Fools - Two Year Contracts and Agreements

[philstat]

Man, do we have some ignorant SOBs on this board, I recall several times throughout this season posters on here stating Lowe, JQ etc., were on two year contracts-agreements, I would laugh as soon as I saw them, fantasy world at its finest. There’s no such thing, at least 50% or more of CBB players will enter the portal this year across the NCAA. It was almost like it was a flex for Pope and his managerial prowess, comical.

 

[*Fox2Monk*]

Man, do we have some ignorant SOBs on this board, I recall several times throughout this season posters on here stating Lowe, JQ etc., were on two year contracts-agreements, I would laugh as soon as I saw them, fantasy world at its finest. There’s no such thing, at least 50% or more of CBB players will enter the portal this year across the NCAA. It was almost like it was a flex for Pope and his managerial prowess, comical.

They may have some clause in it that states either side can opt out after a year. Maybe they also can adjust the value of the agreement for year two or stated in it that they get a certain amount if they stay two years. If they want to accept it after year one. I remember when that one guard signed with Miami in one of the first NIL deals that was huge 800k and a car for two years. Absolutely a steal these days and he got them to a final 4 his first year.

 

[philstat]

They may have some clause in it that states either side can opt out after a year. Maybe they also can adjust the value of the agreement for year two or stated in it that they get a certain amount if they stay two years. If they want to accept it after year one. I remember when that one guard signed with Miami in one of the first NIL deals that was huge 800k and a car for two years. Absolutely a steal these days and he got them to a final 4 his first year.

Possibly, though you don’t hear any other programs referencing such agreements, especially considering anyone and everyone in CBB are going into the portal.

 

[Johnnie Africa]

The top 5 Michigan freshman quarterback that Ellison paid for was signed to a two year NIL deal last year.

 

[UKBB4Ever]

There’s no such thing

 

[bigblueinsanity (the real)]

Even if they did, there is zero way Pope would litigate to enforce it. Honestly he shouldn't anyway because we're not losing anyone we'd want to keep, which prompts the question of why did we have them at all.

 

[PastorofMuppets82]

Google exists people... You don't have to be a basketball insider to know that not only do 2 year (and multi-year beyond 2) NIL deals exist, roughly 10% of D-1 athletes signed multi-year NIL deals. Clauses and buyouts exist on both sides to terminate the 2nd year. Some athletic departments do not allow multi year deals. Most deals are structured with a lower first year total amount with a higher second year amount. Garrison was on a 2 year deal.

 

[JPFisher]

I've got a buddy at work who has a direct line to Pope and other major coaches. Been at a handful of practices each season. Told me the multi-year contract thing is true for a few guys. Dunno who, but yes, there were very likely multi-year contracts with clauses for improved or lackluster play affecting dollars.

 

[philstat]

The top 5 Michigan freshman quarterback that Ellison paid for was signed to a two year NIL deal last year.

That's CFB, where players typically have to play multiple seasons before getting a sniff at the NFL, CBB is an entirely different animal.

 

[philstat]

I've got a buddy at work who has a direct line to Pope and other major coaches. Been at a handful of practices each season. Told me the multi-year contract thing is true for a few guys. Dunno who, but yes, there were very likely multi-year contracts with clauses for improved or lackluster play affecting dollars.

hmmm, interesting, doesn't appear to be working out well, IMO

 

[Johnnie Africa]

That's CFB, where players typically have to play multiple seasons before getting a sniff at the NFL, CBB is an entirely different animal.

I mean you’re the one that said there’s no such thing, not me

 

[Rainmaker]

Literally no one ever said JQ or Lowe were on 2 year NIL deals, several of the other remaining players were and the above poster is correct in stating there are clauses that can allow either party out of the deal.

 

[Gobigblue812812]

hmmm, interesting, doesn't appear to be working out well, IMO

So they do or don't exist?

 

[philstat]

Literally no one ever said JQ or Lowe were on 2 year NIL deals, several of the other remaining players were and the above poster is correct in stating there are clauses that can allow either party out of the deal.

There were multiple posts throughout this season on this forum on posters claiming these facts.

 

[philstat]

So they do or don't exist?

Who knows at this point, though if so, hasn't really panned out for us, since 80% of the roster will be gone after this season.

 

[Blue till I die]

Lowe was a 2 year deal. He got hurt and I'm sure Pope reevaluated and told him he would have to recruit over him next year

JQ was never a 2 year deal, he was always going to the NBA on 2026 draft if healthy

 

[philstat]

Google exists people... You don't have to be a basketball insider to know that not only do 2 year (and multi-year beyond 2) NIL deals exist, roughly 10% of D-1 athletes signed multi-year NIL deals. Clauses and buyouts exist on both sides to terminate the 2nd year. Some athletic departments do not allow multi year deals. Most deals are structured with a lower first year total amount with a higher second year amount. Garrison was on a 2 year deal.

Believe that's much more popular for CFB vice CBB

 

[Gobigblue812812]

• Multi-Year Value: NIL deals are increasingly structured to cover multiple seasons to prevent players from transferring or entering the NBA/G-League.
• Retention Focus: Collectives are using 2-year guaranteed deals to retain key players, ensuring top talent remains in college, notes On3.

 

[Gobigblue812812]

Might want to take the "Fools" out of your title. At this point in the thread, it kinda makes you look foolish.

 

[SenseMaker_Cats]

Google exists people... You don't have to be a basketball insider to know that not only do 2 year (and multi-year beyond 2) NIL deals exist, roughly 10% of D-1 athletes signed multi-year NIL deals. Clauses and buyouts exist on both sides to terminate the 2nd year. Some athletic departments do not allow multi year deals. Most deals are structured with a lower first year total amount with a higher second year amount. Garrison was on a 2 year deal.

I love how confident he is with his ignorance. He does this on purpose. He’s not a serious poster. He makes these stupid comments just to give himself a chance to rapid fire his negative responses. He’s actually been called out on this very statement before. He’s a joke.

 

[JPFisher]

hmmm, interesting, doesn't appear to be working out well, IMO

 

[PastorofMuppets82]

Believe that's much more popular for CFB vice CBB

It is more prevalent in CFB than CBB, however, a recruiting technique to land upper level freshmen (read that as just outside of the one and done cream of the crop) in CBB and high level transfers in the portal is to offer promised 2 year deals. That means the third party sponsor companies are promising to pay a certain amount for multiple years if you stay with the program. It's an easy way for a player to insulate themselves without worrying about their stock dropping if they have a bad year. And clauses exist so they can get out of it and go elsewhere if their stock greatly improves. It's rarer, but happens a lot still in CBB.

 

[gbl97]

Literally no one ever said JQ or Lowe were on 2 year NIL deals, several of the other remaining players were and the above poster is correct in stating there are clauses that can allow either party out of the deal.

How does a party get out of the deal? It seems like if either one can walk away, it's not much of a contract.

 

[Beatle Bum]

A collective bargaining agreement would help multi year deals. For that, the NCAA would have to acquiesce to employee players and not contract players. I think selling a kid on a multi year deal that protected the school should the kid have an injury that kept them off the floor for a year would be tough. Maybe build in insurance contracts? With a cap, how dos the school pay for a kid to sit with an injury for a year? UK did it last year without a cap. With a cap, that player is a burden you cannot afford.

 

[wildcatknh]

A collective bargaining agreement would help multi year deals. For that, the NCAA would have to acquiesce to employee players and not contract players. I think selling a kid on a multi year deal that protected the school should the kid have an injury that kept them off the floor for a year would be tough. Maybe build in insurance contracts? With a cap, how dos the school pay for a kid to sit with an injury for a year? UK did it last year without a cap. With a cap, that player is a burden you cannot afford.

We're talking NIL here, right? There's no cap on NIL. The only cap is on rev-share distributions.

 

[BlueWorldOrder74]

According to a gentleman I know, who happens to be a substantial booster for decades, JL was on a two year plan with NIL. I don’t know how it works, or the specifics, but mid way through the season he told me that and he said he’d be super pissed if he was allowed to return. He didn’t give me details on the workings or money, but he didn’t like JL from the get go and he’s been pretty adamant that Mark ****** things up royally. He also said the $22M wasn’t legit, and a large chunk of the money they talk about never went to player NIL, and he was pissed about that too. He said it was used to do other things that many boosters didn’t like.

He could be full of ****, but I see him sitting behind the bench every home game and some away games, he’s right there. And his office is full of some pretty unique and personal memorabilia. And seeing the pics of him with every coach and many many players dating back to Hall, he seems legit. Oh, and I went to his office before Popes first season and Oscar was just chilling at his desk. He knows some stuff.

 

[UKFootball78]

There were multiple posts throughout this season on this forum on posters claiming these facts.

I never saw that mentioned for either of those 2,but did for others. Could be true,just never saw it myself

 

[*Fox2Monk*]

Possibly, though you don’t hear any other programs referencing such agreements, especially considering anyone and everyone in CBB are going into the portal.

I’ve heard of a few athletes singing for multiple years. It’s more common in Football. A lot of top QB’s are being signed to like 12M deals where they get $4 million a year over three seasons. That locks down a starting QB a program can build around. They have enforced the deals too.

 

[*Fox2Monk*]

Google exists people... You don't have to be a basketball insider to know that not only do 2 year (and multi-year beyond 2) NIL deals exist, roughly 10% of D-1 athletes signed multi-year NIL deals. Clauses and buyouts exist on both sides to terminate the 2nd year. Some athletic departments do not allow multi year deals. Most deals are structured with a lower first year total amount with a higher second year amount. Garrison was on a 2 year deal.

Exactly, this isn’t hidden knowledge.

 

[*Fox2Monk*]

So they do or don't exist?

They exist

 

[*Fox2Monk*]

How does a party get out of the deal? It seems like if either one can walk away, it's not much of a contract.

It’s just an option year like a professional contract. The team can exercise it and a player can opt into it.

 

[*Fox2Monk*]

According to a gentleman I know, who happens to be a substantial booster for decades, JL was on a two year plan with NIL. I don’t know how it works, or the specifics, but mid way through the season he told me that and he said he’d be super pissed if he was allowed to return. He didn’t give me details on the workings or money, but he didn’t like JL from the get go and he’s been pretty adamant that Mark ****** things up royally. He also said the $22M wasn’t legit, and a large chunk of the money they talk about never went to player NIL, and he was pissed about that too. He said it was used to do other things that many boosters didn’t like.

He could be full of ****, but I see him sitting behind the bench every home game and some away games, he’s right there. And his office is full of some pretty unique and personal memorabilia. And seeing the pics of him with every coach and many many players dating back to Hall, he seems legit. Oh, and I went to his office before Popes first season and Oscar was just chilling at his desk. He knows some stuff.

Wonder what they did with the money?