Iowa steps in it again
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Can't get out of their own way....how they screwed this thing up in this day and age is regrettable.....
This one has a good segment of the fanbase split, Boils down to should Marbles number have been retired, Iowa’s all time leading scorer before Garza, Very good player, That said, Never all American, Never 1st team all Big 10, Some personal issues (cocaine is a helluva drug). Didn’t graduate, Not on path to degree. (One of Iowa’s criteria)
Me personally, I don’t fault the current Coach/AD for a decision that was made over 30 years ago.
I KIND of agree.....BUT these are volatile times, he HAD cleaned up his act, and his SON had been a star there....
I'm not a huge fan of revisionist history if it is self serving but THIS one seems easier to me....
I'm not a huge fan of revisionist history if it is self serving but THIS one seems easier to me....
Feels a little like Kayne ripping the mic out of TSwizzles hand and taking over what should have been somebody else's moment and ruining said persons moment.
I’m familiar with the Ioway basketball program and Greg Stokes was the 3rd highest scorer and they had retired his number..
Most Hawkeyes adore Ronnie Lester perhaps their best player till Garza career..
BJ Armstrong is another African American number was retired in 1992..
Why Roy Marble number hasn’t been retired is a legit question but to put racism for the answer isn’t right..
Most Hawkeyes adore Ronnie Lester perhaps their best player till Garza career..
BJ Armstrong is another African American number was retired in 1992..
Why Roy Marble number hasn’t been retired is a legit question but to put racism for the answer isn’t right..
Your half right the number was retired and given to Armstrong in a ceremony despite Wiescamp wearing the uniform now..
Iowa’s own basketball site said he‘s number was retired..
10 Ioway basketball players have now had their numbers retired..
Probably a worse look to retire someone’s number who had a history of drug issues and reported domestic abuse issues as well. Got suspended in the NBA for substance abuse as well
I was thinking the same thing. People today never let facts get in the way of an emotional perceived wrongdoing.
Yeah, he was so evil they let his son play for them and had him back on campus multiple times.
His issue with the law was like 2014...he was done at Iowa in 89. Garza isn't even done yet and they retired his sweater.
Why in heaven's name would you retire a guy's jersey who is still playing? That seems awfully premature. Who cares what their college career was. Let history judge them for a couple of decades then make that decision. Their AD is a moron and then IMO he compounds it by apologizing to Marble's family. Nothing IMO about Marble's career says his jersey should have been retired. But then again, Iowa's standards for excellence aren't the same as other blue bloods in their respective sports.
He was their all time leading scorer until Garza and was a 3rd team AA. Now, Iowa is secretive about their requirements for retiring a jersey, so who knows!
Again, I think you let history judge the guys for a couple of decades before you start retiring jerseys. Retiring Garza's now was just ludicrous. Marble's off the court problems don't warrant a jersey being retired IMO and it's WAY too damned soon for Garza but I guess when you're reaching for accomplishments that's what happens.
Pretty much the same reason they usually don't do a statue or name a field until AFTER it has been years and years or the person is dead.
Garza certainly worthy, probably a little early for me though. Maybe after the season would have been better. Marble pretty iffy to retire his jersey. He was a nice player but his accomplishments are far short of Garza’s.
Man it’s so tough to do right anymore. Anything you do you get beat up pretty badly. Sure wish people would let things go a little more these days. This is getting old/tiring
Man it’s so tough to do right anymore. Anything you do you get beat up pretty badly. Sure wish people would let things go a little more these days. This is getting old/tiring
Retired Jersey years
Rogers - 72
Glover - 72
Rimington -82
Steinkuhler - 83
Rozier - 83
Shields - 94
Albert - 94
Wiegert - 95
Frazier - 96
Taylor - 98
Wistrom - 98
Raiola - 02
Crouch 02
Suh -10
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Need to add:
Novak
Jacobson
Brown
Chamberlin
Swanson
Weir
Sauer
Francis
Belm
Reynolds
Meylan
since when have off the court issues been even remotely considered when awarding on-court performance?
seems like a 2021 cop out to me.
morals don't make baskets.
seems like a 2021 cop out to me.
morals don't make baskets.
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Marble's time at Iowa is one of their best stretches in recent history
20-12
30-5
24-10
23-10
he played on some of Iowa's best teams ever
BJ Armstrong and Brad Lohaus both who had decent nba careers were both on some of those teams for heaven's sake
All too soon at the time they were done. I guess that's what they do with the Husker football hall of fame. The whole idea of "retiring" a jersey number is just silly.
sorry to break your bubble, i was there during that time and those were not iowas best teams and roy marble was a good offensive player but never great. won alot of games but not alot of big games. you could absolutely count on them to figure out how to loose the big ones. armstrong was a great player. lohaus(take it in your face) and marble were good bb players but both were just as likely to miss a last second shot as to have that killer skill to put you over the top.
they underachieved relative to talent during this time -but what you wrote is bolded above - "Roy scored alot because of lack of other good players on his team"
Marble's freshman class included himself - a future 1st round draft pick - + another 1st and 2nd round draft picks as freshman - and 3 juniors - a 2nd/3rd/5th round pick
Freshman - season - 1st/1st/2nd/2nd/3rd/5th NBA picks
Sophomore Season - 1st/1st/2nd/2nd/3rd/5th round picks
Junior Season - 1st/1st/2nd/2nd
Senior season - 1st/1st/2nd
???? Marble didn't have other "good" players on his team ????
he had multiple NBA draft picks on every single team he played on - including at minimum another 1st and 2nd round NBA pick in addition to himself
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The Big 10 was really stacked in the later 80’s, Iowa was a pretty good team, The trouble was you had Indiana at National Championship level, Michigan at National Championship level, The flying Illini, Purdue was very good, MSU was very good, It really was a fun/brutal era of Big 10 basketball. I really hope the conference can get a Natty this year, It’s been a long drought.