in this game than the first one because they had a late lead and left MJ on the floor - basically an open invitation to pound him and send the poor kid to the line. And oh yeah, don’t forget the technical that was called in Maryland’s favor but only reversed on clear video evidence. No wonder Paul was so upset. Come on man.
There’s only one game where a home whistle clearly helped RU. I could understand a PSU fan griping. Lots of 50/50 called went RU’s way at a critical point in that one. Clearly the refs returned the favor the other way with the moving screen no call.
As for the OP’s comment about the whistles - that’s borderline ridiculous. The whistle blew 18 times for Maryland (the same number as RU) - in a game where they settled for perimeter shots often taking 32 three pointers. By the way, Maryland drew the exact same number of fouls in the game on their home floor when you take out the 2 intentional ones at the end of that game to stop the clock (and that was without Young’s defense). Rutgers only drew more fouls in this game than the first one because they had a late lead and left MJ on the floor - basically an open invitation to pound him and send the poor kid to the line. And oh yeah, don’t forget the technical that was called in Maryland’s favor but only reversed on clear video evidence. No wonder Paul was so upset. Come on man.
There’s only one game where a home whistle clearly helped RU. I could understand a PSU fan griping. Lots of 50/50 called went RU’s way at a critical point in that one. Clearly the refs returned the favor the other way with the moving screen no call.
Also on quite a few of their 3 PT shots we had guys flying to them BEFORE the shot left their hands. This also can be a factor as shooter had to worry about possible block etc and can cause timing to be off
Honestly we locked up our invite to dance with this win
Lets be honest: NO ONE in the whole talking-head-bracketology-universe thought we would ever be 19-11 with a solid shot at the tournament. This season has been a surprise gift. Enjoy the ride
Its been said time and again by coaches that to win on the road teams must make shots to take the crowd out of the game.Purdue controlled the game against Iowa and Michigan State made a second half run to win the game against Penn State.
I kind of wish we had this 5 day break earlier might have prevented that 6 losses in 8 games stretch, but we should be good and rested for Purdue and B1G tournament.