Frost Haters

[Solana Beach Husker]

Propose a reality where we could compete with OSU?

Look at our current roster...and propose how Frost could have prepared us any better for this beat down. Where are the players at? What scheme would have worked? Can Frosty be expected to bring in better talent than he did in his first 18 months of recruiting? Freshman All-American QB? True Freshman Skill players who can play from day 1? Freshman Center? Our go to guys last night were often 18 or 19 years old...with almost no senior leadership anywhere. We had Mo Barry as the spy on Justin Fields...is that talent or scheme?

 

[barney44]

But other teams are young too....

 

[Sinomatic]

Propose a reality where we could compete with OSU?

Look at our current roster...and propose how Frost could have prepared us any better for this beat down. Where are the players at? What scheme would have worked? Can Frosty be expected to bring in better talent than he did in his first 18 months of recruiting? Freshman All-American QB? True Freshman Skill players who can play from day 1? Freshman Center? Our go to guys last night were often 18 or 19 years old...with almost no senior leadership anywhere. We had Mo Barry as the spy on Justin Fields...is that talent or scheme?

I take back every bad word I said about you.

 

[Harry Caray]

We almost lost to South Alabama and Illinois as well, and lost to a mediocre Colorado team who is rebuilding with a 1st-year coach. So it's not just this game that's concerning.

Very few expected to beat Ohio State. Most expected us to put up a better fight than 48-0 in the 3rd quarter.

 

[F5Tornado]

Propose a reality where we could compete with OSU?

Look at our current roster...and propose how Frost could have prepared us any better for this beat down. Where are the players at? What scheme would have worked? Can Frosty be expected to bring in better talent than he did in his first 18 months of recruiting? Freshman All-American QB? True Freshman Skill players who can play from day 1? Freshman Center? Our go to guys last night were often 18 or 19 years old...with almost no senior leadership anywhere. We had Mo Barry as the spy on Justin Fields...is that talent or scheme?

They did compete with them last year at their stadium. I think we all knew this would be a Buckeye victory, but maybe it could have been a bit more like last year, but it was over after the first quarter, unlike last year.

 

[SkerInCo]

It's both talent and scheme. I'm not hitting the panic button yet but every team remaining on OSU's schedule will put up a better fight than we did in the 1st half of that game. We were obviously over matched but I don't buy the notion that the talent discrepancy was that bad.

 

[Baxter48_rivals204143]

It's both talent and scheme. I'm not hitting the panic button yet but every team remaining on OSU's schedule will put up a better fight than we did in the 1st half of that game. We were obviously over matched but I don't buy the notion that the talent discrepancy was that bad.

Just depends on a lot of things, if fields gets hurt I think osu is just mediocre on offense very susceptible imo. First of all I didn’t see the team quit They we’re just flat out overmatched. Now Riley’s team would have folded in the second quarter and bo remember him getting boat raced by average teams not elite ones, if he’d have been coaching the camera would have been on him most of the night waiting for one of his temper tantrums

 

[uberism1111]

Propose a reality where we could compete with OSU?

Look at our current roster...and propose how Frost could have prepared us any better for this beat down. Where are the players at? What scheme would have worked? Can Frosty be expected to bring in better talent than he did in his first 18 months of recruiting? Freshman All-American QB? True Freshman Skill players who can play from day 1? Freshman Center? Our go to guys last night were often 18 or 19 years old...with almost no senior leadership anywhere. We had Mo Barry as the spy on Justin Fields...is that talent or scheme?

Run the option. Problem solved lol. Then they wake up to reality.

 

[BHeinDaHuskers]

I am in no way a Frost hater but I do believe Frost is his own worst enemy.

His own statements seem to come back and smack him in the face. Let me give you some examples.

(These are all paraphrasing his statements)

1- Big ten teams better get us early cause next year we are going to be good. (said this in year one of the big ten media days)

2- Martinez is one of the best quarterbacks in the country and I wouldn't trade him for any quarterback or any player. (Said this after end of the year season 1)

3- Jurgens will be compared to Dave Remington. (Jurgens is a red-shirt freshmen who has never even played center)

Statements like this give us fans a false sense of how good we are when in reality we are extremely shallow on talent. Are we talent-less? No, but we are not even in the same class with other big ten teams such as OSU, PSU, Michigan, MSU, & Wisconsin. Don't tell me we out recruit MSU & Wisconsin, I agree but our talent isn't developed to where theirs is. Overall talent they are on another tier than us.

I think its better to under promise and over deliver than to give us fans a false sense of who we are as a team. Tell your team in the locker room I am going to downplay who we are to the public but in this locker room I want you to know I believe in you, this way I take the heat not you.

Now because some of these players are not living up to the expectations you set they are catching more heat than they should as 19 year old college kids.

I think when Moos said his expectations is a bowl game this year and he caught crap for that, he will not catch crap if things tank and we only win 6. If we exceed and win 9 than nobody will ask Moos why he undersold his head coach. Always better to under promise and over deliver.

 

[Shoxsker]

We almost lost to South Alabama and Illinois as well, and lost to a mediocre Colorado team who is rebuilding with a 1st-year coach. So it's not just this game that's concerning.

Very few expected to beat Ohio State. Most expected us to put up a better fight than 48-0 in the 3rd quarter.

I think what most casual fans dont realize is that we are more like Oklahoma coming off probation....Between poor recruiting, busts, departures, we didnt have a very good roster top to bottom. Give 2-3 years of solid recruiting (Their Blake years) and then youll see a far improved team. We all hope for 6-8 wins and more than 6 can jump start the process but this is the reality.
What scares me is that if we dont start to win the games like the next 4 recruiting will suffer.

 

[Redscarlet]

Verdict is still out if we can compare Jurgens to Rimington but he has opened his mouth a few times that maybe he regrets but that is the kind of outspoken coach he is...

Definitely made some good points in your thread though..

 

[HuskerBruce81]

I don't hate Frost but I'm not appreciative of his handling of the QB position. If I'm Smothers I'm thinking if I'm behind McAfferey and he struggles I won't get a chance to show what i can bring to the table and go somewhere else.

 

[TruHusker]

Propose a reality where we could compete with OSU?

Look at our current roster...and propose how Frost could have prepared us any better for this beat down. Where are the players at? What scheme would have worked? Can Frosty be expected to bring in better talent than he did in his first 18 months of recruiting? Freshman All-American QB? True Freshman Skill players who can play from day 1? Freshman Center? Our go to guys last night were often 18 or 19 years old...with almost no senior leadership anywhere. We had Mo Barry as the spy on Justin Fields...is that talent or scheme?

First, you ask for solutions and then provide the reasons why things are not going well. So what do you really want? More excuses?

I get tired of blaming everyone from Solich to Riley and just needing one more year of S&C and the culture change and on and on. Some of that is relevant, but it boils down to several things. Do you have above average athletes? By all accounts, Nebraska does, some may be young but that is who different subject - the attrition of players which leads to few seniors. Paid big bucks for nutrition and S&C and still not getting the results. So what is left?

We can't seem to get a single yard on O when we really need it. We leave the middle of the field wide open on D, we are not a good tackling team and our special teams are anything but. There is more but it is to the point you can't ignore the reality of the situation.

So our fall back is we just need more and better athletes. No one can argue that, I would guess every team in America would say that. What do you do with them when you get them? That is the question I would ask.

 

[BeautifulDayintheNeighborhood]

Propose a reality where we could compete with OSU?

Look at our current roster...and propose how Frost could have prepared us any better for this beat down. Where are the players at? What scheme would have worked? Can Frosty be expected to bring in better talent than he did in his first 18 months of recruiting? Freshman All-American QB? True Freshman Skill players who can play from day 1? Freshman Center? Our go to guys last night were often 18 or 19 years old...with almost no senior leadership anywhere. We had Mo Barry as the spy on Justin Fields...is that talent or scheme?

We competed with them last year in their stadium.

 

[Husker Sledge]

We almost lost to South Alabama and Illinois as well, and lost to a mediocre Colorado team who is rebuilding with a 1st-year coach. So it's not just this game that's concerning.

Very few expected to beat Ohio State. Most expected us to put up a better fight than 48-0 in the 3rd quarter.

We didn't about lose to South Alabama. We'd beat CU 9 times out of 10. Looked great against NIU and turnovers kicked our *** at Illinois. But.........we did look like **** last night! This staff absolutely has to find a way to fix the turnover issue. All things considered we're 3-2, not 0-5. We can build on this! OSU is probably the best team in the country right now. I just hope the kids can rebound and put it behind them. That was a terrible *** whoopin!

 

[cecilB]

Frost is the right guy. I do think this level of ball, and the physicality of the B1G is new for him - as a head coach. He’ll learn and adapt. Is he brash, and does he com off arrogant sometimes? Sure, but that’s him, but neither a positive or negative.

Honestly, my only gripe which I don’t get on any level is his handling of #28- particularly the hypocrisy from his stated approach to social media and character.

I’m patient with the reshaping of the program. The only thing that would turn me would be continually looking the other way on character issues.

Certainly others have opinions, but I think a corner will turn.

 

[newAD]

We competed with them last year in their stadium.

1. They had all sorts of distractions with Meyer going on that year.

2. Nebraska was 2-6 coming into the game, so their motivation level going into the game was in question.

3. We had a better OL last year, (and last year’s OL wasn’t very good!!!

4. We had the program’s all time leading receiver for that game last year. Oh, and he wasn’t good enough to make an NFL roster this year. Does that say something about our talent the last few years?

5. We had our first 1000 yard rusher since 2014 last year, who also didn’t make an NFL roster this year. Another example of our lack of talent the last few years.

6. Last year’s game was a day game, this game was prime time with a Gameday visit.

7. Last year OSU was coming off a loss to Purdue. This year OSU is trying to prove they are better than a #5 ranking.

Last year is completely and totally irrelevant.

 

[Solana Beach Husker]

No solutions? Just a bunch of bitching. Bitches *****. A possible solution would have been to come in with a little less arrogance, keep some of Riley's staff to fight attrition. Named Gebbia starter and let AM have a RS and season a little bit. Recruited super heavily in the juco ranks to build upperclass depth. And used an offense more similar to Riley's to keep some Olineman and help the ones we have adapt. Would we be in a better place had he done the above?

 

[huskerbaseball13]

No solutions? Just a bunch of bitching. Bitches *****. A possible solution would have been to come in with a little less arrogance, keep some of Riley's staff to fight attrition. Named Gebbia starter and let AM have a RS and season a little bit. Recruited super heavily in the juco ranks to build upperclass depth. And used an offense more similar to Riley's to keep some Olineman and help the ones we have adapt. Would we be in a better place had he done the above?

It’s too late for the obvious solution in which it would have been to not bring the entire UCF staff with him.

There is no reality in which we beat OSU. There is also no way they are 38 points better than us in one half.

There is also no way we should have lost to Troy last year, pissed down our pants X2 against Colorado, and the NW debacle.

Like I said in a previous post, even our wins under Frost have been a **** show. If you believe our issues are strictly talented related...fine, I disagree.

 

[Husker4real_rivals373787]

I definitely don't hate Frost and won't even take seriously the idiotic notion that he should be fired, or even on the hot seat - for a long time. If this doesn't work with Frost, I doubt it will ever work again.

That said, I would like him to improve at his job.

 

[jlb321_rivals110621]

Propose a reality where we could compete with OSU?

Look at our current roster...and propose how Frost could have prepared us any better for this beat down. Where are the players at? What scheme would have worked? Can Frosty be expected to bring in better talent than he did in his first 18 months of recruiting? Freshman All-American QB? True Freshman Skill players who can play from day 1? Freshman Center? Our go to guys last night were often 18 or 19 years old...with almost no senior leadership anywhere. We had Mo Barry as the spy on Justin Fields...is that talent or scheme?

We have the same talent now as when, prior to the season, you declared that 7 wins this year would be a “big setback” and 8 would be disappointing.

 

[BeautifulDayintheNeighborhood]

1. They had all sorts of distractions with Meyer going on that year.

2. Nebraska was 2-6 coming into the game, so their motivation level going into the game was in question.

3. We had a better OL last year, (and last year’s OL wasn’t very good!!!

4. We had the program’s all time leading receiver for that game last year. Oh, and he wasn’t good enough to make an NFL roster this year. Does that say something about our talent the last few years?

5. We had our first 1000 yard rusher since 2014 last year, who also didn’t make an NFL roster this year. Another example of our lack of talent the last few years.

6. Last year’s game was a day game, this game was prime time with a Gameday visit.

7. Last year OSU was coming off a loss to Purdue. This year OSU is trying to prove they are better than a #5 ranking.

Last year is completely and totally irrelevant.

Wow.. thank you Dr. Excuse.

 

[newAD]

Wow.. thank you Dr. Excuse.

Funny how people in denial use words like “excuse.”

 

[bshirt73]

Funny how people in denial use words like “excuse.”

Yes, you're right......they just love that word.

 

[HesJustAFriendISwear]

Frost is still Daddy. Just let the ride be what it is, fellas.

Consider this, if in 2 years we are a 9-10 win team that competes for the West, won't this all be worth it? We're 20 years in, we can hold on a little longer. It took Frost 2 years to figure out how to dominate AAC, give him a little longer to figure out how to do the same with the B1G.

 

[artguy68]

Propose a reality where North Carolina can compete with Clemson.

As a Nebraska fan, you can accept being trounced and think it will one day get better. Or you can be angry that we looked more like Toledo while playing OSU in prime time in front of a hugely supportive fan base after hearing that they are getting a $150 million renovation on their facilities. Then again, even Toledo could probably manage more than 10 passing yards in the first half.
In my view, fans have every right to be very, very angry.

• Talent gap is a lame excuse. I can promise you Wisconsin isn't going to lay down to OSU despite their talent gap.
  
• Saying we are a young team is an excuse why we may not win, not an excuse for why we are not competitive.
  
• Saying we are 3-2 and not 0-5 is also specious. We did not get the gimme game last year with Akron, and the rest of the schedule was much tougher than the one we have had this year (Colorado, Troy ended up 10-3, Michigan and Wisconsin were ranked, and Purdue had just trounced a ranked team the week before). I dare say this year's team would definitely not have been 3-2 if they played last year's schedule. It is quite possible that this year's team would also have been 0-5.
• Saying that TO took 20 years to build a championship team is specious as well. While he inherited a top-notch team, he was consistently winning conference championships and maintaining a top-10 program in all but 4 years his 25 year tenure, and he never finished unranked. Saying it took him 20 years implies he muddled around for years with mediocre teams. That is not in the least bit true.

 

[Hoosker Du]

Well let's see...Iowa destroyed Ohio State (55 - 24) two years ago when OSU was ranked #4, and they did it with less talent on paper than we had on the field yesterday. Purdue also blew Ohio State out last year with much less talent on paper then we had on the field last night. I'm sorry, but I'm convinced this is mostly coaching.

 

[bshirt73]

Well let's see...Iowa destroyed Ohio State (55 - 24) two years ago when OSU was ranked #4, and they did it with less talent on paper than we had on the field yesterday. Purdue also blew Ohio State out last year with much less talent on paper then we had on the field last night. I'm sorry, but I'm convinced this is mostly coaching.

Well, geeeesh.......you're picking the few upsets that are almost always there with anybody.

Well.... Purdue last year beat Ohio State but lost to Northwestern, Missouri, Eastern Michigan, Michigan State, Minnesota & Wisconsin. Then got truly cremated by Auburn in the Music City bowl game. I'm sorry, but I'm convinced this is mostly coaching.

The year before Iowa beat Ohio State but lost to Purdue, Wisconsin, Penn State, Northwestern & Michigan State. I'm sorry, but I'm convinced this is mostly coaching.

Lol! In cfb, upsets are "everywhere"......except for a undefeated NC. Not too many of those every year though.......

 

[JohnRossEwing]

I with they would just hire Dabo McFrostborn...

 

[dand84]

We were obviously over matched but I don't buy the notion that the talent discrepancy was that bad.

Thanks man! Best laugh I've had all day and I've been feeling down after Saturday There are exactly 0 players on our team that gets anywhere near their 1st team at any position. That was men against boys. In person and up close, they are bigger, faster, stronger, and more experienced. We are years away from producing lines that can compete at that level.

 

[bshirt73]

Thanks man! Best laugh I've had all day and I've been feeling down after Saturday There are exactly 0 players on our team that gets anywhere near their 1st team at any position. That was men against boys. In person and up close, they are bigger, faster, stronger, and more experienced. We are years away from producing lines that can compete at that level.

Especially with HCSF desperately trying to upgrade our OLine after three years of Smiling Mike's fluff-ball experience. HCSF has his hands full.....

 

[huskerbaseball13]

Especially with HCSF desperately trying to upgrade our OLine after three years of Smiling Mike's fluff-ball experience. HCSF has his hands full.....

Are we also blaming Riley for Nebraska ranking #128 out of 130 in turnovers lost?

 

[bshirt73]

Are we also blaming Riley for Nebraska ranking #128 out of 130 in turnovers lost?

No, that's just another big problem. We've got lots of them.

But the losing Beaver machine really did his thing.....

 

[jlb321_rivals110621]

Are we also blaming Riley for Nebraska ranking #128 out of 130 in turnovers lost?

That was on Solich. We need to be careful about blaming everything on Riley too early as it won’t give Frost enough rope. The next few years are Solichs fault, then Callahan, then Pelini. We need to keep Riley in reserve so that the teams performance isn’t the result of the current staffs until well beyond a decade.

Patience

 

[bshirt73]

That was on Solich. We need to be careful about blaming everything on Riley too early as it won’t give Frost enough rope. The next few years are Solichs fault, then Callahan, then Pelini. We need to keep Riley in reserve so that the teams performance isn’t the result of the current staffs until well beyond a decade.

Patience

 

[Ewooc]

Propose a reality where we could compete with OSU?

Look at our current roster...and propose how Frost could have prepared us any better for this beat down. Where are the players at? What scheme would have worked? Can Frosty be expected to bring in better talent than he did in his first 18 months of recruiting? Freshman All-American QB? True Freshman Skill players who can play from day 1? Freshman Center? Our go to guys last night were often 18 or 19 years old...with almost no senior leadership anywhere. We had Mo Barry as the spy on Justin Fields...is that talent or scheme?

Go look at Colorado roster, they are younger than we are over all. With a year 1 HC and WAY less talent. Yet they are looking better than us right now.
I do agree that OSU is a very very good team and I could see them destroying just about everyone they play this year.

 

[JohnRossEwing]

Are we also blaming Riley for Nebraska ranking #128 out of 130 in turnovers lost?

I am fine with blaming Riley for everything and anything.

 

[Lincoln100]

Just depends on a lot of things, if fields gets hurt I think osu is just mediocre on offense very susceptible imo. First of all I didn’t see the team quit They we’re just flat out overmatched. Now Riley’s team would have folded in the second quarter and bo remember him getting boat raced by average teams not elite ones, if he’d have been coaching the camera would have been on him most of the night waiting for one of his temper tantrums

Awesome, getting to compare this beatdown with those of Riley and BP. That is comforting.

 

[Lincoln100]

Thanks man! Best laugh I've had all day and I've been feeling down after Saturday There are exactly 0 players on our team that gets anywhere near their 1st team at any position. That was men against boys. In person and up close, they are bigger, faster, stronger, and more experienced. We are years away from producing lines that can compete at that level.

No way this is true. Didn't you see all of those "bar-bending" vids that were being posted? How many guys on our team this summer were squatting over 650 pounds, like 30? We kept hearing all off season about the incredible strength and conditioning.

There is zero doubt they are more athletic, but what happened on Saturday was humiliating. NU has quite a few talented, strong, good football players. There really isn't any excuse for that performance on Saturday. Having your players ready to go, both mentally and physically, is on the coaches. Those guys were beat before ever stepping on the field, and that ain't on the players, not a beating like that.

 

[Huskred01]

That was on Solich. We need to be careful about blaming everything on Riley too early as it won’t give Frost enough rope. The next few years are Solichs fault, then Callahan, then Pelini. We need to keep Riley in reserve so that the teams performance isn’t the result of the current staffs until well beyond a decade.

Patience

Lol!