Idea to help combat school shootings

[rog1187]

push the security check point out. Fence in the school and create an entrance that is manned by security. In all of these shooings the shooter got into the schools only checkpoint - the main door - rather easily. Push that checkpoint out further from the school and still require another locked entrance at the school building itself.

 

[MichiganHerd]

Why not place a lazy river around each school, filling it with crocs and anacondas. Close the draw bridge once everyone is inside. For an extra layer of security, add a small safari within the grounds and include a few lions, as well as a starving pack of laughing hyenas.

 

[Boomboom521]

There was a fence, automatic lockdown doors, and an armed guard posted at the school. The gates were open to allow for buses and cars to easily come and go for pickup (procedures requiring individual checks at guard gate during pickup would cause major delays in buses and parent pickup, I doubt it will go over well in large schools in metro areas). The automatic lockdown doors were overridden by the shooter pulling a fire alarm. The system was already scheduled to be upgraded to prevent this, the cost was $900,000 (I doubt states and counties have these kind of funds readily available to upgrade all schools). The armed guard was not at the school at the time of the shooting - I’m still not sure why this was the case.

 

[rog1187]

There was a fence, automatic lockdown doors, and an armed guard posted at the school. The gates were open to allow for buses and cars to easily come and go for pickup (procedures requiring individual checks at guard gate during pickup would cause major delays in buses and parent pickup, I doubt it will go over well in large schools in metro areas). The automatic lockdown doors were overridden by the shooter pulling a fire alarm. The system was already scheduled to be upgraded to prevent this, the cost was $900,000 (I doubt states and counties have these kind of funds readily available to upgrade all schools). The armed guard was not at the school at the time of the shooting - I’m still not sure why this was the case.

I was wondering how he got in. Haven’t really read up on the timeline.

Did he drive through the gate with the buses unchecked or did he walk through. Seems like it was a big facility...more than one guy could police.

 

[Mntneer]

There was a fence, automatic lockdown doors, and an armed guard posted at the school. The gates were open to allow for buses and cars to easily come and go for pickup (procedures requiring individual checks at guard gate during pickup would cause major delays in buses and parent pickup, I doubt it will go over well in large schools in metro areas). The automatic lockdown doors were overridden by the shooter pulling a fire alarm. The system was already scheduled to be upgraded to prevent this, the cost was $900,000 (I doubt states and counties have these kind of funds readily available to upgrade all schools). The armed guard was not at the school at the time of the shooting - I’m still not sure why this was the case.

1) Radically change the way we design new schools, and renovate existing schools.
2) Only have a single point of entry and exit, vestibule entries with automatically locked doors.
3) Security camera coverage of the entire school and exterior grounds, with a full time staff member solely monitoring the cameras.
4) Verification that all classrooms and hallways are properly sprinkled and that the system is fully operational.
5) Every classroom door is replaced with a bullet resistant panel and on mag locks that remain shut and locked at all times.
6) Fire alarms do not automatically override any other security system in place. When's the last time we've had a massive fire break out in a sprinkled school that killed dozens of kids. Sorry Fire Marshall's.
7) 1 armed individual for every 100 students. Plain clothes dressed, and at each school exit point during periods of the day when students would be leaving the school.
8) A national training program, 2 weeks long, administered by the Marshall's program. The program would effectively train individuals, that have shown to be capable with firearms and have passed extensive background checks and mental checks, to become deputized Marshall's that are allowed to carry within ANY state or federal building, or ANY school. They would be limited in that they would have zero arresting powers or law enforcement powers, but would be allowed to carry with the understanding that they are only allowed to use their weapon in the defense of others. The program would be free to the individual, but would becoming deputized would not be a paid position.

We need to make schools the hardest target in the country.

 

[Boomboom521]

I was wondering how he got in. Haven’t really read up on the timeline.

Did he drive through the gate with the buses unchecked or did he walk through. Seems like it was a big facility...more than one guy could police.

I agree. And I think the process of getting in and out should be tougher for sure. I think he was in a car, I’m only speculating though because he was able to get away quickly.

 

[Boomboom521]

1) Radically change the way we design new schools, and renovate existing schools.
2) Only have a single point of entry and exit, vestibule entries with automatically locked doors.
3) Security camera coverage of the entire school and exterior grounds, with a full time staff member solely monitoring the cameras.
4) Verification that all classrooms and hallways are properly sprinkled and that the system is fully operational.
5) Every classroom door is replaced with a bullet resistant panel and on mag locks that remain shut and locked at all times.
6) Fire alarms do not automatically override any other security system in place. When's the last time we've had a massive fire break out in a sprinkled school that killed dozens of kids. Sorry Fire Marshall's.
7) 1 armed individual for every 100 students. Plain clothes dressed, and at each school exit point during periods of the day when students would be leaving the school.
8) A national training program, 2 weeks long, administered by the Marshall's program. The program would effectively train individuals, that have shown to be capable with firearms and have passed extensive background checks and mental checks, to become deputized Marshall's that are allowed to carry within ANY state or federal building, or ANY school. They would be limited in that they would have zero arresting powers or law enforcement powers, but would be allowed to carry with the understanding that they are only allowed to use their weapon in the defense of others. The program would be free to the individual, but would becoming deputized would not be a paid position.

We need to make schools the hardest target in the country.

Love it! Would you guys be willing to spend the amount of money it would take to do this?

 

[dave]

There was a fence, automatic lockdown doors, and an armed guard posted at the school. The gates were open to allow for buses and cars to easily come and go for pickup (procedures requiring individual checks at guard gate during pickup would cause major delays in buses and parent pickup, I doubt it will go over well in large schools in metro areas). The automatic lockdown doors were overridden by the shooter pulling a fire alarm. The system was already scheduled to be upgraded to prevent this, the cost was $900,000 (I doubt states and counties have these kind of funds readily available to upgrade all schools). The armed guard was not at the school at the time of the shooting - I’m still not sure why this was the case.

How did the shooter pull a fire alarm from outside the lockdown doors?

 

[MichiganHerd]

Love it! Would you guys be willing to spend the amount of money it would take to do this?

You know people won't want to spend the money. Hell, there's a $65,000,000 levy being voted on up here at Gull Lake Schools, and there's signs all over people's property wanting it voted down. Hell, even the piss poor schools in Fayette County, WV couldn't get the county citizens to pass a bond.

 

[Mntneer]

Love it! Would you guys be willing to spend the amount of money it would take to do this?

$25 tax on the sale of every firearm from here forward.

 

[Boomboom521]

How did the shooter pull a fire alarm from outside the lockdown doors?

The main office doors are open at dismissal time, I imagine it was an alarm located in the main office or outside the building (if they exist).

 

[Boomboom521]

$25 tax on the sale of every firearm from here forward.

Good idea. It’s the time to get something like that through too.

 

[Mntneer]

Also, we need to create a division within the FBI that is solely tasked with investigating and following up on ANY threat made to any school. Much like how the Secrete Service responds to threats against the President, we need a division that follows up on any threat. Already, since the Florida shooting, there have been 2 arrests made in the Eastern Panhandle by kids threatening schools.

Also, update and make it a requirement, that states report any mental health issues (that have gone through a due process) to the NICS for background checks.

Finally, go after the existing laws, such as straw purchasers and start prosecuting these individuals.


Now nothing I've listed should be controversial, would not interfere with our constitutional rights but WOULD be effective almost immediately.

Or, we could protest at the WH about gun control and spend a year arguing over what laws to pass and not pass and then hope those laws work.

 

[Airport]

I agree. And I think the process of getting in and out should be tougher for sure. I think he was in a car, I’m only speculating though because he was able to get away quickly.

I thought he just walked out with everybody else. Doesn't take long to walk a mile

 

[Boomboom521]

I thought he just walked out with everybody else. Doesn't take long to walk a mile

I didn’t know how far he was away when found

 

[rog1187]

I thought he just walked out with everybody else. Doesn't take long to walk a mile

He did then I think he got in his car.

 

[dave]

The main office doors are open at dismissal time, I imagine it was an alarm located in the main office or outside the building (if they exist).

Why would he be inside the school at any time?

 

[Boomboom521]

Why would he be inside the school at any time?

You mean outside? I don’t know, maybe in a courtyard or some ****. Geez

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

$25 tax on the sale of every firearm from here forward.

I agree, I was going to say $50 on every “new” purchase.

 

[Mntneer]

I agree, I was going to say $50 on every “new” purchase.

5%?

 

[Original Mountaineer1]

I thought he just walked out with everybody else. Doesn't take long to walk a mile

At your age it does

 

[mule_eer]

1) Radically change the way we design new schools, and renovate existing schools.
2) Only have a single point of entry and exit, vestibule entries with automatically locked doors.
3) Security camera coverage of the entire school and exterior grounds, with a full time staff member solely monitoring the cameras.
4) Verification that all classrooms and hallways are properly sprinkled and that the system is fully operational.
5) Every classroom door is replaced with a bullet resistant panel and on mag locks that remain shut and locked at all times.
6) Fire alarms do not automatically override any other security system in place. When's the last time we've had a massive fire break out in a sprinkled school that killed dozens of kids. Sorry Fire Marshall's.
7) 1 armed individual for every 100 students. Plain clothes dressed, and at each school exit point during periods of the day when students would be leaving the school.
8) A national training program, 2 weeks long, administered by the Marshall's program. The program would effectively train individuals, that have shown to be capable with firearms and have passed extensive background checks and mental checks, to become deputized Marshall's that are allowed to carry within ANY state or federal building, or ANY school. They would be limited in that they would have zero arresting powers or law enforcement powers, but would be allowed to carry with the understanding that they are only allowed to use their weapon in the defense of others. The program would be free to the individual, but would becoming deputized would not be a paid position.

We need to make schools the hardest target in the country.

The cost of those systems would be insane. I think back to my old high school that was built in modules with nearly no doors and partition walls - it was a 70's thing. That's still the high school in Upshur County. Your proposal would be a full gut job, probably would also require an addition.

I will say that the rules to access that school has changed over the years. It was more or less open all the time when I was a student in the 80's. I went back a couple of times to speak to some classes, and you have to go through a process to get in there now.

 

[rog1187]

The cost of those systems would be insane. I think back to my old high school that was built in modules with nearly no doors and partition walls - it was a 70's thing. That's still the high school in Upshur County. Your proposal would be a full gut job, probably would also require an addition.

I will say that the rules to access that school has changed over the years. It was more or less open all the time when I was a student in the 80's. I went back a couple of times to speak to some classes, and you have to go through a process to get in there now.

But if it saves one life....

 

[Mntneer]

The cost of those systems would be insane. I think back to my old high school that was built in modules with nearly no doors and partition walls - it was a 70's thing. That's still the high school in Upshur County. Your proposal would be a full gut job, probably would also require an addition.

I will say that the rules to access that school has changed over the years. It was more or less open all the time when I was a student in the 80's. I went back a couple of times to speak to some classes, and you have to go through a process to get in there now.

What I proposed wouldn't be cheap, but it would be effective. More effective than trying to strip constitutional rights and hope criminals abide by them.

 

[Mntneer]

But if it saves one life....

Exactly. The "if it saves one life" line. There's LOTS we could do to save way more than one life, but we choose not to out of convenience and desire.

 

[Boomboom521]

What I proposed wouldn't be cheap, but it would be effective. More effective than trying to strip constitutional rights and hope criminals abide by them.

If the money was appropriated, there wouldn’t be a school shooting in 10....but at that point, the desire to privatize education because of the cost would intensify

 

[Mntneer]

If the money was appropriated, there wouldn’t be a school shooting in 10....but at that point, the desire to privatize education because of the cost would intensify

It would be a federal requirement, regardless of private or public.

And as much as I am a stark defender of the Bill of Rights, I'd support a tax on the sale of every firearm to help raise funds for the program.

Many schools already meet many of the standards I list, but many would have to spend to bring facilities up to "code". Currently my son spends most of his day in middle school out in "pods" (basically trailers) that sit behind an unlocked chain link fence (thanks Fire Marshal) and have doors on the "pods" that are often left unlocked. That's a problem that we SHOULD be addressing.

 

[Boomboom521]

It would be a federal requirement, regardless of private or public.

And as much as I am a stark defender of the Bill of Rights, I'd support a tax on the sale of every firearm to help raise funds for the program.

Many schools already meet many of the standards I list, but many would have to spend to bring facilities up to "code". Currently my son spends most of his day in middle school out in "pods" (basically trailers) that sit behind an unlocked chain link fence (thanks Fire Marshal) and have doors on the "pods" that are often left unlocked. That's a problem that we SHOULD be addressing.

I agree

 

[roadtrasheer]

$25 tax on the sale of every firearm from here forward.

I could go for this bigly...problem being government getting it & spending it on things it wasn't intended ......then raising the tax to help cover things other than security

 

[Shirley Knott]

There was a fence, automatic lockdown doors, and an armed guard posted at the school. The gates were open to allow for buses and cars to easily come and go for pickup (procedures requiring individual checks at guard gate during pickup would cause major delays in buses and parent pickup, I doubt it will go over well in large schools in metro areas). The automatic lockdown doors were overridden by the shooter pulling a fire alarm. The system was already scheduled to be upgraded to prevent this, the cost was $900,000 (I doubt states and counties have these kind of funds readily available to upgrade all schools). The armed guard was not at the school at the time of the shooting - I’m still not sure why this was the case.

What would the armed guard who was not present, have been armed with had he been present. would he have allowed Cruz to enter the school with a weapon?

 

[Boomboom521]

What would the armed guard who was not present, have been armed with had he been present. would he have allowed Cruz to enter the school with a weapon?

I don’t know