Frost pros and cons?

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I know there are lots of Frost threads but I have been trying to digest the highlights of what others have said. I may have missed a few arguments but I think these are the most commonly cited. Please add or subtract others.

1. He’s a Nebraskan and understands the culture. Maybe so, but he also chose a bad Stanford program over a top NU program as a player and only came home when it was apparent he didn’t fit Walsh’s West Coast Offense.

2. He would stay until retirement, if wanted. Maybe, but he might also look to a bigger job as he left Nebraska once.

3. He will turn things around by year 3, unlike Riley. That seems like a huge reach. Didn’t we think Turner would quickly improve KU after his similar, immediate successful Buffalo experience? As a guy with only two years as a HC, it will take time to get high caliber assistant coaches and to develop recruiting contacts in the 500 mile radius.

4. He will bring back the toughness lacking since the 2000’s began. Maybe so, but it’s hard to forget that he apparently provided little resistance when LP dragged a former girlfriend from Scott’s apartment by her hair down three flights of stairs. And while that is probably mostly an old, cheap shot, of much more relevance to the toughness question is that he does seem to be more intrigued by Oregon’s Chip Kelly up tempo, wide open offense than NU’s toughest guy on the block approach.

5. He has taken a terrible UCF program and made them very good quickly. It is true UCF was awful in 2015 but they were in a BCS bowl as recently as 2014, so it is reasonable to think he didn’t face the rebuilding challenges that say Turner did at Buffalo or even Frank did at Ohio.

6. He may be a great offensive innovator like TO. Or he may be temporarily succeeding with warmed over up tempo Chip Kelly schemes that will eventually fail.

Although the focus is clearly on the HC position, I’m more concerned about the AD hiring. If we get the right AD, he/she will get the right coach. There were lots of people who thought NU should have hired Gill —and probably still do — but he proved that his success at a smaller program didn’t immediately translate to a Power 5 school. It’s hard not to wonder if the same blinders are being applied now.

It’s going to be a wild ride here again, unfortunately. That much, I’d bet on.
 

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It's never going to be as easy as we want nor will it be as hard as we assume. We're not in as bad of shape as many would have you believe and it's not going to change overnight either.

We're not going to get a power run based offense with Frost, he is a young coach and will make mistakes, how is his recruiting?, he will throw on 3rd and 2 considering their screen game is an important cog in the offense, etc. It's not going to be all glory, glory and growing pains will exist but who knows, we could end up with a good deal.

I guess we hope for the best..
 

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Wow.

1. Unlike Frank Solich, he has experiences beyond Lincoln. Did you really bring up his choice of Stanford over Nebraska, as a shortcoming?

2. Presumptive ... how much of his life has he spent in Nebraska?

3. Mike Riley hasn't been dismissed quite yet.

4. Wow

5. What do Turner Gill and Frank Solich have to do with any of this really?

6. Dr. Tom Osborne didn't win any major national titles his first decade and half. The era of College Football has changed significantly.

Northern Illinois was not a Top 25 program recordwise during Osborne's reign, though P.J. Fleck did help his Huskies beat Alabama, Iowa State and Maryland in a single season, when he was a WR.

The AD position is vital for every program. As a native Iowan, I know the Hawkeyes were successful in the 1950s. But, if you trace back and look at their Athletic Department Administration in the 1960s, it was extremely costly for football and other sports with who was made AD.

It cost Iowa's football for two decades ...

Nebraska Football has had a tough 15 years. The 2001 season was the last major season, and chinks in the armor were witnessed back then, as we all recall that Black Friday game.

Mike Riley and the Cornhuskers have a bye week after seven games. Five games remain in B1G play and will it be a smooth final Five for the Huskers?

Personally, I have never been a huge fan of hiring alumni in prominent roles.

  • Bob Knight played at OSU.
  • Nick Saban wasn't a Bama guy
  • Dabo Sweeney was hired mid-seadon at Clemson and wasn't an ACC guy in college
  • Woody and Bo were not alums
  • Barry and Dr. Tom were not either
It can work, but it isn't a guarantee. Look to Ann Arbor today.
 

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I think that #6 is very
Wow.

1. Unlike Frank Solich, he has experiences beyond Lincoln. Did you really bring up his choice of Stanford over Nebraska, as a shortcoming?

2. Presumptive ... how much of his life has he spent in Nebraska?

3. Mike Riley hasn't been dismissed quite yet.

4. Wow

5. What do Turner Gill and Frank Solich have to do with any of this really?

6. Dr. Tom Osborne didn't win any major national titles his first decade and half. The era of College Football has changed significantly.

Northern Illinois was not a Top 25 program recordwise during Osborne's reign, though P.J. Fleck did help his Huskies beat Alabama, Iowa State and Maryland in a single season, when he was a WR.

The AD position is vital for every program. As a native Iowan, I know the Hawkeyes were successful in the 1950s. But, if you trace back and look at their Athletic Department Administration in the 1960s, it was extremely costly for football and other sports with who was made AD.

It cost Iowa's football for two decades ...

Nebraska Football has had a tough 15 years. The 2001 season was the last major season, and chinks in the armor were witnessed back then, as we all recall that Black Friday game.

Mike Riley and the Cornhuskers have a bye week after seven games. Five games remain in B1G play and will it be a smooth final Five for the Huskers?

Personally, I have never been a huge fan of hiring alumni in prominent roles.

  • Bob Knight played at OSU.
  • Nick Saban wasn't a Bama guy
  • Dabo Sweeney was hired mid-seadon at Clemson and wasn't an ACC guy in college
  • Woody and Bo were not alums
  • Barry and Dr. Tom were not either
It can work, but it isn't a guarantee. Look to Ann Arbor today.

I think that #6 is very important to determine before a coach like Frost is hired. For those in the know, is Scott Frost an innovator on offense or was he putting out Kelly's offense without adding anything of his own?

Tom Osborne did not have any head coaching experience but Devaney knew how good he was with the changes he made to the offense. The other thing that Osborne did was to eventually change the offense and get some help from Bobby Bowden in implementing the changes needed to improve the defense by recruiting more speed. Osborne also knew that the defense needed to practice against the option in order to be able to stop it.

I hope that if Frost is hired he is willing to make whatever changes are needed offensively and defensively to be competitive in the B1G with teams like OSU, Wisconsin, Penn State and Michigan. Not having a power running game (or using it) doesn't prepare the defense against the elite teams in the B1G.
 

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The only hesitation to hiring Frost that I would have is if he has the leadership strength to make his own decisions. By that I mean I'm guessing that some of the former players (The ones that are always outspoken) and maybe coaches will probably give their input on what needs to be done. All that is fine if it is also what Frost already wanted to do, but if it isn't what he thinks needs to be done can he tell them 'thanks for your input, but I'm the coach and we're doing it my way'.
 
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Wow.

1. Unlike Frank Solich, he has experiences beyond Lincoln. Did you really bring up his choice of Stanford over Nebraska, as a shortcoming?

2. Presumptive ... how much of his life has he spent in Nebraska?

3. Mike Riley hasn't been dismissed quite yet.

4. Wow

5. What do Turner Gill and Frank Solich have to do with any of this really?

6. Dr. Tom Osborne didn't win any major national titles his first decade and half. The era of College Football has changed significantly.

Northern Illinois was not a Top 25 program recordwise during Osborne's reign, though P.J. Fleck did help his Huskies beat Alabama, Iowa State and Maryland in a single season, when he was a WR.

The AD position is vital for every program. As a native Iowan, I know the Hawkeyes were successful in the 1950s. But, if you trace back and look at their Athletic Department Administration in the 1960s, it was extremely costly for football and other sports with who was made AD.

It cost Iowa's football for two decades ...

Nebraska Football has had a tough 15 years. The 2001 season was the last major season, and chinks in the armor were witnessed back then, as we all recall that Black Friday game.

Mike Riley and the Cornhuskers have a bye week after seven games. Five games remain in B1G play and will it be a smooth final Five for the Huskers?

Personally, I have never been a huge fan of hiring alumni in prominent roles.

  • Bob Knight played at OSU.
  • Nick Saban wasn't a Bama guy
  • Dabo Sweeney was hired mid-seadon at Clemson and wasn't an ACC guy in college
  • Woody and Bo were not alums
  • Barry and Dr. Tom were not either
It can work, but it isn't a guarantee. Look to Ann Arbor today.

I would take what is going on in Ann Arbor no questions asked.
 

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Would you consider Ohio State to have a power running game?

No. They have a very diversified offense with a lot of weapons on offense.Dobbins however has been very productive when he runs the ball. 7.8 yards a carry is pretty damn good.
 

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No. They have a very diversified offense with a lot of weapons on offense.Dobbins however has been very productive when he runs the ball. 7.8 yards a carry is pretty damn good.

You would get a very similar offense with Frost..

Spielman would actually be sick in an Ohio State offense..
 
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Would you consider Ohio State to have a power running game?

Before Urban Meyer got to Columbus, he never had a power back running for 1000 yards in a season. In 2015, the Buckeyes abandoned any sort of consistent power running game, and lost to MSU and the race to Indy.

No, they don't run a consistent power running game. However, they could, if they patiently choose to at times.

Of course, RB in 2015 plays for the Dallas Cowboys and he was very outspoken, after the L.
 

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You would get a very similar offense with Frost..

Spielman would actually be sick in an Ohio State offense..

As long as we can run the ball effectively on offense and not get steamrolled by the run on defense, I think that we would all be happy with that. Spielman was a great 3* recruit and will hopefully play a big role in whatever offense we go forward with in the future.

If Frost becomes our future coach, what current QB do you think would be the best fit?
 
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The only hesitation to hiring Frost that I would have is if he has the leadership strength to make his own decisions. By that I mean I'm guessing that some of the former players (The ones that are always outspoken) and maybe coaches will probably give their input on what needs to be done. All that is fine if it is also what Frost already wanted to do, but if it isn't what he thinks needs to be done can he tell them 'thanks for your input, but I'm the coach and we're doing it my way'.
So much truth in this
 

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Before Urban Meyer got to Columbus, he never had a power back running for 1000 yards in a season. In 2015, the Buckeyes abandoned any sort of consistent power running game, and lost to MSU and the race to Indy.

No, they don't run a consistent power running game. However, they could, if they patiently choose to at times.

Of course, RB in 2015 plays for the Dallas Cowboys and he was very outspoken, after the L.

The point was that you're not going to get what some would seem to expect with Frost. Ohio State actually runs quite a bit of power variants and they did so against Nebraska Saturday night with success. You will see it but we're not going to see a team line up and focus on throwing guys all over the place to create running lanes.
 

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If Frost becomes our future coach, what current QB do you think would be the best fit?

Meh, I'm not sure any that we have are a great fit but I suppose if he's as good as some expect then he can make one work short term. You'll miss the threat on zone reads, QB power, etc. so you're kind of limited there. Seen POB get out of a mess last night and it surprised me that he was able to escape, that sort of ability doesn't hurt. I really don't think any of them are a great option though.
 

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I’m going to laugh my *** off when Riley gets fired and Frost does NOT get hired. For the love of me I do not get the love fest with Frost. He’s doing good for a small school in a small time conference. Just because he’s doing ok with this school now in that joke of a conference in no way shape or form mean he will kill it in the BIG10. I hope to God we at least shoot for the moon and try for Stoops. He’s the closest we will get to a Saban or Urban Meyer hire.
 
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I’m going to laugh my *** off when Riley gets fired and Frost does NOT get hired. For the love of me I do not get the love fest with Frost. He’s doing good for a small school in a small time conference. Just because he’s doing ok with this school now in that joke of a conference in no way shape or form mean he will kill it in the BIG10. I hope to God we at least shoot for the moon and try for Stoops. He’s the closest we will get to a Saban or Urban Meyer hire.

I want some of what you're smoking.
 

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I’m going to laugh my *** off when Riley gets fired and Frost does NOT get hired. For the love of me I do not get the love fest with Frost. He’s doing good for a small school in a small time conference. Just because he’s doing ok with this school now in that joke of a conference in no way shape or form mean he will kill it in the BIG10. I hope to God we at least shoot for the moon and try for Stoops. He’s the closest we will get to a Saban or Urban Meyer hire.

Well, his little school from the small time conference has almost as many wins over Big 10 teams this year as Nebraska does. And it was against a better Big 10 team than Rutgers & Illinois.

Actually, that small time conference is 2-1 against the Big 10 this year.
 
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I know there are lots of Frost threads but I have been trying to digest the highlights of what others have said. I may have missed a few arguments but I think these are the most commonly cited. Please add or subtract others.

1. He’s a Nebraskan and understands the culture. Maybe so, but he also chose a bad Stanford program over a top NU program as a player and only came home when it was apparent he didn’t fit Walsh’s West Coast Offense.
I don't understand your point. He grew up in Nebraska and played for NU. The fact that he also played for Stanford does not negate the fact that he knows the state of Nebraska and the university better than an outsider.
2. He would stay until retirement, if wanted. Maybe, but he might also look to a bigger job as he left Nebraska once.
If NU is going to hire Frost they need to do it now. Otherwise he will be hired by another Top-5 conference team that may offer more money and a potentially better recruiting bed. Every coach that is successful will be given opportunities elsewhere. Even Osborne was offered another job that he almost took.
3. He will turn things around by year 3, unlike Riley. That seems like a huge reach. Didn’t we think Turner would quickly improve KU after his similar, immediate successful Buffalo experience? As a guy with only two years as a HC, it will take time to get high caliber assistant coaches and to develop recruiting contacts in the 500 mile radius.
Regardless of who is hired the first few years are part of rebuilding phase as he implements a new offense, etc. Year one is almost always a challenge with a limited time to recruit, the need to hire a new staff, etc. Most fans expect growing pains. By year two the program should begin to solidify, and by year three you can start to see the trajectory of the program. Most good coaches by year three are proving themselves with results on the field. So yes, I agree with the three year measure.
4. He will bring back the toughness lacking since the 2000’s began. Maybe so, but it’s hard to forget that he apparently provided little resistance when LP dragged a former girlfriend from Scott’s apartment by her hair down three flights of stairs. And while that is probably mostly an old, cheap shot, of much more relevance to the toughness question is that he does seem to be more intrigued by Oregon’s Chip Kelly up tempo, wide open offense than NU’s toughest guy on the block approach.
This is flat out wrong. Scott's toughness was proven on the field over and over in college and in the NFL (and even as a coach in dealing with Lagarette Blount). What happened with Phillips and Kate M was something tragic and unless you've been in a situation where you are a victim of a crime or are witness to a crime you won't know how you will react. A lot of people talk tough until they are put in the situation (I know this from experience).
5. He has taken a terrible UCF program and made them very good quickly. It is true UCF was awful in 2015 but they were in a BCS bowl as recently as 2014, so it is reasonable to think he didn’t face the rebuilding challenges that say Turner did at Buffalo or even Frank did at Ohio.
The bottom line is in his first head coaching gig he's been a resounding success. Sometimes the circumstances are better suited for success, but just as often a coach will fall flat on his face. He didn't.
6. He may be a great offensive innovator like TO. Or he may be temporarily succeeding with warmed over up tempo Chip Kelly schemes that will eventually fail.
He can always hire an OC or co-OC.
Although the focus is clearly on the HC position, I’m more concerned about the AD hiring. If we get the right AD, he/she will get the right coach. There were lots of people who thought NU should have hired Gill —and probably still do — but he proved that his success at a smaller program didn’t immediately translate to a Power 5 school. It’s hard not to wonder if the same blinders are being applied now.
How many people can say they've played or coached under TO, Bill Walsh, Bill Parcells, Chip Kelley etc. The guy has learned from the best and has proven himself ready for a gig like NU.

It’s going to be a wild ride here again, unfortunately. That much, I’d bet on.
 
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Well, his little school from the small time conference has almost as many wins over Big 10 teams this year as Nebraska does. And it was against a better Big 10 team than Rutgers & Illinois.

Actually, that small time conference is 2-1 against the Big 10 this year.
Fine, we'll take your coach. Now go away!
 
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I’m going to laugh my *** off when Riley gets fired and Frost does NOT get hired. For the love of me I do not get the love fest with Frost. He’s doing good for a small school in a small time conference. Just because he’s doing ok with this school now in that joke of a conference in no way shape or form mean he will kill it in the BIG10. I hope to God we at least shoot for the moon and try for Stoops. He’s the closest we will get to a Saban or Urban Meyer hire.

Stoops ain't coming here, that is pie in the sky..
 
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The overall tone of this post is very negative OP. If you put any coach under a microscope like you did here, you're going to find some faults. Why don't you dig up some dirt from all the potential coaching hires from when they were 20 years old and see what you can come up with?
 

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I’m going to laugh my *** off when Riley gets fired and Frost does NOT get hired. For the love of me I do not get the love fest with Frost. He’s doing good for a small school in a small time conference. Just because he’s doing ok with this school now in that joke of a conference in no way shape or form mean he will kill it in the BIG10. I hope to God we at least shoot for the moon and try for Stoops. He’s the closest we will get to a Saban or Urban Meyer hire.

I am not completely sold on Frost either, but would take him over an older coach who went through some bad times like Les Miles or Charlie Stong. I really think you are dreaming if you think it is just a matter of throwing several million dollars at Stoops feet and he will come North (We probably could get another Stoops, Mike. Mike would make Bo look like lamb).
 

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I’m going to laugh my *** off when Riley gets fired and Frost does NOT get hired. For the love of me I do not get the love fest with Frost. He’s doing good for a small school in a small time conference. Just because he’s doing ok with this school now in that joke of a conference in no way shape or form mean he will kill it in the BIG10. I hope to God we at least shoot for the moon and try for Stoops. He’s the closest we will get to a Saban or Urban Meyer hire.
I think Chip Kelly is closer, but that is just my opinion
 
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4. He will bring back the toughness lacking since the 2000’s began. Maybe so, but it’s hard to forget that he apparently provided little resistance when LP dragged a former girlfriend from Scott’s apartment by her hair down three flights of stairs. And while that is probably mostly an old, cheap shot, of much more relevance to the toughness question is that he does seem to be more intrigued by Oregon’s Chip Kelly up tempo, wide open offense than NU’s toughest guy on the block approach.

Just as a correction to your "apparently". I believe that the best authority as to what happened the night of the LP/KM incident is the unrefuted and consistent testimony that was offered in both LP's trial and in KM's lawsuit against LP and NU. This included 2 presumably unbiased witnesses that came out of their first floor apartment in response to KM's screams and who testified at LP's trial. SF and KM testified that SF was asleep in another room when LP showed up. SF testified that when he heard KM's screams he immediately got out of bed and headed out the door of his apartment. Everyone said that SF was hot on the tail of LP and KM, reaching the first floor immediately behind them. And he and one of the downstairs neighbors immediately pushed between LP and KM. In fact, despite the grotesque lies that more than a few newspapers printed and are unfortunately still believed today, ironically the only serious physical injury that KM suffered was when SF forced himself between LP and KM, knocking KM back into the bannister and cutting the back of her head. Now if you or others believe you have more accurate info then consistent testimony offered under oath, I'd really like to see it. I spent a great deal of time checking this, including talking to one of the downstairs witnesses, and it would be embarrassing to have wasted all that time.
 
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The overall tone of this post is very negative OP. If you put any coach under a microscope like you did here, you're going to find some faults. Why don't you dig up some dirt from all the potential coaching hires from when they were 20 years old and see what you can come up with?

That was my take too. He didn't do the pro's and cons. He basically identified pros that others have brought up and then attacked each of them.
 
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Just as a correction to your "apparently". I believe that the best authority as to what happened the night of the LP/KM incident is the unrefuted and consistent testimony that was offered in both LP's trial and in KM's lawsuit against LP and NU. This included 2 presumably unbiased witnesses that came out of their first floor apartment in response to KM's screams and who testified at LP's trial. SF and KM testified that SF was asleep in another room when LP showed up. SF testified that when he heard KM's screams he immediately got out of bed and headed out the door of his apartment. Everyone said that SF was hot on the tail of LP and KM, reaching the first floor immediately behind them. And he and one of the downstairs neighbors immediately pushed between LP and KM. In fact, despite the grotesque lies that more than a few newspapers printed and are unfortunately still believed today, ironically the only serious physical injury that KM suffered was when SF forced himself between LP and KM, knocking KM back into the bannister and cutting the back of her head. Now if you or others believe you have more accurate info then consistent testimony offered under oath, I'd really like to see it. I spent a great deal of time checking this, including talking to one of the downstairs witnesses, and it would be embarrassing to have wasted all that time.
Thank you.
 

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I’m going to laugh my *** off when Riley gets fired and Frost does NOT get hired. For the love of me I do not get the love fest with Frost. He’s doing good for a small school in a small time conference. Just because he’s doing ok with this school now in that joke of a conference in no way shape or form mean he will kill it in the BIG10. I hope to God we at least shoot for the moon and try for Stoops. He’s the closest we will get to a Saban or Urban Meyer hire.
I honestly think we have a better shot at TO coming back than Bob Stoops returning to coaching, and I would give TO a 0% chance that he is coming back.
 
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