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goldenhurricane2

All-American
Sep 9, 2006
7,630
8,676
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Interesting. Lots of really close games. 14-16 will definitely (should) get us a new coach.

I think the over under on keeping haith is 18 wins.
 

Tulsa_

Senior
Dec 4, 2003
2,328
853
113
About a dozen losses by 2,3,4 points.. I think we are 5 points better than last year.
 

Tu Geo

Senior
Dec 8, 2003
12,448
999
113
6-6 against non conference
4-14 in the AAC

10-20 Is what I'm seeing on the chart you posted.

Have we ever gone 4-14 in conference play?

I presume some of the 50-50 games are wins as opposed to losses.

Weird?

GO TU!!!
 

TU 1978

All-American
Jan 30, 2009
13,618
6,357
113
KenPom smokes crack, so take it with a grain of salt. Or an 8 ball.
 

ctt8410

All-Conference
Dec 4, 2003
6,845
3,872
0
6-6 against non conference
4-14 in the AAC

10-20 Is what I'm seeing on the chart you posted.

Have we ever gone 4-14 in conference play?

I presume some of the 50-50 games are wins as opposed to losses.

Weird?

GO TU!!!
Think of it probabilistically. If a team has a 2-game schedule and they are 51% favorites in each game individually, what is the most likely outcome?
 

jesterondirt

All-Conference
Sep 28, 2006
5,414
3,035
113
2015
KenPom: 22-7 Actual: 23-11

2016
KenPom: 21-7 Actual: 20-12

2017
KenPom: 14-14 Actual: 15-17

2018
KenPom: 16-12 Actual: 19-12

2019
KenPom: 18-12 Actual: 18-14

2020
KenPom: 19-12 Actual: 21-10

2021
KenPom: 12-9 Actual: 11-12
Wow. Thank you
 

Loca5174

All-American
Jan 23, 2008
10,536
5,493
113
We are just 10 days away from the Exhibition game and just over 2 weeks from the first regular season game.
 

TU_BLA

Heisman
Mar 8, 2012
29,576
13,860
113
I want to know the over/under on how many times per game we, as a group, mention left the corner 3 open or as I’m now calling it LCO/gm
Shoot, TU bats 1.000 in that statistic. The defensive philosophy hasn't changed at all and we play to deny inside touches and purposefully leave the 3 open. Even in Wainwright's one year on staff, that shot was left open BUT TU did some weird things in it's rotations so it was difficult for the guards to figure out where the pass should go or we made it impossible for the opponent to skip the pass to the opposite wing because of the clogged middle. We will see the same this year. As much as they tried to play that same Wainwright blob zone last year, I don't think any of our coaches last year understood the principles well enough to teach it or make adjustments and we just had some players who don't work as hard on the defensive end to make it work.
 
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mcane

All-Conference
Dec 3, 2003
8,457
2,682
112
as exhibition creeps closer, has anyone received their season tickets?
 

old.guy

Senior
Mar 6, 2005
1,574
784
113
I, too, received mine yesterday via email. They are not sending out printed tickets this year. You can either download and print tickets or go to the will call window and they will print out tickets on cardboard.
 

TU_BLA

Heisman
Mar 8, 2012
29,576
13,860
113
Do we still teach statistics? That seems like one of those things that would get outsourced to TCC?
I don't know. I had to take Stat as a biology major at TU. I guess it was a trade off for not having to take a language as a Bach. Science degree track
 

chito_and_leon

All-Conference
Dec 5, 2003
6,511
2,765
0
I don't know. I had to take Stat as a biology major at TU. I guess it was a trade off for not having to take a language as a Bach. Science degree track
I'm kidding (mostly). But back to the point, do we have anyone doing sports analytics? Seems like that would put a quick end to the "leave the corner open" strategy.
 

seniorgolfer

All-Conference
Apr 7, 2004
7,917
2,686
93
I want to know the over/under on how many times per game we, as a group, mention left the corner 3 open or as I’m now calling it LCO/gm

Shoot, TU bats 1.000 in that statistic. The defensive philosophy hasn't changed at all and we play to deny inside touches and purposefully leave the 3 open. Even in Wainwright's one year on staff, that shot was left open BUT TU did some weird things in it's rotations so it was difficult for the guards to figure out where the pass should go or we made it impossible for the opponent to skip the pass to the opposite wing because of the clogged middle. We will see the same this year. As much as they tried to play that same Wainwright blob zone last year, I don't think any of our coaches last year understood the principles well enough to teach it or make adjustments and we just had some players who don't work as hard on the defensive end to make it work.
TU_BLA makes good points....Also of course, the so-called 'match up' zone is hard to teach in a one off
season-pre season time frame to a player new to the system....Again this season, we will have a five
man recruiting class plus the three portal additions....We might subtract Horne, as he was here for the
'19-'20 season, but that still leaves 7 new ones, and most all of them are expected to be within the
playing rotation.....

Last season, without Wainwright to teach the little extra nuances that made this defense so baffling
to opposing offenses, the match-up was far less effective, and if it baffled anyone, it was our first year players....

High attrition and large recruiting classes have been a Haith trademark, and are probably the biggest
reasons that his teams get off to such uncertain starts.....We start most seasons with an experience
level that would equate more closely with Jr. College teams than D-1 level schools.....Let's hope this
is the season that we see the start of this damaging trend being reversed.....
 
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TU_BLA

Heisman
Mar 8, 2012
29,576
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I'm kidding (mostly). But back to the point, do we have anyone doing sports analytics? Seems like that would put a quick end to the "leave the corner open" strategy.
Someone on this board did some analysis...maybe ctt...that the corner 3 was the most rewarding shot in college basketball. It's sort of like the football coach at Pulaski Academy in Arkansas never punting, always onside kicking, etc. because the analytics said that was going to result in more points for your team and fewer possessions/chances for points for the other team.

The corner 3 had higher potential value at 35% made than a layup made 75% of the time...something weird like that. I think Aston has railed on this as well.
 
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chito_and_leon

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Someone on this board did some analysis...maybe ctt...that the corner 3 was the most rewarding shot in college basketball. It's sort of like the football coach at Pulaski Academy in Arkansas never punting, always onside kicking, etc. because the analytics said that was going to result in more points for your team and fewer possessions/chances for points for the other team.

The corner 3 had higher potential value at 35% made than a layup made 75% of the time...something weird like that. I think Aston has railed on this as well.
I guess I wouldn't be shocked if you told me Frank was an "I believe in my gut and experience and don't believe all those fancy, made up stats" kind of guy.
 

TU_BLA

Heisman
Mar 8, 2012
29,576
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I guess I wouldn't be shocked if you told me Frank was an "I believe in my gut and experience and don't believe all those fancy, made up stats" kind of guy.
I think he totally buys into the 3 pt shot is the way to go...look at how few post players he recruits vs the 6"4"-6'5" wings he says are "great shooters".

BTW, the worst shot in basketball is the pump faked 3 for the player to take one step inside the 3 pt arc and shoot an 18 foot 2 pt shot.