instant replay or "challenge" calls...
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My question is this: was it clear enough to overturn?
I was at the game, saw it clearly out. It was called out. For them to overturn it they had to clearly see it as in, or the call stands. And since the Target center absolutely sucks at replays, we never saw a replay. Was it clearly in, enough for them to overturn the call?
The replay on TV was inconclusive but pretty fuzzy IMO. My question is, does the official have access to a different angle or replay than what we saw? Is their replay from a high speed camera that may give a little clearer look than what we saw?
I was wondering about this on some of these line calls. You see the replay and most of the ball is out. If there is no compression in the ball, the center point of the ball would be considered out. I have no idea how replay can determine whether a ball is in or out to the point that a call can be overturned.
watching it one would think it would be hard to overturn, but they may (probably did) have had better angles to look at replay
Good question, and I don’t know the answer. I assume they have the same angle we have but don’t know. If they do, why don’t they show it? That would end speculation.
It was out and should have never been over turned. I'm a Nebraska fan but appreciate the right call no matter who benefits. Really sad cuz that was obviously a critical call in the match!
That still makes no sense. Simple physics suggest that a ball hits the ground at a single point. Compression of that ball could cause it to hit the ground at more points. Unless there was a capacitive layer on the ball that was being electronically monitored, there is no way to overturn a call on the line. Replay in volleyball baffles me.
The female official that had been reviewing these call for our last 2 games was very good, imho.
The rule is that if any part of the ball hits the line, then it's in. It certainly was very close and It could have went either way. I wouldn't have been surprised either way, it was that close. I actually think she got that call correct. Try making that call without the benefit of video replay!
Fact is, we had a lot of freshmen playing and it showed at times.
On the other hand, we're set up to be very good for many years to come!
GBR
I agree but since the initial call was out, the fact that it was very close doesn’t matter. It has to be conclusive, not very close. Or am I missing something?
Exactly and that is the problem. We are told time and time again in any replay review that the initial ruling matters-essentially it's deemed to be correct unless there is irrefutable evidence to overturn the call. There is no way there was irrefutable evidence that ball touched the very edge of the line. It may have done so. But that is not enough. They need to be absolutely sure, especially in a critical situation such as that. Essentially, it seemed to me that the initial ruling was not taken into account. If they are going to make their own judgments on a call regardless of what the initial call was, then they need to make that clear and stop the charade of telling us that the initial call matters.
I thought it was extremely close and the blurry slow mo on TV was not clear enough to overturn the call. If they only had the same replay we saw then they were going off of the fact that when the ball hits the ground at that speed it flattens slightly and that would have made it hit the line. Im not upset at the call as I wouldn't want to make it. I do however think Cook was pissed by it since he challenged the final kill after the celebration had started. They barely looked at that.
My wife and I argued about this call. So close and hard to tell. You would really think they could get better cameras for the speed of the volleyball.
My wife 100% believes the ball touched the line from watching the replays during the game.
I thought one angle showed a little maroon between the ball and white line. Somewhat hard to tell since the white part of the ball would be what hit the white line.
We both thought Stanford would win 3-0 and were damn impressed with this Husker team's finish down the stretch of the season. Minus the 3rd set, this was a fun match to watch last night. GBR
My wife 100% believes the ball touched the line from watching the replays during the game.
I thought one angle showed a little maroon between the ball and white line. Somewhat hard to tell since the white part of the ball would be what hit the white line.
We both thought Stanford would win 3-0 and were damn impressed with this Husker team's finish down the stretch of the season. Minus the 3rd set, this was a fun match to watch last night. GBR
You would think there is enough technology out there that they could have sensors in the balls and on the football field, baseball diamond,volleyball court that it would show exactly where the ball is at any certain time, such as a touchdown or first down. Or weather the ball is out or in on a volleyball court. Instant replay is way to gray area it's how the officials interpret it. Just look a the football game this past fall, two teams from the east coast I believe we're playing one team has a field goal attempt, the official says no good and even though the replay showed us fans it was good, the replay official sided with the on field officials
Professional tennis and international volleyball use the Hawkeye system to tell if a ball is in or out. I imagine it is pretty cost prohibitive to use everywhere, but don’t see why the NCAA couldn’t use it in the final four.
The official has different cameras/angles than tv. These are high speed cameras that give a much clearer picture that the blurry mess we get from tv.
You can take this or leave it, but one of my family members who knows that official personally talked to her after the semi and she said she had an angle of the touch that was very clear, but was not shown on tv. I assume there was a similar situation last night.
However, I thought it was probably in just from the tv angles. Remember that it’s any part of the ball (including the compression when it hits the floor) touching any part of the line. There was one shot on tv that showed the blurry after image of the ball overlapping the line as it came up from the bounce. Unfortunate.
You can take this or leave it, but one of my family members who knows that official personally talked to her after the semi and she said she had an angle of the touch that was very clear, but was not shown on tv. I assume there was a similar situation last night.
However, I thought it was probably in just from the tv angles. Remember that it’s any part of the ball (including the compression when it hits the floor) touching any part of the line. There was one shot on tv that showed the blurry after image of the ball overlapping the line as it came up from the bounce. Unfortunate.
They always say they do but who knows. Plus they were supposed to have the super slow frames for better clarity in the final 4. IF not conclusive, call stands
I hear this all the time. Where are these super secret replay cameras at? If they have access to a definitive photo of that ball hitting the line then they need to release it.
Ok what is worse this call or William Floyds fumble, no fumble in the 94 orange bowl? The problem is two great teams played one hell of a game and sadly it comes down to officials rulings
Actually it’s Penn St TE catching the ball three yards out of bounds in my book..
Sorry, Kaz, I jumped down to the end after #10. My bad.
For what purpose? Officials are accountable to their assignors and evaluators, not to disappointed fans with conspiracy theories.
If it had been incorrectly ruled out, wouldn’t that be just as much “coming down to officials’ rulings?”
I love Husker volleyball and i’m super bummed they lost, but you guys are being silly. There’s no conspiracy, and the referees aren’t just making decisions off-the-cuff based on a hunch. For cripes sake, the same ref just made a similar decision in the Huskers’ favor two days earlier.
Not a vb fan but I caught that replay on ESPN and thought the ladies got a Mac brown. In tennis the replay shows exactly where the ball hit. What I saw on ESPN the ball was in the way so you could not tell. I thought it was out from the ESPN replay, but defiantly not conclusive enough to overturn.