Jasper and Noah plus minus

[HalHR2500]

Minus 16 Johnson in 15 minutes

Minus 13 Noah in ONLY 6 minutes - that is bad!

Pope, you can’t have your worst 2 defenders getting that many minutes

Just horrible sub patterns as Georgia closes on a 17-5 run at end of first half

Pope just gave it away

 

[StuBlue270_uk]

Jasper just can't play defense. He's got offensive talent and ability we need but man, it's hard to play him. Especially if he's not scoring at a consistent clip

 

[Smeegs]

With Jasper there’s at least hope that he might get hot.

But with Noah I’m not sure why to even keep him in the rotation. He can’t ever seem to find open looks, and he can’t create his own shot. Ain’t much reason to play a one dimensional shooter who can’t get any shots off.

 

[I’m The Village Idiot]

I'd bring Noah back if he wants to be back-end rotation / reserve player. I'm good with Jasper playing in another uniform next year. Quade Green type performance with Rob Dillingham type expectations.

 

[MarkPftw]

I mean, Jasper is pretty awful but at least he can score at times. Noah don't do jack **** except act scared to death to shoot, doesn't have the ability to get open, and passes the ball to a teammate as fast as possible..he looks like a deer in the headlights out there.

 

[BlueWorldOrder74]

Jasper is just not good. Looks like he’s trying to play 2K on the floor. He’s so immature it’s scary. Noah is just not UK level, not even close. I like the kid, not his fault he’s playing minutes.

 

[UKCowboys]

Minus 16 Johnson in 1

Minus 13 Noah in ONLY 7 minutes

Pope, you can’t have your worst 2 defenders getting that many minutes

Just horrible sub patterns as Georgia closes on a 17-5 run at end of first half

Serious question...if he doesnt sub in Jasper and Noah for at least a few minutes, who us going to come in for our guards, Oweh, DA and Chandler? Walker Horn or Zach Tow?

 

[AJG-15]

My question : has Noah progress since he signed with UK? How about JJ? How about Garrison and Jela ?

who is coaching and “developing “ all of them?

 

[MarkPftw]

This is Noah right here...

 

[TFCat11]

I appreciate Noah representing the Commonwealth and all, but every time he gets on the court, it reminds me of guy who played the lead roles in his school plays in Eastern Kentucky, and he thinks it will translate to Hollywood, so he buys a bus ticket, and when he finally gets there and steps off the bus, he sh**s down both legs realizing that he doesn’t belong.

 

[Smeegs]

My question : has Noah progress since he signed with UK? How about JJ? How about Garrison and Jela ?

who is coaching and “developing “ all of them?

I don’t think Noah has regressed as a player, but I do think this year’s roster dynamic has exposed weaknesses that were better hidden last year.

Noah’s a player who needs help from his teammates to get open. And he had that last year with a drive and dish true point guard in Butler, and pure shooters like Brea, drawing defenses away from him …thus leaving him some wide open looks.

He ain’t getting that help this year. He’s now being expected to find his shot on his own …and is being exposed as a player who just can’t do that.

 

[Cats4321]

Jasper has talent, but he desperately needs a coach that will force him to play team basketball. It looks like his sole purpose on the court it to create some highlights for himself. I couldn't coach a guy like that...I get mad just watching him. Hopefully he matures and realizes he can't play like that at this level.

 

[UKortho]

I'd bring Noah back if he wants to be back-end rotation / reserve player. I'm good with Jasper playing in another uniform next year. Quade Green type performance with Rob Dillingham type expectations.

I would as well. The issue, as I see it, is he was paid north of $500,000 (heard $700,000 but who knows). That’s dead money and should be used elsewhere imo.

 

[Smeegs]

I would as well. The issue, as I see it, is he was paid north of $500,000 (heard $700,000 but who knows). That’s dead money and should be used elsewhere imo.

It’s crazy that we’re paying even players like Noah ….who was projected as our 12th man when the season began …this kind of coin. It helps explain how we got to that $22 million number.

I’d love to have Noah back next year, but not if it requires that price tag.

 

[UKWildcats1987]

It’s crazy that we’re paying even players like Noah ….who was projected as our 12th man when the season began …this kind of coin. It helps explain how we got to that $22 million number.

I’d love to have Noah back next year, but not if it requires that price tag.

Maybe he can go hang with perry n Oxford.

 

[BlueSince92]

Serious question...if he doesnt sub in Jasper and Noah for at least a few minutes, who us going to come in for our guards, Oweh, DA and Chandler? Walker Horn or Zach Tow?

If it were me I’d go with size for those rests at least sometimes.

It depends a lot on the game but many nights

DA Oweh Dioubate Garrison Moreno

or

DA Oweh Jelavic Dioubate Moreno

is better than having either Noah or JJ in there.

I used the example of wanting to rest Chandler but honestly all our starting guards are basically combo guards so same tactic works for subbing all three.

Some nights I agree you would much rather have either Noah or Johnson in there as a guard. But if either is having an off night on O or D or both, or just facing a mismatch (none of those are that uncommon) I’d just rather go with the look that’s at least likely to get you rebounds and some swats, plus an occasional mismatch dunk or two, with generally at worst only a little drop on defense, and sometimes an upgrade.

 

[moses1uk]

Hows that true when ive seen many here tell us if Noah and the great 5 star Jasper played we was a title team

 

[Smeegs]

Hows that true when ive seen many here tell us if Noah and the great 5 star Jasper played we was a title team

This was the cause that @Anony Moose incessantly screamed and shouted at us about for a week straight. He was just so convinced we’d be better with Noah instead of Oweh at the three spot. LOL

There are some real basketball geniuses that post on this board.

 

[Anony Moose]

This was the cause that @Anony Moose incessantly screamed and shouted at us about for a week straight. He was just so convinced we’d be better with Noah instead of Oweh at the three spot. LOL

There are some real basketball geniuses that post on this board.

I never said anything close to that. I said Noah needed to get more run at the 3 along with Williams until he was hurt and Chandler. I've always maintained Oweh should get the majority of the minutes. However, Oweh does have to have breaks and does have to manage fouls. So others are going to have to play. We don't have a lot of options.

Noah isn't why we have lost 9 games and the winning streak we were on he and the others did play more.

 

[Farsight Clone]

Jasper has talent, but he desperately needs a coach that will force him to play team basketball. It looks like his sole purpose on the court it to create some highlights for himself. I couldn't coach a guy like that...I get mad just watching him. Hopefully he matures and realizes he can't play like that at this level.

I think Jasper is under the wrong coach. Imagine what he would be like under Bruce Pearl or Dusty May

 

[Coach777]

My question : has Noah progress since he signed with UK? How about JJ? How about Garrison and Jela ?

who is coaching and “developing “ all of them?

I've replied to many post regarding no player development which gains very little attention. I can assure you nothing is being taught on either side of the ball. When you focus on developing skills in any sport repetition is done to create Muscle Memory. The most glaring example is none of the bigs having any skills offensively or defensively around the basketball. No footwork or moves which can easily be taught over the period of the season. JJ with a good coach can become much better deffender but has poor footwork to stay in front of defender. BG no improvement in 2 years and thats on the coach no matter his basketball IQ. If I was fighting against Pope these are easy things to show a recruit to steer them away. He has shown to people like myself it will be impossible for him to hang a banner.

 

[Winston Wolf]

I think Jasper is under the wrong coach. Imagine what he would be like under Bruce Pearl or Dusty May

He would be a consistent minus 12-17 player. Just like he is now.

 

[MegaBlue05]

I have family in the area where JJ played most of his HS ball and they watched him a lot.

Knock on him even then was “uninterested in defense, very interested in shooting as much as possible.” I get part of that is being the best player on his team and conserving energy for offense, but old habits die hard.

 

[KyWideWes]

The softest player on our team is from huge football family. That is insane.

 

[HipTer]

Jasper has talent, but he desperately needs a coach that will force him to play team basketball. It looks like his sole purpose on the court it to create some highlights for himself. I couldn't coach a guy like that...I get mad just watching him. Hopefully he matures and realizes he can't play like that at this level.

I agree that Jasper needs some tough coaching for his own good. Is he getting that at UK? Who knows (although I'm sure plenty will claim to), but I suspect he has gotten some of that from the coaches. But I believe that Johnson has to get stronger and much more physical to be a starter (or maybe even be a productive bench player) in the SEC. I also think he's probably already gotten more minutes than his play has deserved this season. If he doesn't want to recognize his pretty glaring deficiencies and be committed to improving those - particularly defense - then I believe it would be best for all involved if he went elsewhere.

Of course, what would then be likely to happen is he goes somewhere else, the coach says you can't play unless you work on your body and toughen up, he does that and his offensive potential starts to come through and I'm hating the fact he's no longer at UK. But I think it often it takes a change of scenery to get real and fix issues.

 

[GoCATSGo77]

Bring back Jasper next year: too talented not to, if he doesn't play defense, he can see his way out.

Tell Noah best of luck next year: he's a WKU/EKU level player.

 

[HipTer]

The softest player on our team is from huge football family. That is insane.

Lol. How did Jasper not get at least some of that bulk size and football physicality? Plus, by all accounts, his grandmother is a heck of a cook. Are there many other Johnson grandkids - is it possible Jasper was babied a little by mom and grandma? (Don't take that to be serious. I know nothing about the family other than they seem to be some very fine folks.)

 

[Eagles_Ball_69]

Minus 16 Johnson in 15 minutes

Minus 13 Noah in ONLY 6 minutes - that is bad!

Pope, you can’t have your worst 2 defenders getting that many minutes

Just horrible sub patterns as Georgia closes on a 17-5 run at end of first half

Pope just gave it away

Stop with the individual +/- for a game. It's a USELESS stat. Lineup constructions +/- in a single game is telling. You know why Jasper and Noah were so bad with their plus/minus? Because they were on the court TOGETHER and with either BG or Jelavich. Put 3 or 4 of the worst players in your rotation on the court together and they're all, shockingly, going to have a brutal plus/minus. None of them are any good, we get that. So why does our coach insist on playing them together? A single player's plus/minus means nothing. Sub Chandler out and put JJ in his spot with the starters and his plus/minus is likely negligible.

If you really insist on using plus/minus to prove a point in a single game, pay for the stats for lineup construction. Then gripe. You'll have plenty of lineups to gripe about. For a guy that prides himself of his staffs use of analytics, Pope whiffs on the simplest one when it comes to putting the correct players on the court. It borders on Cals refusal to play Reed, Rob and Antonio together two years ago. Coaching malpractice.

 

[Eagles_Ball_69]

Serious question...if he doesnt sub in Jasper and Noah for at least a few minutes, who us going to come in for our guards, Oweh, DA and Chandler? Walker Horn or Zach Tow?

Don't put them in TOGETHER. That's the entire issue. Stagger the subs. If you've coached above rec youth league basketball, you understand this. Pope and his staff should.

 

[NociHTTP]

With Jasper there’s at least hope that he might get hot.

But with Noah I’m not sure why to even keep him in the rotation. He can’t ever seem to find open looks, and he can’t create his own shot. Ain’t much reason to play a one dimensional shooter who can’t get any shots off.

Noah has good looks, he's just so concerned about getting taken out that he refuses to shoot.

 

[Woodrow24]

Jasper has potential, he’s just a typical freshman that needs more time to develop to compete at this level. The weight room and experience is what that kid needs.

 

[UKCowboys]

Don't put them in TOGETHER. That's the entire issue. Stagger the subs. If you've coached above rec youth league basketball, you understand this. Pope and his staff should.

What stagger? Garrison got 13 minutes. MM sat 11 min. Garrison played when MM sat.
Jelly and Mo got 36 of the 40 min at the four. Noah got the other few minutes. Jasper played 15 minutes. Oweh, DA and CC sat a total of 14. Its pretty clear cut.

 

[yoshukai]

It’s crazy that we’re paying even players like Noah ….who was projected as our 12th man when the season began …this kind of coin. It helps explain how we got to that $22 million number.

I’d love to have Noah back next year, but not if it requires that price tag.

nm

 

[Eagles_Ball_69]

What stagger? Garrison got 13 minutes. MM sat 11 min. Garrison played when MM sat.
Jelly and Mo got 36 of the 40 min at the four. Noah got the other few minutes. Jasper played 15 minutes. Oweh, DA and CC sat a total of 14. Its pretty clear cut.

I put it in another response...I think it was to you, but I can't remember.

In general...DA, CC, OO, and MM...three of those four have to be on the court at all times. When it's three of them, MO has to be one of the subs on the court with the three others. If all four are on the court, any of the others can be out there. Fouls could affect that, but it didn't last night.

Last night in particular...JJ, Noah, and Garrison played 3 mins together. With that lineup the team was -8. In three minutes. That's one example of three from last night where lineups cost them. Mo played 19 mins. He needs more. Jelavich played 16 mins. He probably needs more. Jasper played too many minutes. 35-36 mins from the three guards that can actually play back JJ's mins up 5 or so in last nights game. Probably the difference in the game, just right there.

 

[CatBearPig]

Jasper will never be what you all want him to be. He’ll never be unselfish enough to get there.

 

[MichaelGray]

With Jasper there’s at least hope that he might get hot.

But with Noah I’m not sure why to even keep him in the rotation. He can’t ever seem to find open looks, and he can’t create his own shot. Ain’t much reason to play a one dimensional shooter who can’t get any shots off.

Noah will grab a rebound every once in a while & miss the front end of a 1 & 1, yeah, he needs to play more lol.

 

[MichaelGray]

Serious question...if he doesnt sub in Jasper and Noah for at least a few minutes, who us going to come in for our guards, Oweh, DA and Chandler? Walker Horn or Zach Tow?

You're exactly right but Noah needs to come back out ASAP.

 

[bigblueinsanity (the real)]

Serious question...if he doesnt sub in Jasper and Noah for at least a few minutes, who us going to come in for our guards, Oweh, DA and Chandler? Walker Horn or Zach Tow?

Imo noah is fine. He isnt going to set the world on fire but he isn't going to lose the game.

Jasper on the other hand just wrecks everything. Cant guard. Cant distribute. Just guns every chance he gets. He's literally like the biddy ball kid who shoots it every time before his parents said to. It kills everything.

Now Jasper playing like that is on pope. He is just letting this kid run wild.

 

[MichaelGray]

I think Jasper is under the wrong coach. Imagine what he would be like under Bruce Pearl or Dusty May

He would probably look better but they can't fix him being slow, I thought he was faster than he is.

 

[UKreturntogreatness]

I still would like to see Hawthorne. Red-shirt in this era makes no sense to me. He may stink but let's see. We need some hope.