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Agree, this was expected. I hope the 'new culture' includes a VERY solid assistant coach with potential to take over when the time comes. That could help with coaching up the current players and recruiting as well.
 
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RUsojo

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If you want a new culture you need a new type of player: Hopefully this new assistant helps recruit different types of player because CVS can't.
 
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knightfan7

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As she should. I was no fan of her old contract. It was way out of line for a sport that loses as much money every year as WBB does. The one she's operating under now is more reasonable and she deserves the chance to work thru a down year or two without all the firing nonsense.

I will say this 1,000 win stuff can not be a consideration if the results continue to trend down next year.
 
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knightfan7 said:
As she should. I was no fan of her old contract. It was way out of line for a sport that loses as much money every year as WBB does. The one she's operating under now is more reasonable and she deserves the chance to work thru a down year or two without all the firing nonsense.
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Whether people like it or not, her old contract was entirely in line with what other people who were equally successful were being paid at the time. As noted in another thread, the top coaches are getting paid even more today - Kim Mulkey is making around $2 million a year.
 
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BeKnighted said:
Whether people like it or not, her old contract was entirely in line with what other people who were equally successful were being paid at the time. As noted in another thread, the top coaches are getting paid even more today - Kim Mulkey is making around $2 million a year.
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Yes they do. The question is how much the schools like UConn, Tenn, Baylor, and So Carolina lose vs the donations to the program. The average WBB program loses around $2 million a year. I can't help but believe schools like the one's I mentioned make that up in spades by donations to the school and program. All we all are well aware, Rutgers is not in that position.
 
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RUJMM78

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RUsojo said:
If you want a new culture you need a new type of player: Hopefully this new assistant helps recruit different types of player because CVS can't.
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I haven't yet read a clear explanation of Stringer's culture change.Is it attitude,style of play ,recruiting philosophy or a combination of those factors?From my perspective I hope there are major changes on offense because at times it was hard to watch.
 
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RUJMM78 said:
I haven't yet read a clear explanation of Stringer's culture change.Is it attitude,style of play ,recruiting philosophy or a combination of those factors?From my perspective I hope there are major changes on offense because at times it was hard to watch.
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No one has. It's a smokescreen.
 
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knightfan7 said:
Yes they do. The question is how much the schools like UConn, Tenn, Baylor, and So Carolina lose vs the donations to the program. The average WBB program loses around $2 million a year. I can't help but believe schools like the one's I mentioned make that up in spades by donations to the school and program. All we all are well aware, Rutgers is not in that position.
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The market is the market. It doesn't care how much money a program is making or losing.

And for what it's worth, I've looked at the numbers for various programs over the years. If you believe the reports made to the NCAA (which you maybe shouldn't), at most a couple of WCBB programs make money in any given year. (The reports are suspect for a variety of reasons, one of which is that schools get to allocate revenues for things like program-wide radio and advertising contracts however they want, and they usually want to allocate those revenues to football to make it look better.)
 
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RUClassof67

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RUJMM78 said:
I haven't yet read a clear explanation of Stringer's culture change.Is it attitude,style of play ,recruiting philosophy or a combination of those factors?From my perspective I hope there are major changes on offense because at times it was hard to watch.
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And you feel that this needs to be explained to you?? Why do we believe we are entitled to information.
 
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BeKnighted said:
The market is the market. It doesn't care how much money a program is making or losing.

And for what it's worth, I've looked at the numbers for various programs over the years. If you believe the reports made to the NCAA (which you maybe shouldn't), at most a couple of WCBB programs make money in any given year. (The reports are suspect for a variety of reasons, one of which is that schools get to allocate revenues for things like program-wide radio and advertising contracts however they want, and they usually want to allocate those revenues to football to make it look better.)
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I got my info from Bloomberg and Forbes. Yes, the articles were from a couple of years ago but I am aware of nothing that would make you believe the numbers have improved.
 
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RUClassof67 said:
And you feel that this needs to be explained to you?? Why do we believe we are entitled to information.
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The problem is there is no information to begin with. Just more of the same with a "I'll try harder" excuse. Cmon now.
 
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I'm not sure I know what information you want or would expect right now. She said there needed to be a culture change on the team, Tyler Scaife said she wants to be the team leader and help effect that change.

One thing that will interest me is whether the current lineup of assistants stays the same or if there are changes. We probably won't know that for a little while - the market for assistants doesn't really get going until after the Final Four.
 
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OK, it's good to have this out of the way. Now her (CVS) goal needs to be to get the program as strong as possible so when she retires in 2 years we don't need a total rebuild. Think a good approach would be to hire a strong assistant who could potentially take over when CVS leaves.

As for the "total culture change", we'll see.
 
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The team from 2014-2015 had a very strong and clear leader, Betnijah Laney. She was as tough as they come, and she hated to lose. She knew where everyone was supposed to be on the court and what they were supposed to be doing, much in the tradition of Tasha, Chelsea and Khadijah. Not everyone has those leadership capabilities or is willing to take on the role. Losing Betnijah's leadership this past season was very evident. After the tournament in St. Thomas at Thanksgiving, a ref on our flight told us that she didn't know who to go to on the court this year without Naj. This is not to be interpreted as a knock against any members of the team, but it illustrates the importance of having that vocal leadership. Our bench was very active and engaged this season when not in the game. We need the same degree of enthusiasm and leadership on the court, and I hope Tyler will be able to inspire it.
 
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Professional approach to get this out of the way quickly so everyone can move on --

http://www.app.com/story/sports/col...tgers-basketball/82150984/?platform=hootsuite

It will be interesting to see what the "new culture" looks like.
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And I think it was a wise decision at this juncture. As I have stated several times here, this would have been a PR nightmare with Stringer so close to getting her 1,000 wins. Hobbs should rework her contract, let her get her 1,000 wins and then give her the option of retiring graciously, or at that point allow her to go her separate way. Hobbs has done a wonderful job in such a short time. We don't need to destabilize the women's program, which even though disappointing is still a solid program as compared to what we've seen with the men for 25 years.
 
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thank you Scarlette K...he will live infamously or maybe not as my avatar on the boards
 
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BeKnighted said:
Ah, your favorite idea. I'd love it if I had any reason to think that she'd do it.
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This is not directed at u BeK. I didn't knowhow to post w/out hitting reply.

If Hobbs brings back CVS, it will be an "F" on his report card. And anyone that says not letting CVS get to 1000 wins would be a PR disaster have very skewed priorities.

Mark my words. This is what will happen.
We will be lucky to finish .500 next year. WE will have one proven Big Ten caliber player. A good coach could easily get RU to the NIT next year. NCAA's is a big question mark.

The next year (CVS will need to still be the coach to achieve the 1000 wins):

The cupboard is a joke. With CVS and her excuses, we definitely don't make it to .500.

With a new coach; .500 would be great. And I can then see the CVS diehards (notice I didn't just say supporters) will be calling for their H of Fame coach to come back.
 
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knightfan7 said:
I got my info from Bloomberg and Forbes. Yes, the articles were from a couple of years ago but I am aware of nothing that would make you believe the numbers have improved.
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You lost me somewhere. Women's basketball loses money everywhere. There are 3 programs (Tennessee and UConn are 2 of them) that have made money at times. Not, to the best of my knowledge, recently, That has not stopped salaries for coaches from more or less constantly increasing.

Actually, and I was just reading on this, an appalling number of schools (and RU is certainly one) operate athletics at a deficit. Heck, a lot of schools operate football in the red. And football is the one sport that generally can make money at a school (men's basketball tends to be more profitable for the NCAA as a whole, but not necessarily for individual schools).

I'm sorry I can't provide links, a lot of what I read were links on various threads on another message board that I read.
 
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Think Hobbs just earned a A and making sure RU WBB isn't going to go down because he panicked.
Vivian deserves all the support some give her on this board and can't see anyone thinking a new HC would do better with the same problems facing that HC that Stringer is facing now.
I look for the Women's Basketball team to rebound like it did in 2013-14 from the season before.
One thing about the HOF RU WBB HC, an 18-14 season looks like the sky is falling with her as the HC.
People expect greatness from her because she did it before.
The problem now is that she can't overcome the obstacles to the program as she once was able to do and now RU WBB is just a fairly good program because Stringer doesn't have the name to bring in the type of talent that can play her brand constantly good and that's why we see inconsistency from game to game and sometimes we do get frustrated because of that.
 
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bac2therac said:
one last try for Gail in the big leagues
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Would love to see that.
But I think I read on this board a couple of times in the last year that Gail doesn't want to go back to being a college HC.
But things don't always stay the same and hopefully Goestenkors will decide being an assistant in the WNBA isn't what she wants and RU will have a shot at her easing back into being a Collage HC by starting back as a head coach in waiting at RU.
 
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MADHAT1 said:
Would love to see that.
But I think I read on this board a couple of times in the last year that Gail doesn't want to go back to being a college HC.
But things don't always stay the same and hopefully Goestenkors will decide being an assistant in the WNBA isn't what she wants and RU will have a shot at her easing back into being a Collage HC by starting back as a head coach in waiting at RU.
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Not much success at Texas....probably a bad fit in the longhorn state. With all the players in that state she should have done better than first round NCAA.
 
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MADHAT1 said:
Would love to see that.
But I think I read on this board a couple of times in the last year that Gail doesn't want to go back to being a college HC.
But things don't always stay the same and hopefully Goestenkors will decide being an assistant in the WNBA isn't what she wants and RU will have a shot at her easing back into being a Collage HC by starting back as a head coach in waiting at RU.
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I have mixed feelings about the coaching in waiting, but if we were to go that route, I'd much rather see a young up-and-comer. I can't imagine how we could possibly afford Gail G , who reportedly was lured to Texas in 2007 for $1 million, to sit on the bench for a year, while still paying Stringer's salary.
 
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rubaseball78_rivals

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While the last 3 years haven't been up to the prior years' standards, I believe she did average 23 wins per year for the last 3. Not sure how you justify firing a hall of fame coach after a 19 win season. I generally don't agree with coach in waiting concept but may be worthwhile doing for continuity for recruiting. Very similar situation that FSU had with Bowden transitioning to Jimbo Fisher. Unless next year is a complete disaster I see her finishing out her contract.
 
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when you fire your football coach, and mens basketball coach in the same offseasom, its probably smart not to fire the WBB coach too...especially when the program has been bad by our standards, but certainly not embarrassing on the court nor off --- mens bball and football have been both embarrassing on the field/court and off....however, I do think CVS is on her last legs as a coach, and it is time for a change but I don't think it matters much if the change is this year or next
 
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