How is the WR competition going?

[Chags]

Ok experts,

Isn't WR and LB the top 2 position concerns for us going into the Fall? Are our prospects at WR as gloomy as we felt ending last season? Will the new O mask some of our deficiencies and make the WR position more of a commodity? What skills in the new system are prioritized? route running, speed, hands, blocking, etc?

 

[Dpgru]

Great question. For some reason it is a position about which there has been very little reported. Clearly this group, which is obviously without Carroo, has to be better at affecting separation and getting open much better than it did last year. We will learn a little after Saturday's scrimmage if any of them are "knighted". Although I have a feeling none will.

 

[MV9000]

Vance Matthews was knighted.... i think Carlton Agudosi will be up next. Expecting him to have a solid year.

 

[AreYouNUTS]

HUGE position of "concern" IMHO so would love to hear some more news.

 

[Dpgru]

Vance Matthews was knighted.... i think Carlton Agudosi will be up next. Expecting him to have a solid year.

Thank you, I forgot about that. So little has been reported about him relative to all the other positions it slipped my mind. Between him and Agudosi I hope we can put together a combination the creates some problems for the coverage and opens up the running game.

 

[imbazza2]

13 agudosi carlton Agudosi, Carlton WR 7 SR 5th-SR << needs to run cleaner routes and be consistent in catching (Consistency improved at the end of last year* sat scrimmage says he had multi TD catches YES he may move up to solid and reliable)
83 blunt rashad Blunt, Rashad WR 3 SO R-FR << a potential J. Grant players can grow in the spread**
44 gause joseph Gause, Joseph WR 3 SO R-FR << they say he has some quicks TBD
1 grant janarion Grant, Janarion WR 7 SR << will thrive in the spread****
3 harris jawuan Harris, Jawuan WR 3 SO R-FR << a potential J. Grant/T. Brown players can grow in the spread***
87 matthews vance Matthews, Vance WR 7 SR << he is not elite but he is solid and reliable***
89 owens dontae Owens, Dontae WR 3 SO <<< potential have not seen him in action
16 parker christopher Parker, Christopher WR 3 SO R-FR<<all say he has talent no Carroo but gets open TBD**
88 patton andre Patton, Andre WR 7 SR << Hope he continues to improver solid player***
82 perry ntwademela Perry, Ntwademela WR 5 JR << he needs to catch on by now
41 provillion nixon Provillion, Nixon WR 5 JR << Help? got nothing
80 schoen alex Schoen, Alex WR 7 SR << Help? got nothing
85 stewart justice Stewart, Justice WR 3 SO R-FR << Help? got nothing
84 tsimis john Tsimis, John WR 7 SR<< Like Matthews solid foundation player***
so we got solid players in #1 87, 88, & 84.
13 can be a star but must learn to use his body to his advantage,
Promising 83, 3, & 16.
Potential Surprises 16, 44, & 89
So we are fine as we have a good solid group of 6 with a potential break out by 6 more even if 50% come thru we will do fine.
With the power spread expect short passes to 1,3,83 and some open field moves= some exciting O play this fall

 

[El Curioso Impertinente]

Carroo was a one man wrecking ball. Commanded Double Teams, beat people short, beat people deep, etc. And yet even with Carroo, the other WR's weren't productive.

It's hard to imagine that they'll be more productive with Carroo gone, a new offensive coordinator, a new system, and a undersized offensive line with zero depth.

This team might have to take a step back before they move forward. Can they get there? Sure, why not. But there's a serious talent gap.

Coach Ash has his work cut out for him.

 

[Dpgru]

13 agudosi carlton Agudosi, Carlton WR 7 SR 5th-SR << needs to run cleaner routes and be consistent in catching
83 blunt rashad Blunt, Rashad WR 3 SO R-FR << a potential J. Grant players can grow in the spread**
44 gause joseph Gause, Joseph WR 3 SO R-FR << they say he has some quicks TBD
1 grant janarion Grant, Janarion WR 7 SR << will thrive in the spread****
3 harris jawuan Harris, Jawuan


WR 3 SO R-FR << a potential J. Grant/T. Brown players can grow in the spread***
87 matthews vance Matthews, Vance WR 7 SR << he is not elite but he is solid and reliable***
89 owens dontae Owens, Dontae WR 3 SO <<< potential have not seen him in action
16 parker christopher Parker,
Christopher WR 3 SO R-FR<<all say he has talent no Carroo but gets open TBD**
88 patton andre Patton, Andre WR 7 SR << Hope he continues to improver solid player***
82 perry ntwademela Perry, Ntwademela WR 5 JR << he needs to catch on by now
41 provillion nixon Provillion,
Nixon WR 5 JR << Help? got nothing
80 schoen alex Schoen, Alex WR 7 SR << Help? got nothing
85 stewart justice Stewart, Justice WR 3 SO R-FR << Help? got nothing




84 tsimis john Tsimis, John WR 7 SR<< Like Matthews solid foundation player***
so we got solid players in #1 87, 88, & 84.
13 can be a star but must learn to use his body to his advantage,
Promising 83, 3, & 16.














Potential Surprises 16, 44, & 89
So we are fine as we have a good solid group of 6 with a potential break out by 6 more even if 50% come thru we will do fine.
With the power spread expect short passes to 1,3,83 and some open field moves= some exciting O play this fall

Thank you, I learned more from that one post than from any other item I have read all year.

 

[El Curioso Impertinente]

13 agudosi carlton Agudosi, Carlton WR 7 SR 5th-SR << needs to run cleaner routes and be consistent in catching
83 blunt rashad Blunt, Rashad WR 3 SO R-FR << a potential J. Grant players can grow in the spread**
44 gause joseph Gause, Joseph WR 3 SO R-FR << they say he has some quicks TBD
1 grant janarion Grant, Janarion WR 7 SR << will thrive in the spread****
3 harris jawuan Harris, Jawuan WR 3 SO R-FR << a potential J. Grant/T. Brown players can grow in the spread***
87 matthews vance Matthews, Vance WR 7 SR << he is not elite but he is solid and reliable***
89 owens dontae Owens, Dontae WR 3 SO <<< potential have not seen him in action
16 parker christopher Parker, Christopher WR 3 SO R-FR<<all say he has talent no Carroo but gets open TBD**
88 patton andre Patton, Andre WR 7 SR << Hope he continues to improver solid player***
82 perry ntwademela Perry, Ntwademela WR 5 JR << he needs to catch on by now
41 provillion nixon Provillion, Nixon WR 5 JR << Help? got nothing
80 schoen alex Schoen, Alex WR 7 SR << Help? got nothing
85 stewart justice Stewart, Justice WR 3 SO R-FR << Help? got nothing
84 tsimis john Tsimis, John WR 7 SR<< Like Matthews solid foundation player***
so we got solid players in #1 87, 88, & 84.
13 can be a star but must learn to use his body to his advantage,
Promising 83, 3, & 16.
Potential Surprises 16, 44, & 89
So we are fine as we have a good solid group of 6 with a potential break out by 6 more even if 50% come thru we will do fine.
With the power spread expect short passes to 1,3,83 and some open field moves= some exciting O play this fall

Tsimsis has great hands, but can't shed blockers nor get deep.
Patton has all the tools, yet wasn't productive next to Carroo. He's the #1 Guy now. Can he do it?
Agudosi reminds everyone of Coleman, but hasn't been nearly as productive. Maybe he should have been moved to TE years ago.
Grant, might be too valuable in the return game to risk as a starter.

if I had to make the call, I would start Patton and Tsimsis, with Grant as my third.

 

[RUforJERSEY]

Carroo was a one man wrecking ball. Commanded Double Teams, beat people short, beat people deep, etc. And yet even with Carroo, the other WR's weren't productive.

It's hard to imagine that they'll be more productive with Carroo gone, a new offensive coordinator, a new system, and a undersized offensive line with zero depth.

This team might have to take a step back before they move forward. Can they get there? Sure, why not. But there's a serious talent gap.

Coach Ash has his work cut out for him.

That undersized offensive line with 3 starters well over 300 lbs and the other 2 in the 290"s.

 

[AreYouNUTS]

13 agudosi carlton Agudosi, Carlton WR 7 SR 5th-SR << needs to run cleaner routes and be consistent in catching
83 blunt rashad Blunt, Rashad WR 3 SO R-FR << a potential J. Grant players can grow in the spread**
44 gause joseph Gause, Joseph WR 3 SO R-FR << they say he has some quicks TBD
1 grant janarion Grant, Janarion WR 7 SR << will thrive in the spread****
3 harris jawuan Harris, Jawuan WR 3 SO R-FR << a potential J. Grant/T. Brown players can grow in the spread***
87 matthews vance Matthews, Vance WR 7 SR << he is not elite but he is solid and reliable***
89 owens dontae Owens, Dontae WR 3 SO <<< potential have not seen him in action
16 parker christopher Parker, Christopher WR 3 SO R-FR<<all say he has talent no Carroo but gets open TBD**
88 patton andre Patton, Andre WR 7 SR << Hope he continues to improver solid player***
82 perry ntwademela Perry, Ntwademela WR 5 JR << he needs to catch on by now
41 provillion nixon Provillion, Nixon WR 5 JR << Help? got nothing
80 schoen alex Schoen, Alex WR 7 SR << Help? got nothing
85 stewart justice Stewart, Justice WR 3 SO R-FR << Help? got nothing
84 tsimis john Tsimis, John WR 7 SR<< Like Matthews solid foundation player***
so we got solid players in #1 87, 88, & 84.
13 can be a star but must learn to use his body to his advantage,
Promising 83, 3, & 16.
Potential Surprises 16, 44, & 89
So we are fine as we have a good solid group of 6 with a potential break out by 6 more even if 50% come thru we will do fine.
With the power spread expect short passes to 1,3,83 and some open field moves= some exciting O play this fall

We are "fine"?? Let's take a look at the facts:

Grant 3 years, 63 receptions, 685 yards, 1 TD
Patton 3 years, 57/704/5
Tsimis 3 years, 25/254/3
Agudosi 3 years, 27/424/1

Combined average per season: 57 receptions, 698 yards, 3.33 TD's

Leonte Carro, on the other hand, had the following stats on his own:

2013 - 28/478/9
2014 - 55/1086/10
2015 - 39/809/10

...despite injuries and suspensions. Suffice to say, SORRY, but we've got A LOT of work to do at WR. Doesn't mean they can't or won't, be good, but let's not start with this "we are fine" stuff, okay? Bottom line is this group will very likely be rated in the bottom 3 or 4 of B1G WR position groups come summer.

 

[imbazza2]

so you say; so shall we see this fall
Yes Carroo is Pro material but Patton, Matthews, Tsimis and Grant are solid quality college players and sometimes Agudosi
As for your soothsaying "bottom 3 or 4 summer ranking" means ********, as it will be done by armchair sportswriters like you without a game played, you judge?
see them at the end of the season.

 

[newwavedave1]

Laviano did his Nova impression with Carroo as his Sanu. With Carroo gone, does he have the skill/patience to find his 2nd and 3rd option?

 

[Perricone7]

While WR will probably not be a position of strength, it's not LB panic status. Grant, Patton and Tsmis have shown they are capable. Agudosi too for that matter. If you think this group is worrisome, how about next year when the (likely) top 4 guys are gone...

 

[rubaseball78_rivals]

Tsimsis has great hands, but can't shed blockers nor get deep.
Patton has all the tools, yet wasn't productive next to Carroo. He's the #1 Guy now. Can he do it?
Agudosi reminds everyone of Coleman, but hasn't been nearly as productive. Maybe he should have been moved to TE years ago.
Grant, might be too valuable in the return game to risk as a starter.

if I had to make the call, I would start Patton and Tsimsis, with Grant as my third.

Grant is too valuable in return game to risk using as a starter? Really? We need to get him the ball more in space from scrimmage. He should be touching ball at least 10 times per game next year.

 

[Abro1975]

Agudosi and Patton will be the 2 WRs and Grant the slot . Tsimis will see a lot of action, as will JuWan Harris a few games into the season. The new offense will make it a bit easier for them to find 'space' and get open for quicker passes. Not sure how much of a receiving role the TEs will have at this point.

 

[El Curioso Impertinente]

Grant is too valuable in return game to risk using as a starter? Really? We need to get him the ball more in space from scrimmage. He should be touching ball at least 10 times per game next year.

Absolutely. Grant gives us the opportunity to win the Special Teams Battle in every game.

 

[RU05]

There is still some good talent at WR. With much more experience then LB. Obviously Leonte going pro leaves a big void, but we still have players.

 

[RU05]

Grant is too valuable in return game to risk using as a starter? Really? We need to get him the ball more in space from scrimmage. He should be touching ball at least 10 times per game next year.[/QUOTE]
Do you mean literally, like, our D will be scored upon so often Grant will be receiving kickoffs at least 10 times a game next year?

 

[Abro1975]

El Curioso is muy entretenido. Unfortunately his knowledge of RU football is as limited as his knowledge of RU Wrestling, lol.

 

[ScarletRunner]

Absolutely. Grant gives us the opportunity to win the Special Teams Battle in every game.

This would be a strange thought even if we were loaded with wide receivers, but considering our depth at the position it sounds particularly misguided.

 

[El Curioso Impertinente]

El Curioso is muy entretenido. Unfortunately his knowledge of RU football is as limited as his knowledge of RU Wrestling, lol.

Love being insulted by a Geezer like Abrold.

 

[Dpgru]

Grant needs to touch the ball often. Using him on short routes and getting him the ball in space will open up deeper routes for many of the true wide outs. Keeping him on special teams limits the contribution he can make to the offense.

 

[RUBigJ]

We were hurt at this position when we didn't get any recruits 2 years ago.

 

[FELONIOUSMONK]

Our team is like the weather. Tough to project beyond 10 days..But if I had to take a guess ???? Nah.Not going there.

 

[Reppin_Jerz]

so you say; so shall we see this fall
Yes Carroo is Pro material but Patton, Matthews, Tsimis and Grant are solid quality college players and sometimes Agudosi
As for your soothsaying "bottom 3 or 4 summer ranking" means ********, as it will be done by armchair sportswriters like you without a game played, you judge?
see them at the end of the season.

Was that your analysis on every receiver on roster or did you read that somewhere? I also would disagree with your assessment that "we are fine", there is a lot of unproven potential there, what have you seen on the field that shows there is "quality and solid" college players? Even in Carroo's absence last year, the guys you mentioned had a tendency to disappear for games at a time...all can't be blamed on the QB. Maybe a guy like Grant or Tsimis have the potential skill sets to thrive in a well run spread, but no one has proven anything to say "we are fine" or they are "quality and solid" beyond a few flashes of talent here and there.

 

[AreYouNUTS]

so you say; so shall we see this fall
Yes Carroo is Pro material but Patton, Matthews, Tsimis and Grant are solid quality college players and sometimes Agudosi
As for your soothsaying "bottom 3 or 4 summer ranking" means ********, as it will be done by armchair sportswriters like you without a game played, you judge?
see them at the end of the season.

Those "arm chair qb's" were spot-on last year about ALL of our position groups IIRC (despite everyone here ripping them apart in August...). Just sayin'!

 

[AreYouNUTS]

This would be a strange thought even if we were loaded with wide receivers, but considering our depth at the position it sounds particularly misguided.

While WR will probably not be a position of strength, it's not LB panic status. Grant, Patton and Tsmis have shown they are capable. Agudosi too for that matter. If you think this group is worrisome, how about next year when the (likely) top 4 guys are gone...

Here's the big problem: the #'s that they do have, other than Patton's game against a UNC D that simply didn't show up for the Detroit Bowl, all have come against very weak D's (see: Agudosi vs IU, Grant vs Maryland). I think there IS some talent here no doubt, especially with Grant in this O, but I still have my concerns.

No, it's obviously not nearly the concern that the LB group is however, IMHO, it still is a big concern until proven otherwise.

 

[AreYouNUTS]

Absolutely. Grant gives us the opportunity to win the Special Teams Battle in every game.

Grant is a weapon, however, we have no proven kicker, or punter, and our return teams last year, for the most part, were lousy. Despite 3 KO returns by Grant Rutgers didn't even finish Top 50 (57th) nationally in Kickoff Returns (base don average per return). A lot of work to be done but hopefully the new staff has made the necessary adjustments to get us there.

 

[Yeah Baby]

The year after Sanu left I heard all of the experts saying we have nobody returning because 80% of our passes sent his way. Guess what, we had Coleman, Wright and Carroo returning and they all will play in the NFL.