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Dadar

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Trump, 79, is said to have leaned on Gen. Dan Caine, 57, to explain why battlefield dominance has not translated into instant control of the Strait of Hormuz, despite Caine having repeatedly briefed him on the likely closure of the waterway ahead of the war.

The New York Times reported Sunday that the president ”pressed” Caine in the Oval Office last week about why the Strait of Hormuz could not simply be reopened.
 
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Magas online are starting to get mad at Iranians for not overthrowing their government fast enough to end the war.

Kind of ironic since they tried on J6 and couldn't do it, either.
 
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fatpiggy said:
This is certainly shaping up to be much more involved than we would like.
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It's hard to even put a finger on what the cost of this Iran War will be. It will take some time before we can even reckon the full cost. My expectation is that, with a population of 92 million people and a history of exporting violence, Iran will have some sleeper cell assets within this country, and that some terrorist attacks on our civilian population are likely to occur. I hope this is not the case, but it is unrealistic not to expect it and do everything possible to prevent it. Los Angeles has a large Iranian-American population, and my guess is that several other American cities do as well. Those folks had better be prepared for some serious spying on their daily lives.
 
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Chumpsky said:
Magas online are starting to get mad at Iranians for not overthrowing their government fast enough to end the war.
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That's crazy. To think that after a few days all the regime crazies 47 levels down are going to just throw up their hands and a bunch of random unarmed people (less 30,000 really brave ones) are going to take over, is not realistic.
 
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Dadar said:
The value lost in trust by allies seems rather significant
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true, but having dealt with a lot of these folks at NATO, they understand a couple of things...if they have to defend themselves without the US, their current models of emphasizing social programs and letting the US carry the weight of defense will ultimately change their quality of life. And, they understand our political system. They know that Trump will be gone and they only have to hang on until then.

Without question, in my mind, whoever is elected in 2028, be it Republican or Democrat, there will be some fence mending required.
 
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baltimorened said:
And, they understand our political system. They know that Trump will be gone and they only have to hang on until then.
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This isn't true. They now can't trust that we won't go batpoo crazy again and, not only elect someone as incompetent and nuts as Trump, but also then let that person run hogwild over the Constitution. Or elect someone worse (hard to conceive, but, then again, no one thought we'd be dumb enough to elect Trump even once).

I mean, it was bad enough when we did it once. The troll president. We get it. Good one. Joke's on us. OK, joke's over. No one would be awful enough to elect him ag ... Oh, crap. They handed the keys over to him AGAIN?!? This time, AFTER he's been proven to be a felon ... a felon related to politics, at that. And now he's threatening us, economically ... and then potentially, violently ... and now he's just bombing people and trying to take over, causing us harm, while demanding we help?

Point being, they need to be looking at alternatives for stability long-term. They need to hedge their bets and improve relations with the rest of the world. We are no longer trustworthy. And that stench will linger long after Trump is gone.
 
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baltimorened said:
true, but having dealt with a lot of these folks at NATO, they understand a couple of things...if they have to defend themselves without the US, their current models of emphasizing social programs and letting the US carry the weight of defense will ultimately change their quality of life. And, they understand our political system. They know that Trump will be gone and they only have to hang on until then.

Without question, in my mind, whoever is elected in 2028, be it Republican or Democrat, there will be some fence mending required.
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I doubt anyone here is plugged into their current thinking. Based on recent events id say the narrative may lie in getting away from any reliance on USA power.
 
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Dadar said:
Trump, 79, is said to have leaned on Gen. Dan Caine, 57, to explain why battlefield dominance has not translated into instant control of the Strait of Hormuz, despite Caine having repeatedly briefed him on the likely closure of the waterway ahead of the war.

The New York Times reported Sunday that the president ”pressed” Caine in the Oval Office last week about why the Strait of Hormuz could not simply be reopened.
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Idk man, kind of feels like we put a drunken TV host in charge of the military and a narcissistic man baby in the White House.
 
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Trump ready to call victory in Iran

From Bloomberg

“The Hormuz Strait will have to be guarded and policed, as necessary, by other Nations who use it — The United States does not!” Trump said. “If asked, we will help these Countries in their Hormuz efforts, but it shouldn’t be necessary once Iran’s threat is eradicated. Importantly, it will be an easy Military Operation for them.”
 
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No worry, the US has surplus crude oil. Y'all fix this mess or ruin your economies.
 
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ANEW said:
That's crazy. To think that after a few days all the regime crazies 47 levels down are going to just throw up their hands and a bunch of random unarmed people (less 30,000 really brave ones) are going to take over, is not realistic.
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MAGA is basically 100% behind President Trump per CNN polling. The libs are desperate to cause a schism.
 
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One positive from this mess is the increased attention brought forth on the mess our political system is in. I am not a constitution expert, but it sure seems to need some upgrades that require cooperation.
 
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dbjork6317 said:
Idk man, kind of feels like we put a drunken TV host in charge of the military and a narcissistic man baby in the White House.
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I have to say that I have heard generally positive comments about Dan Caine from folks on both sides of the political aisle. I have to assume he is a consummate military professional, or he likely would not have gotten himself those four stars. For those who didn't serve in the military or may not otherwise be aware:

Brigadier General - 1 star
Major General - 2 stars
Lieutenant General - 3 stars
General - 4 stars (Can be 5 stars, but only during wartime, and only 9 Americans have ever had 5 stars. Omar Bradley was the last.)
 
letsgocu

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Geez man. I’m always amazed at people’s thoughts on here.

You are a clown if you think this thing wasn’t thought out. No one in their right mind thought this was going to be a 3 day event.

But man has there been good things that came out of it not being just a 3 day thing. Iran went complete apeshit and acted like a bunch of idiots.

They attacked their neighbors, instigated European countries, shut down the strait impacting everyone except the US. At the conclusion of this, what ended up just being 2 countries directly involved will end up with 30+.

heck just today DJT was proven correct on long range missle capability.

Too many people he and hawing right now…
 
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