Isn't it amazing?

[moe]

that one day Trump is not under investigation and the next day he is. How is that even possible?? I guess Trump asking and being told that he wasn't under investigation and those who pointed to same, it didn't really matter at all, crazy.

Mueller Seeks to Talk to Intelligence Officials, Hinting at Inquiry of Trump

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/14/...n-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0

 

[RichardPeterJohnson]

that one day Trump is not under investigation and the next day he is. How is that even possible?? I guess Trump asking and being told that he wasn't under investigation and those who pointed to same, it didn't really matter at all, crazy.

Mueller Seeks to Talk to Intelligence Officials, Hinting at Inquiry of Trump

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/14/...n-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0

The SOB is so stupid, it's unbelievable. Everyone knows his campaign was under investigation for colluding with Russia. And inevitably that investigation would lead to individuals-maybe Trump, maybe not. But then the ignorant bastard had to try to stop the investigation. Which begs the question, does stop =obstruct? [roll]

 

[moe]

The SOB is so stupid, it's unbelievable. Everyone know his campaign was under investigation for colluding with Russia. And inevitably that investigation would lead to individuals-maybe Trump, maybe not. But then the ignorant bastard had to try to stop the investigation. Which begs the question, does stop =obstruct? [roll]

but he's new to all this so it's ok. [eyeroll]

 

[RichardPeterJohnson]

but he's new to all this so it's ok. [eyeroll]

An incredibly stupid excuse put forth by someone with no backbone. When you get into the arena, you need to be prepared. Obviously we all know who wasn't prepared.

 

[TarHeelEer]

was under investigation

Correct tense, no indictments whatsoever

does stop =obstruct?

No. Especially not to the point that the House will do anything about any convoluted charges Meuller comes up with.

 

[RichardPeterJohnson]

Correct tense, no indictments whatsoever



No. Especially not to the point that the House will do anything about any convoluted charges Meuller comes up with.

The investigation is complete? I guess the "fake news" and Mueller and Rosenstein haven't picked up on that yet.

 

[WVUCOOPER]

Correct tense, no indictments whatsoever



No. Especially not to the point that the House will do anything about any convoluted charges Meuller comes up with.

^^ OMG. Sooooo butt hurt.

 

[countryroads89_rivals]

Correct tense, no indictments whatsoever



No. Especially not to the point that the House will do anything about any convoluted charges Meuller comes up with.

Attack the special counsel. That's a solid strategy. See how well it has worked for little hands so far?

 

[atlkvb]

The investigation is complete? I guess the "fake news" and Mueller and Rosenstein haven't picked up on that yet.

I think we should "investigate" your mental processes RPJ.

Who knows what we might find?

The seriousness of the asinine statements you often make warrant inquiry wouldn't you agree?

 

[TarHeelEer]

The investigation is complete? I guess the "fake news" and Mueller and Rosenstein haven't picked up on that yet.

The collusion investigation is, or they wouldn't have moved on to a blind shot in the dark with obstruction. They'll conjure up something for the investigation to have meaning.

 

[TarHeelEer]

Attack the special counsel. That's a solid strategy. See how well it has worked for little hands so far?

Trump isn't talking I am.

 

[atlkvb]

that one day Trump is not under investigation and the next day he is. How is that even possible?? I guess Trump asking and being told that he wasn't under investigation and those who pointed to same, it didn't really matter at all, crazy.

Mueller Seeks to Talk to Intelligence Officials, Hinting at Inquiry of Trump

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/14/...n-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0

moe can you tell us what part of the investigation into Trump's alleged "collusion" with Russians has been obstructed, or which part of the scheme he's ordered stopped or actually tried to shut down?

 

[atlkvb]

The collusion investigation is, or they wouldn't have moved on to a blind shot in the dark with obstruction. They'll conjure up something for the investigation to have meaning.

After the obstruction probe runs into a brick wall, they'll investigate him "intimidating" investigators for trying to get to the bottom of the phony charges.

 

[TarHeelEer]

^^ OMG. Sooooo butt hurt.

Not butthurt, tired of the charade. Let's get it on matters that actually mean something.

 

[countryroads89_rivals]

The collusion investigation is, or they wouldn't have moved on to a blind shot in the dark with obstruction. They'll conjure up something for the investigation to have meaning.

[laughing][roll][laughing]

 

[moe]

The collusion investigation is, or they wouldn't have moved on to a blind shot in the dark with obstruction.

That's what patx does, just keep saying it and hope that maybe it will be true. I wouldn't place too big of a bet on that but good luck.

 

[RichardPeterJohnson]

The collusion investigation is, or they wouldn't have moved on to a blind shot in the dark with obstruction. They'll conjure up something for the investigation to have meaning.

You are clueless.

 

[WVUCOOPER]

Not butthurt, tired of the charade. Let's get it on matters that actually mean something.

Some of us are humble enough, and non butt hurt enough, to recognize we are not lifelong investigators and have no idea what's going on with the investigation and will just let the "deep state" do their jobs. Russia interference, team members colluding, obstructing of justice....these don't matter?

What actually does matter?

 

[atlkvb]

That's what patx does, just keep saying it and hope that maybe it will be true. I wouldn't place too big of a bet on that but good luck.

It would be nice if you could point out to us the evidence of "collusion" that's been found, or exactly what it is Trump is hiding or what part of the investigation has been obstructed?

What is it thatTrump allowed the Russians to do in order to assure his election?

What did he "collude" with them on?

What activity is he hiding or keeping investigators from finding out?

Tell us what you're expecting the investigators to find?

What will we know when they get to the bottom of everything?

 

[atlkvb]

Some of us are humble enough, and non butt hurt enough, to recognize we are not lifelong investigators and have no idea what's going on with the investigation and will just let the "deep state" do their jobs. Russia interference, team members colluding, obstructing of justice....these don't matter?

What actually does matter?

What actually did happen?

 

[RichardPeterJohnson]

Some of us are humble enough, and non butt hurt enough, to recognize we are not lifelong investigators and have no idea what's going on with the investigation and will just let the "deep state" do their jobs. Russia interference, team members colluding, obstructing of justice....these don't matter?

What actually does matter?

Don't you know Coop, God wanted Trumplethinskin to win. Therefore, the Russians were doing God's work. It's all good.

 

[RichardPeterJohnson]

What actually did happen?

Really? Can't you read? There is an investigation which will determine what happend and it is not complete? That's why you wingnuts who keep asking for evidence are so stupid.

 

[TarHeelEer]

Really? Can't you read? There is an investigation which will determine what happend and it is not complete? That's why you wingnuts who keep asking for evidence are so stupid.

 

[countryroads89_rivals]

What actually did happen?

I know it is a very difficult concept for you to grasp, but that is exactly what they are investigating.

Some results have actually been released already. Let's summarize:
Flynn lied about contacts with Russians.
Flynn illegally accepted money from Russia.
Flynn illegally accepted money from Turkey.
Sessions lied under oath at his confirmation hearing.
Kushner failed to disclose contacts with Russia on his security clearance (a crime).

Stay tuned, more to follow.

 

[RichardPeterJohnson]

Clapper left office 5 months ago. He, like you, is not privy to the current investigation.

 

[atlkvb]

Really? Can't you read? There is an investigation which will determine what happend and it is not complete? That's why you wingnuts who keep asking for evidence are so stupid.

Well last week when Comey was supposed to testify about how Trump allegedly "obstructed" his investigation or asked him to call it off and he denied all of it that apparently wasn't good enough for you was it RPJ?

So my question now is why did Comey even bother to testify? Nothing he could have said would have settled it in your mind right? There HAS to be some obstruction, Comey just wasn't aware of it right?

All he actually did was make himself look bad, and suggest the real evidence of the real "collusion" lies in Obama's Justice department with Loretta Lynch!

But you're not interested in any investigation of that are you RPJ?

 

[TarHeelEer]

Some of us are humble enough, and non butt hurt enough, to recognize we are not lifelong investigators and have no idea what's going on with the investigation and will just let the "deep state" do their jobs. Russia interference, team members colluding, obstructing of justice....these don't matter?

What actually does matter?

Russia interference matters. Collusion would matter if it happened. However, no evidence of collusion from multiple Dems in the know, and now Meuller, barely a week or two into it, has moved on to obstruction. Obstruction where no collusion exists is fracking stupid.

 

[atlkvb]

OK country let's review:

Flynn lied about contacts with Russians.

If investigators already know Flynn had contacts with Russians how were those related to helping them steer the election results to Trump? In fact, most of those contacts were totally unrelated to his work on Trump's campaign. If they know all of this, what "lie" did Flynn tell related to the campaign?

Flynn illegally accepted money from Russia.

Again, how did this allow them to influence votes for Trump? He was an international consultant accepting compensation for services rendered, any proof any of his payments went directly into Trump's campaign to steal the election with the help of the Russians or was used to help Russians steal votes for him?(Trump)

Flynn illegally accepted money from Turkey.

See answer to above pointless question.

Sessions lied under oath at his confirmation hearing.

Sessions didn't "lie" under oath. That's a crime, he hasn't been charged with any crime. (Perjury) What was the lie?

Kushner failed to disclose contacts with Russia on his security clearance (a crime).

This is a charge, but it isn't proven and again...has zero to do with Trump "colluding" with Russians to steal the election or obstruct the investigation into it.

If this is a crime, where are the charges?

Stay tuned, more to follow.

Senator after Senator on the various committees looking into this for almost the past year have been repeatedly asked: "Is there any evidence of any "collusion" that Trump worked with Russians to influence the election"?

To a person, every one of them has answered "No, none so far"

You're right country, there is an ongoing investigation...however I seriously doubt that even once all corners and angles of this story have been exhausted and nothing turns up, you folks on the Left will be satisfied. You'll simply move onto the next allegation....

Trump paid off all of the people who knew he colluded with Russians to buy their silence and not tell the Truth of what they knew. That's what he's hiding, that's the "obstruction''!

Just like you all totally dismissed Comey's testimony last week saying he was never asked to stop his investigation or obstructed in any way...didn't matter to you or anyone else on the Left....you all just continued with your "obstruction" charges as if Comey was simply a 3-D Holographic image transmitted for T-V entertainment purposes on only.

 

[countryroads89_rivals]

OK country let's review:



If investigators already know Flynn had contacts with Russians how were those related to helping them steer the election results to Trump? In fact, most of those contacts were totally unrelated to his work on Trump's campaign. If they know all of this, what "lie" did Flynn tell related to the campaign?



Again, how did this allow them to influence votes for Trump? He was an international consultant accepting compensation for services rendered, any proof any of his payments went directly into Trump's campaign to steal the election with the help of the Russians or was used to help Russians steal votes for him?(Trump)



See answer to above pointless question.



Sessions didn't "lie" under oath. That's a crime, he hasn't been charged with any crime. (Perjury) What was the lie?



This is a charge, but it isn't proven and again...has zero to do with Trump "colluding" with Russians to steal the election or obstruct the investigation into it.

If this is a crime, where are the charges?



Senator after Senator on the various committees looking into this for almost the past year have been repeatedly asked: "Is there any evidence of any "collusion" that Trump worked with Russians to influence the election"?

To a person, every one of them has answered "No, none so far"

You're right country, there is an ongoing investigation...however I seriously doubt that even once all corners and angles of this story have been exhausted and nothing turns up, you folks on the Left will be satisfied. You'll simply simply move onto the next allegation....

Trump paid off all of the people who knew he colluded with Russians to buy their silence and not tell the Truth of what they knew. That's what he's hiding, that's the "obstruction''!

Just like you all totally dismissed Comey's testimony last week saying he was never asked to stop his investigation or obstructed in any way...didn't matter to you or anyone else on the Left....you all just continued with your "obstruction" charges as if Comey was simply a 3-D Holographic image transmitted for T-V entertainment purposes on only.

Again, I sincerely feel sorry for you. There is something seriously wrong with you.

 

[atlkvb]

Really? Can't you read? There is an investigation which will determine what happend and it is not complete? That's why you wingnuts who keep asking for evidence are so stupid.

How do you charge someone with a crime without any "evidence" RPJ?

I accuse you of murder? I don't need any evidence?

OK.

 

[RichardPeterJohnson]

How do you charge someone with a crime without any "evidence" RPJ?

I accuse you of murder? I don't need any evidence?

OK.

Do you try to appear stupid? If so, mission accomplished.

 

[atlkvb]

Again, I sincerely feel sorry for you. There is something seriously wrong with you.

Why don't you try to refute my rebuttal to your post with some facts instead of worrying about "what's wrong" with me?

I'd like to hear (read) an intelligent well thought out, factual rebuttal to my responses to your "facts" in post #24.

I went one by one and took on your post, can't you return the favor?

 

[atlkvb]

Do you try to appear stupid? If so, mission accomplished.

That not surprisingly is all you ever have to say whenever you have nothing else to say RPJ, but honestly I'm really not surprised.

It's obvious you haven't learned how to express anything beyond stupid which is your default mental starting position.

 

[bornaneer]

Mueller has to look into the charge as it is part of this whole Russian issue. With that said......he will clear Trump of this charge.

 

[countryroads89_rivals]

Why don't you try to refute my rebuttal to your post with some facts instead of worrying about "what's wrong" with me?

Because occasionally, your posts just go off the rails and defy basic logic.

You asking posters on this board to explain to you the evidence of trump colluding with Russia at this point, is like asking your mechanic to tell you what is wrong with your vehicle before he is able to hook it up to a diagnostic machine. It is obvious, there is something wrong with the vehicle (it doesn't behave or perform properly) but without going through all the diagnostics, it is hard to tell.

 

[TarHeelEer]

Because occasionally, your posts just go off the rails and defy basic logic.

You asking posters on this board to explain to you the evidence of trump colluding with Russia at this point, is like asking your mechanic to tell you what is wrong with your vehicle before he is able to hook it up to a diagnostic machine. It is obvious, there is something wrong with the vehicle (it doesn't behave or perform properly) but without going through all the diagnostics, it is hard to tell.

Well, except that your mechanic has had the car for three weeks.

 

[atlkvb]

Because occasionally, your posts just go off the rails and defy basic logic.

You asking posters on this board to explain to you the evidence of trump colluding with Russia at this point, is like asking your mechanic to tell you what is wrong with your vehicle before he is able to hook it up to a diagnostic machine. It is obvious, there is something wrong with the vehicle (it doesn't behave or perform properly) but without going through all the diagnostics, it is hard to tell.

OK, I can accept your analogy here countryroads89 because that does make sense to me. (I'm in the auto business)

But it doesn't make sense (to use your same analogy) to a take perfectly normal running car into a tech and ask him to find out what's wrong with it!

Even one step further in your analogy to this particular situation,(alleged Trump collusion) to have dozens of qualified techs looking under that hood for almost a full year and one after the other tells you "there is nothing wrong with your car" and you keep insisting it's not running correctly!

At some point you'd just accept their expertise and stop looking for trouble wouldn't you countryroads89?

 

[countryroads89_rivals]

OK, I can accept your analogy here countryroads89 because that does make sense to me. (I'm in the auto business)

But it doesn't make sense (to use your same analogy) to a take perfectly normal running car into a tech and ask him to find out what's wrong with it!

Even one step further in your analogy to this particular situation,(alleged Trump collusion) to have dozens of qualified techs looking under that hood for almost a full year and one after the other tells you "there is nothing wrong with your car" and you keep insisting it's not running correctly!

At some point you'd just accept their expertise and stop looking for trouble wouldn't you countryroads89?

We now have a mechanic on the job that everyone agrees is a superb, top-notch mechanic. He hasn't been given enough time to diagnose the problem. It takes time, especially following the money trail. He will let us know when his diagnosis is complete and he will make a recommendation. To argue nothing is wrong with the vehicle prior to the diagnosis being complete is disingenuous. The US House of Representatives probably won't choose to fix the vehicle, but at least we all will know what is wrong with it.

 

[atlkvb]

We now have a mechanic on the job that everyone agrees is a superb, top-notch mechanic. He hasn't been given enough time to diagnose the problem. It takes time, especially following the money trail. He will let us know when his diagnosis is complete and he will make a recommendation. To argue nothing is wrong with the vehicle prior to the diagnosis being complete is disingenuous. The US House of Representatives probably won't choose to fix the vehicle, but at least we all will know what is wrong with it.

Countryroads89 you stated in post #24 of this thread "here's what we know" as facts then you proceeded to list several items you claim the investigation has so far proven as "collusion" on the part of Trump with Russians.

OK, if what you posted is true, why aren't any of these "mechanics" in your analogy saying they are all symptoms of the trouble (collusion) or even a part of it?

Why can't you explain how they fit? You offered them as solid "evidence" proven so far of "collusion".

You suggested in your analogy there is "something wrong" with the car but you you're not sure what it is?

OK, fine.

Where in your analogy is the car (Trump's election) malfunctioning?

What is not right about how the election was run?

Why did you pull that car (election) onto the service drive and complain it was "not right" in the first place?

You bought a Fusion, but you really wanted a Pony?(Mustang) Now you're complaining about the Fusion when that's what you selected? (voted for)

Well then go buy a Hyundai, this isn't your type of vehicle...find something else (another candidate) that fits your desires. The Fusion is running fine.

 

[countryroads89_rivals]

Countryroads89 you stated in post #24 of this thread "here's what we know" as facts then you proceeded to list several items you claim the investigation has so far proven as "collusion" on the part of Trump with Russians.

OK, if what you posted is true, why aren't any of these "mechanics" in your analogy saying they are all symptoms of the trouble (collusion) or even a part of it?

Why can't you explain how they fit? You offered them as solid "evidence" proven so far of "collusion".

You suggested in your analogy there is "something wrong" with the car but you you're not sure what it is?

OK, fine.

Where in your analogy is the car (Trump's election) malfunctioning?

What is not right about how the election was run?

Why did you pull that car (election) onto the service drive and complain it was "not right" in the first place?

You bought a Fusion, but you really wanted a Pony?(Mustang) Now you're complaining about the Fusion when that's what you selected? (voted for)

Well then go buy a Hyundai, this isn't your type of vehicle...find something else (another candidate) that fits your desires. The Fusion is running fine.

Here is my post #24.

I know it is a very difficult concept for you to grasp, but that is exactly what they are investigating.

Some results have actually been released already. Let's summarize:
Flynn lied about contacts with Russians.
Flynn illegally accepted money from Russia.
Flynn illegally accepted money from Turkey.
Sessions lied under oath at his confirmation hearing.
Kushner failed to disclose contacts with Russia on his security clearance (a crime).

Stay tuned, more to follow.

Why do you lie?

Countryroads89 you stated in post #24 of this thread "here's what we know" as facts then you proceeded to list several items you claim the investigation has so far proven as "collusion" on the part of Trump with Russians.

My post is right above. Where in my post did I say "so far proven as collusion?"

This is a prime example of why I say "there is something wrong with you."