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<blockquote data-quote="WiiWii" data-source="post: 129384851" data-attributes="member: 1347767">Well, Vernon, you are certainly in a bad mood since Saturday.&nbsp; I can understand that.&nbsp; Since you keep bringing up how recruiting is so much better, I thought that I would run some numbers.&nbsp; This is all based upon the Rivals recruit ratings and we all know that these have lots of flaws, but it is the best that we have right now and, I think over time, the errors wash themselves out and this is a valid analysis.&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; wVu&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Big East2002:&nbsp; 2.3&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 1.722003:&nbsp; 2.52&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 1.992004:&nbsp; 2.38&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 1.682005:&nbsp; 2.48&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 1.842006:&nbsp; 2.63&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 1.94 2007:&nbsp; 2.96&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 2.052008:&nbsp; 2.52&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 1.98______________________________________Joined Big 12&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; wVu&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; B122009:&nbsp; 3.08&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 3.002010:&nbsp; 3.15&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 3.162011:&nbsp; 2.95&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 3.092012:&nbsp; 2.93&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 3.052013:&nbsp; 2.96&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 2.952014:&nbsp; 2.95&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 2.862015:&nbsp; 3.1&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 2.91Average 2005 - 2008:&nbsp; 2.65Average since 2009:&nbsp; 3.02 (did not count 2016 because the class is not complete yet)So, yes, our recruiting has improved...marginally.&nbsp; A 14% improvement to be precise.HOWEVER, now lets look at how we compared to our conference mates in both of these periods:From 2002 - 2008:&nbsp; We averaged 2.54 compared to an average of 1.88.&nbsp; So we averaged 35% better star ratings than the other teams in the Big East conference.From 2009 - 2015:&nbsp; We averaged 3.02 compared to an average of 3.00.&nbsp; So we averaged 0% better star ratings than the other teams in the Big 12 conference.&nbsp; In fact, we are very close to the average for the conference.So, Vernon, to use your own logic, we had significantly better than average &quot;Big East&quot; players when we played in the Big East and, now that we are in the Big 12, although it appears true that our recruiting has improved some, our players are essentially average as compared to the players on the other teams in the Big 12 conference.So, no, it is NOT all coaching....I wish it were not true, btw, because coaching is easier to fix.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="WiiWii, post: 129384851, member: 1347767"] Well, Vernon, you are certainly in a bad mood since Saturday. I can understand that. Since you keep bringing up how recruiting is so much better, I thought that I would run some numbers. This is all based upon the Rivals recruit ratings and we all know that these have lots of flaws, but it is the best that we have right now and, I think over time, the errors wash themselves out and this is a valid analysis. wVu Big East 2002: 2.3 1.72 2003: 2.52 1.99 2004: 2.38 1.68 2005: 2.48 1.84 2006: 2.63 1.94 2007: 2.96 2.05 2008: 2.52 1.98 ______________________________________Joined Big 12 wVu B12 2009: 3.08 3.00 2010: 3.15 3.16 2011: 2.95 3.09 2012: 2.93 3.05 2013: 2.96 2.95 2014: 2.95 2.86 2015: 3.1 2.91 Average 2005 - 2008: 2.65 Average since 2009: 3.02 (did not count 2016 because the class is not complete yet) So, yes, our recruiting has improved...marginally. A 14% improvement to be precise. HOWEVER, now lets look at how we compared to our conference mates in both of these periods: From 2002 - 2008: We averaged 2.54 compared to an average of 1.88. [B]So we averaged 35% better star ratings than the other teams in the Big East conference.[/B] From 2009 - 2015: We averaged 3.02 compared to an average of 3.00. [B]So we averaged 0% better star ratings than the other teams in the Big 12 conference.[/B] In fact, we are very close to the average for the conference. So, Vernon, to use your own logic, we had significantly better than average "Big East" players when we played in the Big East and, now that we are in the Big 12, although it appears true that our recruiting has improved some, our players are essentially average as compared to the players on the other teams in the Big 12 conference. So, no, it is NOT all coaching....I wish it were not true, btw, because coaching is easier to fix. [/QUOTE]

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