Is there a crazier fanbase?

[willi13]

https://247sports.com/college/florida/board/14/Contents/fsu-insider-saban-to-fsu-138125797/

 

[johnson86-1]

https://247sports.com/college/florida/board/14/Contents/fsu-insider-saban-to-fsu-138125797/

That's pretty funny. I actually could see Saban being like Larry Brown and always wanting a new challenge and a change of scenery, so I kind of get how desperate fans could talk themselves into believing it. I just don't think he'll leave Bama to coach somewhere else because they will always pay what is necessary to keep him. If they he ever had a momentary slip though and he started catching any flak from the gumps, I think his patience for that **** would be zero.

 

[The Situation]

That's pretty funny. I actually could see Saban being like Larry Brown and always wanting a new challenge and a change of scenery, so I kind of get how desperate fans could talk themselves into believing it. I just don't think he'll leave Bama to coach somewhere else because they will always pay what is necessary to keep him. If they he ever had a momentary slip though and he started catching any flak from the gumps, I think his patience for that **** would be zero.

I figure he's about too old to start over, he's got to be near 70. But maybe he's one of those types where his job keeps him alive longer.

 

[Cap'n Geech]

I just can't see him leaving Alabama for another college job. When he leaves it will be for either the NFL or the lake.

 

[patdog]

He's not leaving Alabama. People have been saying he's going to leave for 13 years now. I keep telling them they're wrong. And he's still there. I think he's got another 5 years there at least.

 

[PBRME]

I think they got it confused. It’s not Saban. It’s someone from Saban’s staff. Butch Jones has removed himself from the Rutgers job to pursue FSU.

 

[johnson86-1]

I just can't see him leaving Alabama for another college job. When he leaves it will be for either the NFL or the lake.

I think if Saban leaves for the lake he will come back to coaching. I don't think he'll ever be able to retire until he really can't coach anymore.

 

[patdog]

That would be about as stupid a hire as Taggert was. Of course, after paying a $20M buyout, they may not be in a position to pay a big buyout for their new coach, so their options may be a bit limited.

 

[dawgman42]

Consider. The. State.

 

[bruiser.sixpack]

I figure he's about too old to start over, he's got to be near 70. But maybe he's one of those types where his job keeps him alive longer.

The Bear died about a month after he retired after they played in the Liberty Bowl. Of course, Nick is in much better health than the chain smoking, whiskey drinking Bryant was.

 

[willi13]

Private donations accounted for almost all of the buyout.

 

[patdog]

Of course they did. But there's not an unlimited amount of private donations out there, even for a school like Florida St. The question is, how much is left to pay a buyout & salary for a new coach.

 

[johnson86-1]

That would be about as stupid a hire as Taggert was. Of course, after paying a $20M buyout, they may not be in a position to pay a big buyout for their new coach, so their options may be a bit limited.

I think Butch is going to be a good hire for somebody.

I don't think FSU is the right place because I think it has too much dysfunction, and we saw how Butch handled the dysfuntion at UT. But I think his track record is good enough to justify somebody making a run at him. Probably needs to be a G5 school so he can prove he can handle a program not following Chip Kelly.

 

[Go Budaw]

Of course they did. But there's not an unlimited amount of private donations out there, even for a school like Florida St. The question is, how much is left to pay a buyout & salary for a new coach.

I’ve posted this before, but the school-to-school buyout clauses don’t mean anything if the hiring school actually knows what they are doing. The hard part is over for FSU....they payed the ante to fire him.

Dan Mullen left MSU for a school inside our own conference that was literally on our 17ing schedule the very next season, and said school only paid us $500k when the actual buyout was in the multiple millions. Why? Because that is what they offered and there was nothing we could do about it. We could have held out and refused release from the contract until the full amount was paid, but that would have resulted in us being coachless for potentially months while legal proceedings played out, all the while the coach we would still have on the payroll would be out recruiting for another school. There is no leverage for the departure school at all in these types of situations. Florida did the same thing to CSU when they hired McElwain too.

Just go back and think of any time a big boy school hasn’t gone after a particular candidate, or was unsuccessful in hiring one, because of the buyout. Literally never happened.

 

[patdog]

McIlwain's buyout at CSU was $7.5M. Florida negotiated it down to $5M plus a buy game for $2M (at the time the largest buy game payout in history) for $7M total. Not exactly a bad deal for CSU. Who knows what Mullen's actual buyout was? I haven't seen a credible number anywhere. I do agree that when your coach wants to leave, you're better off in the long run not trying to force him to stay, so you may have to negotiate on the buyout.

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[johnson86-1]

McIlwain's buyout at CSU was $7.5M. Florida negotiated it down to $5M plus a buy game for $2M (at the time the largest buy game payout in history) for $7M total. Not exactly a bad deal for CSU. Who knows what Mullen's actual buyout was? I haven't seen a credible number anywhere. I do agree that when your coach wants to leave, you're better off in the long run not trying to force him to stay, so you may have to negotiate on the buyout.

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CSU's may have been atypical. One of the things McIlwain's camp was claiming was that when they agreed to the buyout, there was a wink and nod that this would show his commitment and help the program and he wouldn't jump at just any job, but that if an elite job came available they would work with him on the buyout.

So not sure if that's a typical arrangement and what was different was CSU insisting on essetnailly the full buyout, or it was atypical for him to agree to such a large buyout, and most schools agree to and enforce much smaller buyouts.

 

[Go Budaw]

McIlwain's buyout at CSU was $7.5M. Florida negotiated it down to $5M plus a buy game for $2M (at the time the largest buy game payout in history) for $7M total. Not exactly a bad deal for CSU. Who knows what Mullen's actual buyout was? I haven't seen a credible number anywhere. I do agree that when your coach wants to leave, you're better off in the long run not trying to force him to stay, so you may have to negotiate on the buyout.

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Well if you are implying that we could have enforced a buyout of, say, $5-$10 million for Mullen and didn’t, then you are basically saying Cohen and literally the entire brass at the BDC and Foundation should be rode out of town on a rail, because that would be incompetence on an absolutely catastrophic scale for an SEC athletic department IF it were true. And if you are saying we only put in a $500k buyout for Mullen in his last extension, thats essentially putting a coach for sale sign up to every school in college football. Again, incompetence on a catastrophic scale if it were true.

However, Occam’s razor and common sense tell us that neither of those is likely true. Just based on what’s public knowledge from the CSU situation, the buyouts are certainly negotiable, and depending on how much hardball a school wants to play, they can sometimes be almost ignored entirely.

 

[VegasDawg13]

Well if you are implying that we could have enforced a buyout of, say, $5-$10 million for Mullen and didn’t, then you are basically saying Cohen and literally the entire brass at the BDC and Foundation should be rode out of town on a rail, because that would be incompetence on an absolutely catastrophic scale for an SEC athletic department IF it were true. And if you are saying we only put in a $500k buyout for Mullen in his last extension, thats essentially putting a coach for sale sign up to every school in college football. Again, incompetence on a catastrophic scale if it were true.

However, Occam’s razor and common sense tell us that neither of those is likely true. Just based on what’s public knowledge from the CSU situation, the buyouts are certainly negotiable, and depending on how much hardball a school wants to play, they can sometimes be almost ignored entirely.

If the large buyout number doesn't mean anything anyway, then why does a realistic number equate to a For Sale sign? In other words, the coach is always for sale if the large buyout is just an empty threat.

 

[Go Budaw]

If the large buyout number doesn't mean anything anyway, then why does a realistic number equate to a For Sale sign? In other words, the coach is always for sale if the large buyout is just an empty threat.

Because the buyout is usually mirror reflective for what a competing school pays to hire your guy and how much it costs you to fire them without cause. Since we knew we were practically never firing Mullen (at least from 2013 on), it would make no sense to have such a low buyout for him on the heels of an extension. It’s bad for recruiting and general program perception to advertise that your guy wants out that badly.

And to be clear, I’m not saying the hiring schools pay nothing. If a school negotiates, say, a $20 million buyout with their current coach, that might scare some schools off because they still may only have to pay like $10 million or so. But only the biggest of jobs command that sort of buyout, and nobody (save for a Texas A&M or somebody that has more money than God) is hiring those guys away anyway. How far below market price you can go depends on various factors. In Mullen’s case, I think it was a combination of him having a relatively low buyout by SEC standards (maybe $5-$6 million or so), UF demanding a minimal payment, and Cohen just being ready to rip the band aid off so he could go get his guy in Moorhead. But if we really did only have a $500k buyout in place for Mullen, we have no one but ourselves to blame for his constant off-season job shopping, because we would have enabled it to happen.

 

[Xenomorph]

He’d still probably be a better coach than Taggart.

 

[patdog]

Not at all. Just don't know what the contract buyout was. Mullen had a lot of leverage on us as our most successful coach ever. He may have negotiated a low buyout in the contract, or we may have let him go for practically nothing. Either way, we would have been fools to try to block him from leaving because he had been trying to leave for several years. I would have liked to see us at least get $1M, but at the end of the day the difference is nothing.