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Can't tell you how impressed I was by his play at the game on Saturday.

Great coaching move to put him at nose tackle. His speed caused havoc for UCF.

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I first noticed him there in the OU game. His speed as a NT is outstanding...I think he wins with his arms and leverage though. Look at the length of his arms...they are freakish. Because of that, he is able to get into and under the OL and push him back. OL can't grab him and leverage him. He flat out pushes the OL into the QB and collapses the pocket. If Monty is able to get 2-3 interior DL (more traditionally sized) to clog the middle and they could move Shindelar outside as a pass rusher, he could be a JJ Watts type. I would like to see him get his arms up in the passing lanes a bit more to disrupt that. We have had an abnormally low number of passes batted at the LOS IMO.
 
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Hasn't played much FB, but he looks like a natural in the interior line. Most kids with his background aren't aggressive enough, but he doesn't show that weakness. With his height and frame and obvious speed, he already has the measurements to get to the next level imo. Its a shame his freshman year was a waste at the obviously wrong position.
 
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Didn't get to watch the UCF game... Have we been playing a 3-4 when I'm not looking? Because there is no "nose tackle" in a 4-3
 
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astonmartin708 said:
Didn't get to watch the UCF game... Have we been playing a 3-4 when I'm not looking? Because there is no "nose tackle" in a 4-3
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We switch to a 3-3-5 in 3rd and long passing downs, and Petera Wilson usually comes into the MLB position for Trent Martin. The reason I think he's better suited for a DE in the 4-3, is he is a little bit light (about 260) to be a traditional interior DT. I think it works on the specialty downs because his height makes it difficult for a QB to find a middle of the field passing lane. If he is going to play every down, I think its on the end, maybe as a replacement for Alexander next year.

He was recruited as a TE because he had TE size and WR speed coming out of HS. He had a knee injury before last year and he was never right, only came in on a few downs, mainly as a blocker. The one time they threw to him he dropped the pass (shame too, he wasn't covered on the play).
 
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I certainly agree with you about him having all the prerequisites to be a great TE. If he can put on 10-15 pounds of muscle and bulk he would be the same size as JJ Watt or JPP (with all his fingers intact!)
 
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Kolton is playing good football at the DT/NT position. He is an interior pass rusher which we need. He will gain at least 10 pound for next year. The 3-3-5 is a great defense for us because we can fine more LB than DL. The defensive also help with confusing the QB and linemen blocking assignments. Next year the defensive line will be improved and experienced. So next year Jeremy Smith DE, Jessie Brubaker NT and Kolton Shindelar DE would start the 3-3-5 but Jermey Smith Kolton Shindelar, Jessie Brubaker and Miles Mouton/Frankie Davis.
 
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I wonder if Bill Young has given thought to running some stunts and weird blitz packages with Shindelar in there? He's athletic and long enough he can probably drop into a zone coverage. He chased down Mayfield in the OU game so you know he's got wheels for a big kid. There are so many things you can run with an athletic kid who seems to be pretty versatile in his skill set.
 
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Rjjackson4 said:
Kolton is playing good football at the DT/NT position. He is an interior pass rusher which we need. He will gain at least 10 pound for next year. The 3-3-5 is a great defense for us because we can fine more LB than DL. The defensive also help with confusing the QB and linemen blocking assignments. Next year the defensive line will be improved and experienced. So next year Jeremy Smith DE, Jessie Brubaker NT and Kolton Shindelar DE would start the 3-3-5 but Jermey Smith Kolton Shindelar, Jessie Brubaker and Miles Mouton/Frankie Davis.
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Disagree. The Multiple 3 defense you are describing requires the ends to be 2 gap players. That type of assignment doesn't favor the lean quickness of Shindelar. If he's supposed to stand there, hold position and react for gap coverage, he will get pushed off and be a non factor. he's looked the best when he's been in the 3 technique and his quickness and agility has allowed penetration and tackles for a loss.
 
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They are playing in a 3 3 5 now and he is getting penetration on center and guard which leaves a LB to blitz or fill the whole.
 
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Rjjackson4 said:
They are playing in a 3 3 5 now and he is getting penetration on center and guard which leaves a LB to blitz or fill the whole.
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They're playing 3-3-5 in certain passing situations but Shindelar is almost always in the interior DL in that formation with Alexander and Smith at the DE spots. Our base defense is a 4-3 (Luetjen & Brubaker at DT, Alexander and Smith at DE, Linscott, Suits, and Martin at LB)
 
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The AAC conference is primarily a spead conference with minimum running. The nickel defense make sense. A running team like navy then the 4 4 or 4 3 defense make sense. Navy is good so the 50 front may be necessary.
 
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Rjjackson4 said:
The AAC conference is primarily a spead conference with minimum running. The nickel defense make sense. A running team like navy then the 4 4 or 4 3 defense make sense. Navy is good so the 50 front may be necessary.
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'Nickel' speaks more to how many defensive backs and linebackers you have rather than how many DLineman. The spread is actually better defended by the 'dime' package where you have 4 CB's and 2 safeties
 
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In todays defense come down to coverage and tackling but we need SPEED! A good tackling safety can replace a linebacker in a 5 wr set or a LB with 4.5 speed can accomplish the same goal.
 
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Bill Young is a 4 man front coach. If TU wanted an odd front guy that's what we should have hired. Most guys are believers to their grave of their style of base D. The Big 12 was a spread league when Coach Young was at OSU so I'm sure he still feels good about playing that front.
 
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And I do understand we have a 3 man front pass-rush package. But the gap responsibilities in run fits are very different in an odd front vs even front. From the front 7 to the back end.
 
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I was impressed with Shindelar on a couple of plays where he faked his pass rush & stood up a yard or 2 from the line. He made a big first down saving tackle on one & helped with another. Both plays were along the sideline & he showed serious speed getting out there to make the tackle. I know Young & staff have to be excited about his potential.
 
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Tulsafanzz said:
I was impressed with Shindelar on a couple of plays where he faked his pass rush & stood up a yard or 2 from the line. He made a big first down saving tackle on one & helped with another. Both plays were along the sideline & he showed serious speed getting out there to make the tackle. I know Young & staff have to be excited about his potential.
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That's the type of play he made in the OU game...first time I noticed him on the field. He chased Mayfield down for a 2 yard gain. If he doesn't make the tackle it goes for 20+.
 
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I wonder if Bill Young has given thought to running some stunts and weird blitz packages with Shindelar in there? He's athletic and long enough he can probably drop into a zone coverage.
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When I watched the UCF replay, KS did exactly what you said at least once - dropped into coverage from his nose position and played a drop MLBer.
 
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When I watched the UCF replay, KS did exactly what you said at least once - dropped into coverage from his nose position and played a drop MLBer.
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It has nothing to do with Kolton himself, but I remember seeing an NFL doc that said O-Lineman used to (maybe still do?) look at the knuckles of the opposing lineman... if they're strained and discolored, it would mean that they're likely to blitz, if the were more normal colored, it meant they were putting more weight on their feet and they were going to drop into coverage or stunt.

Just a fun little tidbit I picked up a while back.
 
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That wasn't an NFL doc, it was a movie and it was a tell on the OL when're you could tell if it was a run play or a pass...and it may have been the Longest Yard reboot
 
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That wasn't an NFL doc, it was a movie and it was a tell on the OL when're you could tell if it was a run play or a pass...and it may have been the Longest Yard reboot
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Well is my face red! I can't tell you that I've ever sat down and watched that movie straight through. My memory REALLY misattributed that one.
 
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astonmartin708 said:
I've never seen that movie.... so I must have got it somewhere else. It could have very well been another movie though
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It's interesting. About the Philadelphia Eagles when Dick Vermeil took over and he had open tryouts and Vince Papale (Wahlberg) essentially made the team off the street as a special teams player. One of the OL in the movie didn't like Papale and basically was beating up on him when one of the other veterans gave him the heads up about looking at his hand and having the tell about the run vs. pass based on the pressure in his fingers off the snap.
 
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