If this gets me a ban then so be it.

[Drebin]

The stinky says covid and vaccine threads. Does yours say something different?

Don't be obtuse. You know the difference between a **** thread over whether or not to get the vaccine and a guy writing his experience of catching covid as a PSA. Try not to suck so much.

 

[FQDawg]

Honest questions:

• Is it possible to create a vaccine which is more effective for the delta variant?

Talked to a doctor friend about this just this weekend. My general takeaway (which you should feel free to take with a grain of salt because I'm not remotely an expert nor did I stay in a Holiday Inn express last night) was this...

Yes, we can and are working on a vaccine that is more effective against delta (my understanding is that this is where the booster shots can help). But part of the issue is that, right now, the virus continues to spread. And the more it spreads, the more likely it is to mutate/change from delta into another strain. Which means that a vaccine that is designed to more specifically target delta might not do as well against that new strain. So, the best way to combat this is for people to get vaccinated now with the vaccines that are available, which will help lessen/slow the spread and reduce the chance of another strain popping up.

The TLD;DR is getting vaccinated is what's going to help this whole thing end.

 

[NOATLDAWG]

sidetrack.. but how in the world did you get the 2nd dose in February??? I was on the front of the list with health conditions under 50 in Georgia and my shots were mid march and first of April... I would think that this aligns with the thinking that the booster is needed by end of year for most of us that the efficacy has worn down (and yes, I will be first in line to get that as well)

 

[fishwater99]

Covid (and its variants) is here to stay. We will have to learn to live with it. This "ends" when there is an approved vaccination for all age groups and we have a therapeutic available akin to Tamiful that keeps folks out of the hospital. One day, we'll have that and most folks will get their shots just like the flu and if they get bad sick, then there will be a proven anti-viral there as a backstop.

Until then, the goal is to keep an eye on hospitalizations. If we have too much and stress the system, it's time to change behavior. If not, just keep calm, vaccinate, and carry on.

Well said. In the meantime life is gonna suck with COVID-19. Damn the new normal.

 

[dorndawg]

Medical professionals and first responders started getting vaccines in December 2020

 

[Snave]

Pretty much why the flu shot makers have to guess at the dominant strain every year.

This delta variant makes me think we will be stuck in this cycle like the flu and common cold. Coronaviruses are too easy to pass, and variants can occur the *more* they are passed, so the shot makers will always be behind the curve. Hopefully the need to put the sick in ICU beds will also go down with mutation.

 

[DesotoCountyDawg]

That’s a really great explanation.

Also there’s only so many bags of tricks that the virus can do and at some point it run out of tricks and just will be like any other cold or flu like virus.

 

[DesotoCountyDawg]

I got my second in late February. I checked all the boxes for Mississippi.

 

[Hugh's Burner Phone]

sidetrack.. but how in the world did you get the 2nd dose in February??? I was on the front of the list with health conditions under 50 in Georgia and my shots were mid march and first of April... I would think that this aligns with the thinking that the booster is needed by end of year for most of us that the efficacy has worn down (and yes, I will be first in line to get that as well)

Got my first shot on 1-27 and second on 2/21. I signed up as soon as I could after they opened it up to those with pre existing conditions in MS regardless of age.

 

[fishwater99]

Pretty much why the flu shot makers have to guess at the dominant strain every year.

This delta variant makes me think we will be stuck in this cycle like the flu and common cold. Coronaviruses are too easy to pass, and variants can occur the *more* they are passed, so the shot makers will always be behind the curve. Hopefully the need to put the sick in ICU beds will also go down with mutation.

Usually when a virus mutates it becomes weaker, this is not the case with COVID-19 which backs up that it was engineered in a lab. Time will tell.

 

[Mobile Bay]

Usually when a virus mutates it becomes weaker, this is not the case with COVID-19 which backs up that it was engineered in a lab. Time will tell.

Mutation is entirely random. Selection tends toward lowered lethality. But only over time.

 

[Maroon Eagle]

Tater & MSDH arranged for the 30 BMI folks to be included in the second priority group to folks aged 75 and over in Mississippi.

I got my second Pfizer shot in early February.

 

[dawgstudent]

My next door neighbor is a nurse practitioner and she called on a Friday in February asking if I can make it to her clinic by 5 PM. They had vaccines going to waste.

 

[NOATLDAWG]

10/4. I'm still in disbelief that MS was actually that far ahead of GA at the time!!

 

[00Dawg]

I'm not sure where the 5% is coming from.

Real-world numbers say that fully vaccinated make up 10% of hospitalized cases (leaving out immunocompromised).
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7034e2.htm?s_cid=mm7034e2_w

Other numbers from the CDC indicate 80% protection against asymptomatic infection for Pfizer and Moderna.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/science/science-briefs/fully-vaccinated-people.html#ref40

I've seen a lot of articles still referring to breakthrough cases as "rare". I don't think any of these numbers back that up.

 

[PineGroveBully]

If y’all haven’t watched it yet you all should sit down and watch the HBO documentary “In the Same Breath.” It’s by a Chinese-American documentary maker about China and them trying to hide their role from the world. I knew they were suppressing their numbers but just one anonymous funeral home said they cremated 20,000-30,000 bodies last year from it. Not trying to take the discussion away from the OP, just a PSA that you should watch.

 

[CookieMonster.sixpack]

Honest question: Can we still call it a vaccine if it in fact does not prevent the spread of COVID but instead simply lessens the symptoms if you contract COVID?

 

[mstateglfr]

Real-world numbers say that fully vaccinated make up 10% of hospitalized cases (leaving out immunocompromised).
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7034e2.htm?s_cid=mm7034e2_w

Other numbers from the CDC indicate 80% protection against asymptomatic infection for Pfizer and Moderna.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/science/science-briefs/fully-vaccinated-people.html#ref40

I've seen a lot of articles still referring to breakthrough cases as "rare". I don't think any of these numbers back that up.

https://www.kff.org/policy-watch/covid-19-vaccine-breakthrough-cases-data-from-the-states/
This is from the end of July.
No state is above about 1%, based on the graph.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/08/10/bre...hy-fully-vaccinated-people-can-get-covid.html
This is from 2 weeks ago and puts breakthrough cases at .08%...so less than 1 tenth of 1%. In plain numbers, its 1 in every 1300.


Those stats may be wrong, I have no idea. But based on those stats, me using 5% is quite generously high. Reality may be that 5% is low...I dont know.

 

[Jeffreauxdawg]

From Merriam-Webster:

Definition of vaccine
1: a preparation that is administered (as by injection) to stimulate the body's immune response against a specific infectious agent or disease.


Sounds like it's a vaccine. The same way SPF 30 is sunblock.

 

[mstateglfr]

Honest question: Can we still call it a vaccine if it in fact does not prevent the spread of COVID but instead simply lessens the symptoms if you contract COVID?

It is a vaccine and it does help prevent the spread.

 

[PineGroveBully]

Why go there?

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It reeks of the class clown saying things he thought were cute to get a rise out of the substitute teacher. No vaccine is 100% effective. Isn't and never will be.

 

[Wizard.sixpack]

Yes and if not for the vaccines the whole thing would be extinct. The virus mutated to get around the vaccine.

 

[mstateglfr]

Yes and if not for the vaccines the whole thing would be extinct. The virus mutated to get around the vaccine.

Reality shows multiple variants were identified in the same month when the vaccine being released to the first few people. Translation- your theory isnt great.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/201...riefs/scientific-brief-emerging-variants.html

 

[PineGroveBully]

I was just going by Mississippi’s reported 245,000 total confirmed cases plus the reported 167,000 probable cases, 413,000 combined.

https://msdh.ms.gov/msdhsite/_static/14,0,420.html

 

[Nicephorus]

I’ll say this as someone who sees the bad case Covid inflows at a hospital.

Last spike, a lot of elderly and nursing home patients. This was the majority of the patients.

This time, seeing much less of above and mostly people in their 40s and 50s and 60s. Lot more people in 30s and occasional 20s also. Virtually all the younger people are unvaccinated. Still see an occasionally vaccinated elderly patient although these are the minority this time around. The really sick people this time are also not as over weight as before. Seeing some relatively normal size healthy people getting put on the ventilator. Assume a lot of the morbidly obese people got vaccinated. While high % of these people will “beat” Covid and live, that comes at a cost of likely reduced lung function and exercise capacity the rest of their lives from all the lung scarring.