Despite all the other stuff the poor 3 point defense it was again foul shots that did us in and this will cost us time and again in close games as we cannot shoot foul shots; We were 13-18 and we missed the front end of two one and ones so that's essentially 13-20; Not going to cut it and Myles didn'teven go to the foul line last night
Foul Shots Again
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Unless you actually think that our shooters are fundamentally worse on the front ends of 1-1s for a reason that is not due to simple variance.
You are correct in the stats but his point is if you miss the first of a one and one, its as if you missed twice as you've lost that opportunity to score 2.
Do you ever stop complaining? How about an apology for your BS thread about Mulcahy?
we didnt lose because of foul shooting last night...bad take
No apology necessary I said he is going to be a very good player and he is not ready yet he had 1 good half and shot the ball which was great to see but he passed up a wide open 3 on perhaps the biggest possession of the game and if you watch closely he is just getting beat numerous times on defense; the problem going forward is he is going to be our point guard and he cannot guard many of the opposing point guards. He is going to really have to work on his lateral speed; Just rewatch the Northwestern game his guy scored 8 points in about 2 minutes and the same thing last night
I understand, but missing the front end of a 1-1 isn't "worse" free throw shooting than missing any other free throw, it's just luck which specific ones you make or miss.
Lol if he misses that shot you would have had a thread bashing him before the ball hit the ground!
Not at all it was an open shot and many of our other guys missed plenty of open shots so there would have been no bashing!! Keep an eye on the girls lacrosse team new coach so far so good!!!
Losing the opportunity to attempt the second FT makes missing the front end of a 1-1 more impactful. End up with 0 points out of a possible 2. You're a numbers guy. You should understand the concept
Here are our rankings by year since 2016. There's only 353 teams in D1 so we're consistently bottom 10 percentile.
2016/17: 347
2017/18: 336
2018/19: 341
2019/20: 329
For this year the national average is 70.6% and we're 298/461 on free throws this year. If I know how to do math then we should be 325/461 if we were just average. So we're leaving a little bit more than 1 point per game on the table due to awful free throw shooting compared to the average team.
Not sure how much 1 more expected point impacts win probability but I suspect it adds up over the course of the season since we're missing out on that point every single game. And that's just if we were average. If we were good at free throws and shot in the mid 70s that would probably be an extra 2 points per game compared to where we are now.
2016/17: 347
2017/18: 336
2018/19: 341
2019/20: 329
For this year the national average is 70.6% and we're 298/461 on free throws this year. If I know how to do math then we should be 325/461 if we were just average. So we're leaving a little bit more than 1 point per game on the table due to awful free throw shooting compared to the average team.
Not sure how much 1 more expected point impacts win probability but I suspect it adds up over the course of the season since we're missing out on that point every single game. And that's just if we were average. If we were good at free throws and shot in the mid 70s that would probably be an extra 2 points per game compared to where we are now.
Missing the front end of a 1 and 1 is worse than the first of a 2 shot foul. Miss the first of a 2 shot foul and you still have a chance to score 1 point. Miss the first of a 1 and 1, and you have bupkis (sp?)
Stats can be manipulated to support however you want to slant it. Myles has missed 44 foul shots this year. Does this mean the rest of the team are above average foul shooters?
Like BAC said, foul shooting was not anywhere in the top 10 reasons ,why we lost last night . Maybe Ohio State going 18-21 had more to do with their winning and preventing us from completing the comeback. Akwasi hit all of his, Montez hit his, Geo hit his , Ron missed the second of his 2, Jacob missed the first of his 3, and Paul missed the front end. Shaq who is usually a decent foul shooter missed 2 early in the first half that could have cut into their lead from 9 down to 7. But 13-18 is a decent night for our team , but our foul shots missed played almost no role in the game last night. I agree with BAC , bad take, among many you are coming up with lately. Hope to see you post on the board on Saturday after we beat Illinois and come up with something good to say.
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I specifically said I understood the concept. OP is using the number as some sort of predictor of future games, i.e.
If this one game was the ONLY game you had to go on, which number would you think was a better predictor of our future free throw shooting:
(a) 13/18 ?
(b) 13/20 ?
No, that's really not his point at all. You're arguing different things. Both are right. His point is missed FTs hurt us and missing front ends hurt more. I don't think we lost last night bc of it but we obviously are capable of losing a game bc of poor FT shooting. No one is counting a lost FT attempt to predict future FT shooting success but it needs to be considered in the impact of the game being discussed
Maybe more importantly is the fact that we lost a point by missing the first shot. The second attempt is a bonus, but our opponents seem to hit both. Certainly can't depend on our centers to convert, but except for Young hardly anyone else tries to go to the rim when it looks like the driving lane is open. We don't have slashers.
it was a two. He was straddling the lines.
His ON BALL D does need work just like every darn player on this team needs to fix something. ok.
BTW.. what BBall rule says the guy bring up the ball for you has to guard the other team's point guard?
And it was the first half D, the fouls on our bigs, and the rebounds that cost us the game. We've won plenty with this poor foul shooting. We don't playing that badly on D or geting out rebounded (again).
I've seen a bunch of references to that Mulcahy 3. He could have took a 3 if he was intending to as he got to the line but was looking to pass. Once he picked up his dribble it wouldn't have been a 3 if he shot it so at that point it wasn't a bad decision to not take a 2 with your foot on the line. It could actually be considered a heady high IQ play