Joseph Maguire

mule_eer

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I got to listen to parts of the hearing today, and I think DNI Maguire is handling himself very well. He was giving clear, logical answers to the questions posed without playing into partisanship. I'm not shocked, but I thought it would be good to get something positive pointed out for once.
 

WVUCOOPER

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I got to listen to parts of the hearing today, and I think DNI Maguire is handling himself very well. He was giving clear, logical answers to the questions posed without playing into partisanship. I'm not shocked, but I thought it would be good to get something positive pointed out for once.
Another shocker is how terrible Schiff and Nunes are. Maybe we should rethink who gets security clearance?
 

mule_eer

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Another shocker is how terrible Schiff and Nunes are. Maybe we should rethink who gets security clearance?
I heard the tail end of Schiff's questions, and I wasn't impressed with him, especially since it seems like DNI and he were in communication. Same goes for Nunes. Rather than taking leadership roles in trying to get to the crux of the situation, they were taking the lead in partisan talking points with attempted gotcha questions. Maguire handled those very well.
 

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I heard the tail end of Schiff's questions, and I wasn't impressed with him, especially since it seems like DNI and he were in communication. Same goes for Nunes. Rather than taking leadership roles in trying to get to the crux of the situation, they were taking the lead in partisan talking points with attempted gotcha questions. Maguire handled those very well.
He (Schiff) one man showed a fake phone call between Trump and Ukraine. I **** you not.
 

mule_eer

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Honestly, I'm not sure if it was trickery or stupidity. Regardless, it was inappropriate.
 

tjebarr

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I got to listen to parts of the hearing today, and I think DNI Maguire is handling himself very well. He was giving clear, logical answers to the questions posed without playing into partisanship. I'm not shocked, but I thought it would be good to get something positive pointed out for once.

Trump and Barr put him in a difficult position
 

WVUCOOPER

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Trump's biggest problem is himself, his enablers and his faithful swallowers. His best advocate is the Dems house leadership. Will be a race to figure out which side figures out all they need to do is shut up and let the other side implode.
 

TimWVU01

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If either Schiff or Nunes cared about the matter at hand this would have been a closed door hearing (like the Senate is doing)....
 
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If either Schiff or Nunes cared about the matter at hand this would have been a closed door hearing (like the Senate is doing)....

So the US public couldn’t see?

Like moving the conversations to a different server/system? Like trying to keep the IG report from Congress? Like ignoring subpoenas?
 

TimWVU01

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So the US public couldn’t see?

Like moving the conversations to a different server/system? Like trying to keep the IG report from Congress? Like ignoring subpoenas?

it is discussing a classified matter (or at least was and still has elements of) and it discusses an issue in which the guarantee of anonymity for the Whistleblower is the MOST important function either the committee or Executive Branch can honor.
 

WVUCOOPER

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So the US public couldn’t see?

Like moving the conversations to a different server/system? Like trying to keep the IG report from Congress? Like ignoring subpoenas?
Have you met the US public?

House hearings are dog and pony shows for fame whores.
 

Soaring Eagle 74

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I got to listen to parts of the hearing today, and I think DNI Maguire is handling himself very well. He was giving clear, logical answers to the questions posed without playing into partisanship. I'm not shocked, but I thought it would be good to get something positive pointed out for once.

I thought he was evasive. It took 5 minutes to answer the question on whether he went to the White House or the justice department first on the question of executive privilege. That’s a pretty simple question. He was also evasive on whether he discussed the Ukraine situation with the president, claiming executive privilege, even though the White House had not made a claim of privilege.
 
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I thought he was evasive. It took 5 minutes to answer the question on whether he went to the White House or the justice department first on the question of executive privilege. That’s a pretty simple question. He was also evasive on whether he discussed the Ukraine situation with the president, claiming executive privilege, even though the White House had not made a claim of privilege.

And, whether or not he had the conversation is not executive privilege, the content of the conversation is.
 

TimWVU01

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I thought he was evasive. It took 5 minutes to answer the question on whether he went to the White House or the justice department first on the question of executive privilege. That’s a pretty simple question. He was also evasive on whether he discussed the Ukraine situation with the president, claiming executive privilege, even though the White House had not made a claim of privilege.

He works for the President.....the President decides what is a privileged conversation and what isn't. Every Executive Branch employee should presume statements made behind closed doors by the President are priveleged until they are told officially they are NOT. It is not the Presidents job to start every conversation with an assertion of privelege. The decision with respect to whether something is priveleged or not is almost always something that occurs after the conversation and sometimes years after. Only scenario in which you wouldn't go back to the White House and ask is if the President publicly disclosed the conversation on his own to the public....like Attorney client privelege then the conversation would no longer be priveleged.
 

TimWVU01

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And, whether or not he had the conversation is not executive privilege, the content of the conversation is.

You realize you can't in fact say "we had a conversation about Ukraine" without revealing the content....

Do you have a college degree?
 
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He works for the President.....the President decides what is a privileged conversation and what isn't. Every Executive Branch employee should presume statements made behind closed doors by the President are priveleged until they are told officially they are NOT. It is not the Presidents job to start every conversation with an assertion of privelege. The decision with respect to whether something is priveleged or not is almost always something that occurs after the conversation and sometimes years after. Only scenario in which you wouldn't go back to the White House and ask is if the President publicly disclosed the conversation on his own to the public....like Attorney client privelege then the conversation would no longer be priveleged.

No, the President doesn’t decide. The Office of Legal Counsel (OLC) does.

Good god you’re a moron. You have repeated nonsense all day long.

“CIA man” LMAO!
 

TimWVU01

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No, the President doesn’t decide. The Office of Legal Counsel (OLC) does.

Good god you’re a moron. You have repeated nonsense all day long.

“CIA man” LMAO!

The President asserts Executive Privilege...end of discussion.......

In 1796, President George Washington refused to comply with a request by the House of Representatives for documents related to the negotiation of the then-recently adopted Jay Treaty with the Kingdom of Great Britain.

This was likely the first use of the privelege.

The Office of Legal Counsel didn't exist in 1796..its in the Justice Department and has nothing to do with whether the President is asserting Ececutive Privelege....
 
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He works for the President.....the President decides what is a privileged conversation and what isn't. Every Executive Branch employee should presume statements made behind closed doors by the President are priveleged until they are told officially they are NOT. It is not the Presidents job to start every conversation with an assertion of privelege. The decision with respect to whether something is priveleged or not is almost always something that occurs after the conversation and sometimes years after. Only scenario in which you wouldn't go back to the White House and ask is if the President publicly disclosed the conversation on his own to the public....like Attorney client privelege then the conversation would no longer be priveleged.

And it's privileged, not priveleged. LMAO!
I’m done. I’m not arguing with a pretend CIA agent who can’t spell privileged.
 

dave

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And it's privileged, not priveleged. LMAO!
I’m done. I’m not arguing with a pretend CIA agent who can’t spell privileged.
In other words. I cant win the debate here so I will resort to my one attribute I can do and spellcheck.

Loser
 

TimWVU01

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OLC works for the President.

Regardless OLC has nothing to do with Executive Privilege in this case or any case.

OLC weighed in on whether this matter was of urgent concern and whether it involved a member of the Intel community.....not on Executive privilege. OLC is part of DOJ....

The White House counsels office however could be the entity by which the President exerts the privilege....I suspect the poster is too stupid to note the difference between the White House counsels office and OLC at DOJ.....Marshall grad ya know....
 

dave

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Regardless OLC has nothing to do with Executive Privilege in this case or any case.

OLC weighed in on whether this matter was of urgent concern and whether it involved a member of the Intel community.....not on Executive privilege. OLC is part of DOJ....

The White House counsels office however could be the entity by which the President exerts the privilege....I suspect the poster is too stupid to note the difference between the White House counsels office and OLC at DOJ.....Marshall grad ya know....
No doubt. I was just pointing out to cuntry that OLC works for executive branch so their decisions are Trumps decisions.