Larry Lacewell news..

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Aint it the truth.
Of course a different time.
You have a 145 guys on the team one would hope you could put together a formidable D.
Which he did.
Very true....but as long as OU plays arena football in an arena football conference, we will continue to see basketball scores....as well as seeing OU getting mauled in bowl games by teams that don't play arena football.
 
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Very true....but as long as OU plays arena football in an arena football conference, we will continue to see basketball scores....as well as seeing OU getting mauled in bowl games by teams that don't play arena football.

Well dammit man...
 

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Very true....but as long as OU plays arena football in an arena football conference, we will continue to see basketball scores....as well as seeing OU getting mauled in bowl games by teams that don't play arena football.

I'm confused why the whole conference shifts towards arena football.

When TCU entered the Big XII, we were already an arena football league. However, Patterson showed he was a damn fine defensive guru even against our Tecmo Bowl conference. TCU remained quite strong defensively and kept games low scoring. He kind of proved that these offenses can be slowed or stopped.

Then, he decided to start his own arena football offense with Boykin about 3 years ago (?). I would have expected his defense to keep putting along, since he was the defensive guru. Nope. They look like any other crap defense in the league now. So what gives? Is it that defensive recruits stopped signing with TCU after joining the league and it took a few years for the ones already on the roster to fade away? Does the quick offense not give the defense enough time to rest? Are the defensive players becoming soft because they are not practicing smash mouth football every day in practice?

There's something going on that I haven't put my finger on in this conference. Patterson, Stoops, Venables, Snyder, etc, I think these guys are still great defensive coaches. I don't think it's that the Big XII offenses cannot be stopped (they're stopped every year in bowl games). What is it?
 
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I'm confused why the whole conference shifts towards arena football.

When TCU entered the Big XII, we were already an arena football league. However, Patterson showed he was a damn fine defensive guru even against our Tecmo Bowl conference. TCU remained quite strong defensively and kept games low scoring. He kind of proved that these offenses can be slowed or stopped.

Then, he decided to start his own arena football offense with Boykin about 3 years ago (?). I would have expected his defense to keep putting along, since he was the defensive guru. Nope. They look like any other crap defense in the league now. So what gives? Is it that defensive recruits stopped signing with TCU after joining the league and it took a few years for the ones already on the roster to fade away? Does the quick offense not give the defense enough time to rest? Are the defensive players becoming soft because they are not practicing smash mouth football every day in practice?

There's something going on that I haven't put my finger on in this conference. Patterson, Stoops, Venables, Snyder, etc, I think these guys are still great defensive coaches. I don't think it's that the Big XII offenses cannot be stopped (they're stopped every year in bowl games). What is it?

I've wondered the same thing for many years. Like why Leach couldn't have a good defense to go with his explosive offense at Tech. Maybe it's a Catch 22. If your defense is great then your offense couldn't be so great during a scrimmage. How would that look and what kind of confidence would you have in the offense. On the other hand, how does Mike's defense look against Riley's offense? Oh, I get it. Mike's group scrimmages against the scout team made up of players that aren't ready for prime time yet.
 

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The game has changed. Up tempo keeps defenses on the field with greater frequency and under greater duress than before. Defensive coordinators have not been able to keep pace with their opposites.

Speed on offense has become the great equalizer and beyond to size on defense.
 
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The game has changed so much since the 1970's and earlier due to the size and speed increase....and it's become a much more dangerous game.
The three games OU played (and lost) against Miami in 1985, 1986 and 1987 (Orange Bowl following the 1986 season) indicated to me that OU's dominance with the wishbone and running game in general were at an end. It showed me that the game had to incorporate balanced offenses to move the ball OVER opposing defenses as well as THROUGH them.
As good as OU was those three years, Switzer's teams were clearly over matched by Miami's big and fast defense and its superbly balanced offense. Miami and Oklahoma were....for me...like watching two ships passing in the night. And by the time Gibbs became coach in 1989, the wishbone was more or less just a very nice memory.
Through all of this rhetoric, one reality overshadows everything else: teams with good defense win championships....which excludes arena-style teams who have to score 40-50 points to win games. That's the way it's always been. Urban Meyer and Nick Saban still adhere to this philosophy....the results speak for themselves.