If a young lady from Honduras is detained at the border, can she be denied asylum if the 6 week old fetus with a heartbeat was conceived in the USA? That fetus should have all the rights of a US citizen if life begins with a heartbeat even if born outside of the US right?
Hey Atl.... here is a question for you
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yea, the state of the original posters mental status. Would you outlaw all abortions if the place of conception would grant someone legal citizen status? I would think that many on the right would take that deal.
So you're admitting it's a Life worth saving right? OK, what about the millions of other American lives we wipe out that are on this side of the border?
The answer is Yes she can be detained, and denied asylum until she is legally allowed here. Her pregnancy doesn't automatically make her a citizen since there is another person inside her. It does however make that Life worth saving no matter which side of the border she conceives.
@Original Mountaineer1 , Now answer this question. Should innocent Life be preserved as described in this Bill now pending signature into Law in Alabama?
Alabama Abortion bill passes Senate, heads to Governor
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/05/15/alabama-abortion-bill-passes-senate-and-heads-to-governor.html
key points:
Alabama Abortion bill passes Senate, heads to Governor
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/05/15/alabama-abortion-bill-passes-senate-and-heads-to-governor.html
key points:
- Alabama is close to approving a near total ban on abortion after the state Senate passed a measure that would make performing an abortion at any stage of pregnancy a felony.
- The bill would make performing an abortion at any stage of pregnancy a felony punishable by up to 99 years in prison. The only exception would be when the pregnancy endangers the woman’s health.
- If signed into law, it would be the most stringent abortion restriction in the country.
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Was she trying to leave or cross illegally? Either way, the law was written for slaves brought here not for illegals scamming our country. I guess you don't really know the law the way it was written. It was just whitey trying to give citizenship to people who were brought here against their will.
Illegals and birth should be challenged in the court system. The law was written so that slaves could be citizens.
If she wasn't a US citizen when she conceived here or was here illegally, her pregnancy doesn't change her legal status. You are correct about natural birthright...it's just been extended to non-slaves mostly for diplomats who have children here.
So you are pro life but ok with the death penalty, kids dying in school shootings, and US vets offing themselves?
I'm opposed to raving lunatics. What the Hell does killing innocent unborn babies have to do with lunatics killing innocent school kids? Or society killing folks legally convicted of doing such heinous things? As for Vets committing suicide I respect the sacrifice they made for our country, but we're not asking them to off themselves, just our enemies.
Are you opposed to lunatics or do you empathize with them?
First must clarify are you ok with the death penalty or do you oppose it ?
He's not going to answer you. He asked me a question, and I answered it. When I asked him a question, he asked me another question, completely ignored mine. He's a loon...forget about him.
That's my answer to what I read you asked me.
I answered Yes. and explained why.
If it's born outside the U.S. it's not a U.S. citizen under current Law. It's still a Life worth saving regardless of where it's conceived which is exactly what I answered.
Where's my answer? You agree that is innocent Human Life worth saving?
@Original Mountaineer1 I know I'm wasting my time asking you this but since I never got an answer from you three days ago when I first asked you, I'll ask it again.
If a human Baby with a beating heart at only six weeks is not a human Baby with a beating heart at six weeks, what else is it with a beating heart at six weeks?
I know you don't think it's a Baby or even human but give me some other name you think fits that six week old Life with a beating heart?
If a human Baby with a beating heart at only six weeks is not a human Baby with a beating heart at six weeks, what else is it with a beating heart at six weeks?
I know you don't think it's a Baby or even human but give me some other name you think fits that six week old Life with a beating heart?
You can't have it both ways. Either the fetus is a viable human with rights or they aren't You can't pick and choose which rights apply.
When did I ever say a fetus wasn't human? Human rights and legal American citizenship are not synonymous are they?
And I ask you this that you can't answer, if that fetus with a beating heart was conceived on US soil you are saying they are US citizens???
To the Law they are not. Is it human? You still haven't answered that you fraud.
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I have been very clear what I think is a realistic compromise. The problem is nobody wants to compromise and neither side sees the hypocrisy in their arguments.
read above. I explained that
read above. I explained that
Even if it was, that does not make the baby a U.S. citizen under current Law. Right now that's where the Baby's born. How can it even be born if she's allowed to legally kill it, in which case how could it ever be given full US citizenship?
If it's conceived on U.S. soil I know a good way to make that illegal immigrant Pro-Life. Don't abort it! Do you still favor her aborting it if she doesn't want it, or keeping it alive so she can gain legal citizenship if she's here illegally? You can't have it both ways. You're either Pro choice, and she kills the unwanted kid, then gets deported or she's Pro-Life and keeps it, and gets to stay here to become a reliable Democrat dependent voter.
Remember, if she's Pro Life, she probably votes Republican. That defeats you Leftist's whole objective flooding our border with illegals to keep your party in power.[winking]
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He's not blind and still can't see it...or refuses to admit it. (that's a human being deserving of protected Life status)
Serious question. Did he really explain up above in that scenario how you would know 100% if the baby was conceived on US soil?
I'm looking and really don't see any explanation for it. Am I missing it @originalmountaineer1 or are you lying? Thanks in advance.
No, he simply suggested if the illegal is "detained" at the border (he inserted the child was conceived on US soil), but offered no explanation on if her conception actually occurred pre-or post detainment.
I choose Life. ie: a viable human with rights. The first one is LIFE! Is it an American citizen with rights? Not if it's aborted.
One more time @Original Mountaineer1 then I'm going to leave it alone because you annoy the Hell out of me.
Is that a human being with a heartbeat at six weeks old who deserves to live or have it's Life protected? Yes or No?
Is that a human being with a heartbeat at six weeks old who deserves to live or have it's Life protected? Yes or No?
Thank you. That's all I needed to know. If he can't logically explain how it is proven where the child is conceived then his argument is completely ignorant and has no basis for further debate.
at heartbeat? I can't think of any animal where the initial heartbeats make it viable. But there is no sense arguing that point because you think a heartbeat means you have a full human with all rights granted by our Constitution
Let's make this simple......a female detained at the US border (on US soil) that has been confined for 8 weeks has a 6 week old fetus with a heartbeat......is this fetus has rights, is it a US citizen? A question for ATL but I'll welcome your opinion.
Then when you figure out you Kermit Gosnell "wanna be" what else that is at six weeks which allows you or some woman who also thinks like you do to slaughter the Life before it's born post me with what other name you come up with that erases your guilty macabre conscience?
Even animals, who eat other animals don't slaughter their own unborn.
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