Keeping Eddie is a non-starter

[B1GNJHoops]

For those who would keep him over certain candidates, I'm sorry but it's a non-starter.

To the players, it's not entirely your fault.

But I would take 10 coaches easily over another season of Jordan.

There is no argument that would convince me otherwise. This is the end of the road. Rock bottom.

 

[ruman]

Thing have played out so I don't think Hobbs can keep him even if he wanted to.

But I doubt he wanted to anyway

 

[mikefla]

No one is "keeping him"...stop insulting people

Some people realise we will "keep him" because we dont have the MONEY...not to

 

[ruman]

No one is "keeping him"...stop insulting people

Some people realise we will "keep him" because we dont have the MONEY...not to

Just like Flood is still here. They will find the money

 

[mikefla]

Just like Flood is still here. They will find the money

HOPE you are right

 

[MADHAT1]

Have to agree.
Before I wouldn't have opposed Eddie coming back or replaced.
I can't see any good out of Jordan returning next season.
Got to admit he faced a tough task when he took on the job of making RU MBB respectable
and the injuries made it even harder and had to be taken into consideration before making my desion to support him coming back , oppose his return or remain neutral.
But both of those things can't undue the public perception of the RU MBB program being a disaster and not one bit of hope to improve under Jordan the way his team looks.
So it's time to say farewell to Eddie and bring in someone who has a better chance of making the program look better on the floor and to the recruits , along with getting positive press.

Hopefully it will not be an on the cheap hire and one proven to be able to build a program.
Before Hobbs hires a flavor of the day HC that hasn't built a program and not showing he can keep one on the top, maybe Hobbs should hire a re-tread that's available who has shown he can make programs better or an assistant, that helps keep a very good one very good, even if he never held the top spot .
I much rather gamble like that than take a flyer on someone that looked good for a short time, but hasn't taken over a program that was down for a long time or proved he could keep his program improving after having a good year.

Josh Pastner seemed like a nice bet to me if he became available, but the more I think about Memphis' last two years the more I move from thinking he would succeed at RU.

 

[RutgersYay]

If Eddie is kept over finances after the disaster that is his tenure, the local and national media will make us a laughing stock even worse than we are now. Eddie is dead coach walking, even next season, and that will destroy any chance he has to land players. And if kids start transferring?

 

[MADHAT1]

If Eddie is kept over finances after the disaster that is his tenure, the local and national media will make us a laughing stock even worse than we are now. Eddie is dead coach walking, even next season, and that will destroy any chance he has to land players. And if kids start transferring?

Kids transfer when coaching changes happen, it's the recruiting talent that should be the main concern. The media will have a part in what the better HS talent think about RU and RU has years of ineptness and bad press to overcome before even thinking about how the media would react if Hobbs kept Jordan just to save a few bucks.

 

[RutgersYay]

Kids transfer when coaching changes happen, it's the recruiting talent that should be the main concern. The media will have a part in what the better HS talent think about RU and RU has years of ineptness and bad press to overcome before even thinking about how the media would react if Hobbs kept Jordan just to save a few bucks.

Should have used paragraphs. Was trying to make two separate points. Darn phone laziness.

 

[B1GNJHoops]

There are proven program builders out there, from Sendek to non-Power 5 names.

 

[ScarletRunner]

Have to agree.
Before I wouldn't have opposed Eddie coming back or replaced.
I can't see any good out of Jordan returning next season.
Got to admit he faced a tough task when he took on the job of making RU MBB respectable
and the injuries made it even harder and had to be taken into consideration before making my desion to support him coming back , oppose his return or remain neutral.
But both of those things can't undue the public perception of the RU MBB program being a disaster and not one bit of hope to improve under Jordan the way his team looks.
So it's time to say farewell to Eddie and bring in someone who has a better chance of making the program look better on the floor and to the recruits , along with getting positive press.

Hopefully it will not be an on the cheap hire and one proven to be able to build a program.
Before Hobbs hires a flavor of the day HC that hasn't built a program and not showing he can keep one on the top, maybe Hobbs should hire a re-tread that's available who has shown he can make programs better or an assistant, that helps keep a very good one very good, even if he never held the top spot .
I much rather gamble like that than take a flyer on someone that looked good for a short time, but hasn't taken over a program that was down for a long time or proved he could keep his program improving after having a good year.

Josh Pastner seemed like a nice bet to me if he became available, but the more I think about Memphis' last two years the more I move from thinking he would succeed at RU.

I have arrived at the same place. I appreciate Eddie giving it a try, and will always respect him as a loyal son, but I honestly don't think he fully understood the enormity of the task when he agreed to accept the position.

At this point with the national media weighing in on the current state of our program, I don't see how Eddie can effectively recruit, and I certainly don't think we have enough talent on the team and in the pipeline to get us over the hump. I can't see how we are ever going to get there with Eddie, no matter how much time he is given.

 

[MikeR0102]

Better to move fast, then get caught holding the bag. Last 2 changes we made were in early April and it's just not smart.

 

[Mr. Magoo1]

If Eddie is kept over finances after the disaster that is his tenure, the local and national media will make us a laughing stock even worse than we are now. Eddie is dead coach walking, even next season, and that will destroy any chance he has to land players. And if kids start transferring?

Players will probably transfer either way.

If players transfer, so be it. Can't waste yet another year going backwards.

 

[SAE96]

I don't think finances are an issue. There's talk that we're willing to pay for winning not for just being competitive. That signals a shift in thinking. This season has been so embarrassing, that I assume the BIG offices have let the school know. It's clear we're hurting the BIG being this bad.

I expect a significant culture change, even greater than the one football is currently undergoing. All signs point to the money being there.

I don't know what any of that translates into. However, I can dream that we make serious run at a guy like Archie Miller. I think he has a chance to be a superstar coach. I don't think a young hungry assistant or an aging, previously successful, coach are enough to turn this program into what is being contemplated.

This one of those time i woild love to hear from BK. He certainly has a better idea about what is being contemplated.

 

[MADHAT1]

I don't think finances are an issue. There's talk that we're willing to pay for winning not for just being competitive. That signals a shift in thinking. This season has been so embarrassing, that I assume the BIG offices have let the school know. It's clear we're hurting the BIG being this bad.

I expect a significant culture change, even greater than the one football is currently undergoing. All signs point to the money being there.

I don't know what any of that translates into. However, I can dream that we make serious run at a guy like Archie Miller. I think he has a chance to be a superstar coach. I don't think a young hungry assistant or an aging, previously successful, coach are enough to turn this program into what is being contemplated.

This one of those time i woild love to hear from BK. He certainly has a better idea about what is being contemplated.

Until a move is made, those close to the program will keep it under raps or cease to be informed
before something is about to happen in the future.

As for Archie, would be great, but even if RU is going to pay far more than it used to, I doubt it would pay what coaches like Miller will cost.
Hope I'm wrong.

I'm looking for RU to hire a HC that has proven he can get results fairly quick, but not move RU into an elite program or even a constant conference champion contender.
Just someone that will make RU respectable in a couple of years then keep the program that way until RU decides to go for someone to try and bring RU MBB into the the top tier of the B1G . and replaces him with a HC like Miller.
If not that, then an assistant like Hobbs done when he replaced Flood and gamble on him like he's gambling on Ash.

 

[ruman]

I don't think finances are an issue. There's talk that we're willing to pay for winning not for just being competitive. That signals a shift in thinking. This season has been so embarrassing, that I assume the BIG offices have let the school know. It's clear we're hurting the BIG being this bad.

I expect a significant culture change, even greater than the one football is currently undergoing. All signs point to the money being there.

I don't know what any of that translates into. However, I can dream that we make serious run at a guy like Archie Miller. I think he has a chance to be a superstar coach. I don't think a young hungry assistant or an aging, previously successful, coach are enough to turn this program into what is being contemplated.

This one of those time i woild love to hear from BK. He certainly has a better idea about what is being contemplated.

BK would never discuss a change before it happens. Not his style.

 

[koleszar]

I don't think finances are an issue. There's talk that we're willing to pay for winning not for just being competitive. That signals a shift in thinking. This season has been so embarrassing, that I assume the BIG offices have let the school know. It's clear we're hurting the BIG being this bad.
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The B1G offices and specifically Delaney should have no say in what we do or who we hire. Specifically because Herman did ask for an advance al la Maryland. But as Delaney sat through a rain delay during an RU women's volleyball game he refuted her overtures. Basically saying you have a contract find the money yourselves. That's fine but they know our financial situation and have decided we are to fend for ourselves while Maryland is now flush with cash thanks to the B1G and their new benefactor UA. It's a sh*tty situation for us but that's how the B1G wants it. So they can shove a hat up their *** IMO.

 

[B1GNJHoops]

The Big Ten knew exactly what it was getting with the basketball program. But money money money

 

[RC85]

The Big Ten knew exactly what it was getting with the basketball program. But money money money

The Rice scandal hit after we were accepted into the Big 10. I definitely thought Mike Rice had us turning the corner at the time. No way the B1G saw this disaster coming with RU MBB.

 

[Mr. Magoo1]

The Rice scandal hit after we were accepted into the Big 10. I definitely thought Mike Rice had us turning the corner at the time. No way the B1G saw this disaster coming with RU MBB.

Rice was starting to fizzle before the story blew up. He wouldn't have lasted and the team wasn't responding to his antics like they were at first. Hard to believe that wasn't the bottom, however.

 

[RC85]

Rice was starting to fizzle before the story blew up. He wouldn't have lasted and the team wasn't responding to his antics like they were at first. Hard to believe that wasn't the bottom, however.

Maybe--I remember hearing some talk about Rice starting to lose some momentum on the recruiting trail after Pernetti fined and suspended him in Dec 2012, but not before that.

 

[ruman]

Maybe--I remember hearing some talk about Rice starting to lose some momentum on the recruiting trail after Pernetti fined and suspended him in Dec 2012, but not before that.

It was before. Murdoch was badmouthing Rice after he was let go and it stuck

 

[T2Kplus10]

For those who would keep him over certain candidates, I'm sorry but it's a non-starter.

To the players, it's not entirely your fault.

But I would take 10 coaches easily over another season of Jordan.

There is no argument that would convince me otherwise. This is the end of the road. Rock bottom.

A 6-win season and 30+ B1G losses in a row have to be rock bottom, right?

 

[BIGRUBIGDBIGredmachine]

It was before. Murdoch was badmouthing Rice after he was let go and it stuck