For the Reb lurkers...

[Drebin]

In an era where Sugar Bowls are "the new normal"....

At the end of a season that saw you ranked in the top 25 for a good chunk of it...

At the end of the greatest three year stretch since integration...

After beating Alabama two out of the last three years...

At the most beautiful campus in America (allegedly)...

Under the best head football coach since Johnny Vaught....


The best you can do for coordinators is Longo and McGriff?

 

[ShrubDog]

They be diamonds in the rough...man

Grinding to a new level

 

[Willow Grove Dawg]

but, but, but, THE GROVE

 

[JungRebel]

I don't think anyone is all that excited about Longo, but I'm not convinced McGriff is some **** hire. If he can get some linebackers in here we'll have a pretty good base to work with, and I assume we'll be scrapping the 4-2-5.

And any OM/MSU fan who sees their program max out and doesn't expect regression to the mean hasn't been paying attention, for my lifetime at least, to how college football works in this state.

 

[Dawgzilla]

I have a lot of respect for anyone who coached at Slippery Rock.**

 

[Drebin]

I don't think anyone is all that excited about Longo, but I'm not convinced McGriff is some **** hire. If he can get some linebackers in here we'll have a pretty good base to work with, and I assume we'll be scrapping the 4-2-5.

And any OM/MSU fan who sees their program max out and doesn't expect regression to the mean hasn't been paying attention, for my lifetime at least, to how college football works in this state.

A couple of things:

First, I know you're one of the good rebels, so don't take it personally.

Secondly, McGriff is a settle hire. He's been a career position coach. He may work out, but for an SEC program who has been competitive, it's a pretty big disappointment.

Thirdly, there's regression to the mean, and then there's bottoming out. This year, I would say that State regressed to the mean. With the NCAA cloud and sanctions looming, you now have staff turnover and difficulty finding replacements, and your program isn't attractive to recruits. State fans have been there...this is the beginning of at least five years of despair for your football program.

 

[ShrubDog]

The current situation at OM is a great example of pure regression. After the NCAA fun bag is thrown on the table new tags will be applied.

Freeze, Longo and McCriff make up the worst staff in the SEC. We have seen how much talent has been wasted up there and its not going to get any worse because there will be no talent to waste anymore.

 

[JungRebel]

You may be right. I think it really depends on what happens with the NCAA.

 

[BiscuitEater]

And any OM/MSU fan who sees their program max out and doesn't expect regression to the mean hasn't been paying attention, for my lifetime at least, to how college football works in this state.

The Longo offense I saw last week was totally, one dimensional. When the passes weren't working, they passed anyway. Jury is out.

In his 26 years of coaching (mostly DBs) .. McGriff has never been in charge of a scheming a defense. He left after one year on Freeze's first staff .. after only one year and after spending one year at Vandy. Jury is out.

Stats .. In the five years 'before' Freeze arrived at OM, the 'win total' each year for OM & State varied 4 or more games EVERY year.

Croom	8	2007	3	Orgeron		5
Croom	4	2008	9	Nutt		-5
Mullen	5	2009	9	Nutt		-4
Mullen	9	2010	4	Nutt		5
Mullen	7	2011	2	Nutt		5

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Since Freeze arrived at OM, the 'win total' for OM & State have not varied by > than 1 game each year (including this year). Both coaches have won 39 games with Mullen having the opportunity to win 40 with a bowl win.

Mullen	8	2012	7	Freeze		1
Mullen	7	2013	8	Freeze		-1
Mullen	10	2014	9	Freeze		1
Mullen	9	2015	10	Freeze		-1
Mullen	5	2016	5	Freeze		0
	39		39

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[JungRebel]

I should've been a bit more precise: Don't expect Ole Miss or MSU to win 9 or more games 3 years in a row unless the landscape of college football drastically changes, locally or nationally.

 

[ShrubDog]

It is drastically changing locally, I think...

 

[Arloguthrie]

Freeze told Longo to keep it vanilla.

The Longo offense I saw last week was totally, one dimensional. When the passes weren't working, they passed anyway. Jury is out.

Didn't want other elite programs trying to hire him, see, and plus we don't want to give away the many innovative and exciting features of our new offense, such as running the ball effectively. Man just you wait til Longo opens up the playbook next year. Minds will be blown.

 

[Drebin]

Didn't want other elite programs trying to hire him, see, and plus we don't want to give away the many innovative and exciting features of our new offense, such as running the ball effectively. Man just you wait til Longo opens up the playbook next year. Minds will be blown.

I like this.

 

[aTotal360]

Big time hires, fellas. Glad to see Freeze had the nutz to clean house. A 5 win season will NOT be tolerated under Hugh's watch.

Am I doing this right?

 

[MaroonNation]

I have to ask about your user name. Do you live in Rankin County?

 

[ShrubDog]

Didn't want other elite programs trying to hire him, see, and plus we don't want to give away the many innovative and exciting features of our new offense, such as running the ball effectively. Man just you wait til Longo opens up the playbook next year. Minds will be blown.

Yea once he opens up the playbook and unveils his 26 plays heads will shrink.

 

[patdog]

I think I agree with you Reb. Don't know much about either coach, but it looks like McGriff's secondaries have been consistently good. As for Longo, I know he put up pinball like numbers at Sam Houston, but I don't think his offense is going to translate well into the SEC.

 

[AnesthesiaDawg]

Does this mean their offense will no longer consist primarily of bubble screens? Or is that one of the 26 plays?

 

[Big Sheep81]

Can you change that to a pie graph?**

 

[Willow Grove Dawg]

yes - I just never have deviated from that username since I signed up for my first MSU message board in the 90's

 

[bulldognation]

Oh drastic changes are about to head your way.

 

[MaroonNation]

yes - I just never have deviated from that username since I signed up for my first MSU message board in the 90's

Haha. Going by your username we may live in same general vicinity.

 

[tired]

Haha. Going by your username we may live in same general vicinity.

Stalker alert**

 

[diggidydog]

You sound too rational to be a rebel...I bet you were lonely during your time in Oxford or got in a lot of fights with douchebags.